Why don't low birth-rate countries make immigration to their country easier?

jeena , 6 days ago

Countries like Korea don't have a cultire of welcoming people from outside and therefor you would have so many clashes that a huge number of imigrants - which is needed - would destroy the country. There is no one here who knows how to treat and integrate those immigrants. There are no programs for them, etc. and even if you know the language you still have huge culture clashes.

june , 6 days ago

A lot of eastern Asian countries are extremely xenophobic in other words.

QuarterSwede , 6 days ago

I think there’s a difference between being prejudice towards an outside group and not wanting your own culture replaced.

There is nothing inherently wrong with countries and their cultures not wanting to have others integrate. In the past this is what helped them survive.

It’s only a big issue in countries like the US that want to be a mixing bowl/melting pot and also are being xenophobic.

june , 6 days ago

Do you understand the difference between integration and immigration?

Yes there is something wrong with not wanting to allow people from other cultures to integrate into your own.

QuarterSwede , 6 days ago

We definitely disagree.

june , 6 days ago

Because you are xenophobic yourself, yes.

QuarterSwede , 6 days ago

That’s a weak argument. Just because I bring up another point of view doesn’t mean I subscribe to the view mentioned, which I don’t.

If a country doesn’t want to allow immigration then that’s perfectly moral. It may eventually kill their culture off in the long run but it’s not xenophobic by definition.

If a country does allow immigration and then is prejudice towards a group coming in then absolutely that’s xenophobic.

june , 6 days ago (edited 5 days ago)

Backtrack if you want, but what you said was xenophobic by definition and I’m not going to bother arguing semantics.

Edit: I like how you completely changed your comment after I replied. Very cool

jeena , 6 days ago

I mean to some degree yes, but as I said they are absolutely not prepared for it and have no one who could do the work of preparation of integration of migrants.

card797 , 6 days ago

You have to feed and house the people. The people currently living in those countries may have a shortage of housing already.

I think the “baby boom” from years past has shown that there are too many people around. It’s too costly to raise their own kids. People are xenophobic and don’t want many immigrants changing their cultures.

bradorsomething , 6 days ago

The issue becomes caring for the boom population and maintaining a stable economy at the same time. Immigration is a natural support to the pressure of worker shortages, and countries that don’t accept this will learn long, hard lessons in capitalism, and pay a premium for end of life care to compete with other jobs in demand that are much more desirable.

lorty , 6 days ago

Xenophobia propped up by political groups. Many official immigration programs existed in the 19th century that, when allowed to, had immigrants integrated into society.

fubarx , 6 days ago

I talked to Japanese colleagues about this a lot. The issue isn’t just plain old xenophobia. In a lot of cultures, when someone gets married, there are considerations about marrying ‘the right kind’ for the family. As silly as that might sound to U.S. ‘melting pot’ ears, these could be tribal, economic, linguistic, geographic, class, education, age, gender, and yes, race.

In traditional settings, the elders have to bless that marriage, welcome the person, and ideally have the families mesh together and be on the same page.

Inviting foreigners with vastly different backgrounds on almost all those axes, it’s a pretty tall order to ask everyone to change those attitudes. And saying one family should close their eyes and do it for the sake of the country while their neighbors hold out for a ‘suitable’ match is going to be tough. The demographic ‘time bomb’ has been a known issue since the 80s and people are still resistant to change.

At some point, though, realities catch up.

My bet would be it would take a generational turnover and a few years of popular sitcoms normalizing it.

Alexstarfire , 6 days ago

So, indirect xenophobia. That’s much better.

cucumber_sandwich , 6 days ago

Call it cultural inertia if you prefer.

callouscomic , 6 days ago

It’s bigotry. Whether it be racism, or classism, or political, or religious, or whatever. People have endless reasons for wanting to consider others as outsiders or lesser or different.

possiblylinux127 , 6 days ago

This is a gigantic can of worms that will cause arguments.

bifurtyper , 6 days ago

Similar to high turnover rate at major corporations is the justified fear that the current residents will be abandoned by their own government in an attempt to drive economic incentives

Unless the system is built correctly, you could accidentally drive people away because you didn’t build with your citizens best interests in consideration

For example Japan and South Korean (my heritage) has this exact problem still at large as they encourage people to have children yet systems like high working hours in combination with low wages means that people just can’t afford to have children

snooggums , 6 days ago

Fear of being outnumbered by immigrants (“they shall not replace us” bullshit) is a big one.

atro_city OP , 6 days ago

"We cannot be outnumbered by immigrants!" die out because their own population won't make babies

LarryTheMatador , 6 days ago

Their bigots will throw a tantrum

Phegan , 6 days ago

Xenophobia

givesomefucks , 6 days ago

Wouldn’t they benefit from more people?

The wealthy win when there’s more workers than work.

Historically the greatest gains in workers rights and the times we make the most gains against wealth inequality is when there isn’t a surplus of workers.