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possiblylinux127 ,

This is a gigantic can of worms that will cause arguments.

LarryTheMatador ,

Their bigots will throw a tantrum

Vivendi ,

Just add a “… Are they stupid?” To the end of the title, and repost in a shit posting community

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Why would you voluntarily create a job scarcity in your own population? Immigration reduces wages, increases prices, strains public services and causes overall decrease in Quality of Life.

Just look at the state of the USA with 28% immigrant population.

boonhet ,

Just look at the state of the USA with 28% immigrant population.

Which STILL has the 6th highest GDP per capita (10th if you count tax-haven microstates and overseas territories).

Centuries of mass immigration built the US economy. Y’all are acting like economics is all zero-sum and more people = everyone is poorer, but the amount of jobs doesn’t stay constant as the amount of people increases. The US always had an influx of immigrants to fuel the ever-growing economic machine.

There’s plenty of reasons why a lot of people in the US can’t afford to live in cities, etc. None of it is because of immigration, it’s mostly corporate greed and stupid zoning laws.

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This still won’t apply to most low birth-rate countries like Korea and Japan, where the population densite and job scarcity is already too high.

Fedizen ,

techically the US is like 99% immigrants

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Same for most other American countries

I_Clean_Here ,

The immigrants were not the problem to get the US to the shit state it is in.

That is like saying there is an inverse correlation between the decline in sea-faring pirates and the rising global temperature. Duh.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Immigration reduces wages, increases prices, strains public services and causes overall decrease in Quality of Life.

So, you’re telling me that immigration is super profitable? Because that’s a recipe for profits

people_are_cute ,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Yes. It is profitable for big corporations. Is this news to you?

Siegfried ,

Oh boy, you need so much stellaris /s

parpol ,

Why should they? How about we just accept that a shrinking population is the best way to keep the earth sustainable?

Japan sure doesn’t have enough land to sustain everyone without global trade. When that global trade ends in a few years due to global food shortage, Japan is cooked. Better to reduce the population as much as possible until then.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Really into forcing your ideas onto others

parpol ,

Point out where in my message I am forcing my ideas onto others.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Your previous comment. I am sorry that wasn’t clear. Let me know if you need assistance on any other issues.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

The low birth rates are a concern because they need the bodies to generate revenue so they can take care of old people who will lean on government services.

Why should you care about population decline? Fewer people are good for the climate, but the economic consequences are severe. In the 1960s, there were six people of working age for every retired person. Today, the ratio is three-to-one. By 2035, it will be two-to-one.

Some say we must learn to curb our obsession with growth, to become less consumer-obsessed, to learn to manage with a smaller population. That sounds very attractive. But who will buy the stuff you sell? Who will pay for your healthcare and pension when you get old?

weforum.org/…/birthrates-declining-globally-why-m…

Ok, so what does that have to do with your question…

What age group tends to be the biggest voting bloc, the most xenophobic, the most nationalistic…? Old people. Get those foreign people off my lawn, keep those foreign drug dealers, thieves, and layabouts out of my country.

Then there’s exploitation of foreign labor to undercut wages and work rules of citizens of the country the labor is being imported into.

I’m sure there’s more, but basically it’s a hefty dose of xeonphobia and nationalism along with groups not wanting to literally lose jobs to someone who will do it for a lot less.

JayEchoRay ,
@JayEchoRay@lemmy.world avatar

Tldr:

Having too many cultures that have not established a “market share” in politics makes the, people who run a country, job harder as it has to contend with dealing with the potential of new cultures forming and the inevitable culture clashes that follow as differing values and ideals will demand different things.

It fractures and dilutes points of control which encourages politics to try ensure loyalty though aligning itself with views of the majority.

End tldr

Unironically, Stellaris is probably a decent example of the thought experiment played out. Unless a species is built with ideals of the intergration and/or has its proper foundation set then it can quickly spiral out of hand as you have to deal with " a hunded voices asking for one thing".

It is far easier to control and secure a foundational majority based off of one species as it can be more easily guided towards an established outcome.

Adding too many “outsiders” has the potential to cause an imbalance and a shift in thinking which then requires a new paradigm to “herd the sheep” as it were, while still trying to maintain a standard that the base species has become accustomed to.

If it not carefully controlled, it can potentially lead to a fracturing of opinion and thoughts which is a lot harder to manage and “guide” as one runs the risk of isolating one group and in doing so opening up the potential cascade of problems if the ignored minorities builds up steam which then forces leaders to contend with trying to figure out a way to maintain control over the many species bases while still doing it in a way that causes the least amount of disruption to their control.

PeriodicallyPedantic ,

Because racism

chumbalumber ,

This is a part of the SNP’s manifesto already, FYI.

als ,

God, the comments in this thread are nearly all awful

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