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fsxylo ,

Hmm … Better pigeon hole users into only using the teabag.

“Why can’t I put the label in the water?!”

EmoDuck ,

https://xkcd.com/1172/

leisesprecher ,

Our legacy system always puts the label in the water and our clients rely on the faint cardboard flavor.

over_clox ,

I write graphics software that almost seems intuitive, until you realize I gave it a split personality.

Even I forget about the split personality side of it.

veganpizza69 ,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar 

<span style="color:#323232;">if ( parameters.teaMass <= TEA_BAG_WEIGHT ) { 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">    return "Error: incorrect input. Check if tea bag was inserted correctly into water container."
</span><span style="color:#323232;"> }
</span>
uis ,

#define TEA_BAG_WEIGHT 0

gnutrino , (edited )

And then a user starts adding weights to the label until it passes.

veganpizza69 ,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

unlikely

calabast ,

Smart developer: let’s make the label an 8 inch square so it won’t fit in any mug.

Midnitte ,

User: Folds square in half to fit into mug.

Nikelui ,
@Nikelui@lemmy.world avatar

End user: makes tea in a large pot, to fit the label.

stupidcasey ,

Developer: THATS IT WE’RE A BROWSER BASED APP NOW!

End user: why can’t I run this on my AOL account?

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

end user: well how am i gonna get to the internet without aol?

Sparky ,

Omg that’s gold!

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Huge waste of material on the label.

Since the labels are larger, the boxes for those tea bags will need to be larger too. That incurs in additional waste of material and storage space.

People working in markets selling those tea bags will complain. Now their boxes don’t fit in the aisle alongside boxes with tea bags of other brands.

Customers will find it clunky and convoluted. Some will understand why the dev did it, and get angry - because from their PoV it’ll sound like the dev is saying “I assume that you’re a muppet, unable to distinguish the label from the bag”.

And some will still do like others said: use a larger pot, fold the label, etc. Defeating the purpose of the change.

There are plenty situations where you can be smart. This is not one of them, stick to standards and document it properly. “This is the bag, it goes in. This is the label, it goes out.”

(Not that it changes much for me. I’m still ripping the tea bag apart and mixing the contents with my yerba mate. Unexpected use case!)

RustyNova ,

tea_bag.unwrap()

smeg ,

Just get rid of the label altogether. I’m always suspicious when a teabag has a string on it.

Alexstarfire ,

You aren’t supposed to leave it in the water the whole time.

smeg ,

Not a problem if you’re using a teapot, or for a mug you can use a spoon or just your fingers

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Speaking as a user (I’m not a programmer even if I’m often loafing around here):

Left is not “optimistic” but “assumptive” - blame the dev and the user.
Right is not “pessimistic” but “diligent” - blame the user.

But the worst type doesn’t appear in this pic: they’d put a ball of chicken wire around the label so it’s physically impossible to put it in the hot water.

MajorHavoc ,

I’m not a programmer yet even if I’m often loafing around here

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dch82 ,

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BallsandBayonets ,

Then the users would complain that they can’t fit the tag in their water.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

We’re talking about the worst dev, right? “No, chrust me. I have a vizhun about how the tea bag should be.”

Incidentally it’s the same answer that he’d give to people annoyed who neither need nor want the chicken wire ball.

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.run avatar

I design optics and I've seen a return request because they "couldn't see the target" and included photos to show what they meant. The customer installed it backwards and didn't bother trying the other way.

leftzero ,

If it can be mounted both ways it should work both ways. 🤷‍♂️

refalo ,

https://programming.dev/pictrs/image/d9b54143-adef-4397-b409-e6cbc4d02964.jpeg

amotio ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c30eee05-8824-4f27-80c7-b8b14afe672f.gif

BigFatNips ,

What’s this from?

karthnemesis ,
@karthnemesis@leminal.space avatar

gravity falls

chirospasm ,
@chirospasm@lemmy.ml avatar

If you have access to any kind of UX and UI folks, you automagicallly get a leg up on this, y’all. It is goddamn amazing.

Single dev on a personal project? Go find someone in the community who has an eye for design or hit up a design forum. Work has you on a project with only two other devs and limited resources? Ask for a favor from the UX team down the hall.

We are all tryna make good experiences out here. Let us avoid getting ‘teabagged.’

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Basically you have to hide all choice behind a settings page. Think of a cattle chute that only let’s them go one direction to the bolt gun. Wait…

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

you forgot

end user: this product is defective; the developer should be fired

leftzero ,

A proper engineer would make the tag absorbent and use the principle of capillarity to transfer the water to the bag (and the other way round once tea flavoured) to cover this case.

Users can’t avoid being stupid, but a proper engineer should be able to cover all cases.

Phegan ,

This assumes an infinite timeline and budget.

sukhmel ,

Well, no proper engineer will agree to less than that

CanadaPlus , (edited )

And also the existence of a perfectly insulative, yet durable and long-lasting sheath for the bag and string. I realise it’s just an analogy, and in cyberspace that sort of thing is trivial, but with real matter it’s beyond a pipe dream.

OfCourseNot ,
@OfCourseNot@fedia.io avatar

Or the pg tips approach: 'd'ya know what? No more tag or thread for ya now you've got to fish and pinch the baggy out of your scolding tea ya wanker'.

TheSlad ,

No, that complicates things way too much. Simplicity in design is beauty. A real engineer would recognize the tag on the string not only as a point a confusion, but also a superfluous feature. Simply remove it. The end user will have to use a spoon supplied by themselves to remove the teabag, but thats their problem. At least there is actually tea in the cup at that point.

nullpotential ,
@nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Loose leaf tea is peak design.

TheSlad ,

I disagree. The teabag is a welcome replacement to having to have yet another unitasker in the kitchen.

nexussapphire ,

So you’re saying it should wick the water from the cup to the table like an oil lantern. That seems like a good way to have half of your cup on the table.😂

If you get it to travel up the string, gravity will definitely do the rest. It seems like such a passive aggressive way to design a product and I’m all for it.

itsnotits ,

I’d* better write some documentation

reimufumo OP ,
@reimufumo@lemmy.ca avatar

Using better by itself is fine in informal context, and “had better” is only required for formal contexts. And I don’t think a meme on the internet counts as a formal context.

And also, 🤓☝️

OfCourseNot ,
@OfCourseNot@fedia.io avatar

That'd be a contraction of 'would' in this case, wouldn't it? As an ESL speaker I used to find these grammar 'mistakes' (for lack of a better word) made more difficult for me to parse the sentences. As with code 'written once but read many times' would apply here.

candybrie , (edited )

It would be a contraction of had: “I had better write…” Using would there doesn’t make sense.

OfCourseNot ,
@OfCourseNot@fedia.io avatar

More or less my point, languages are weird with lots of arbitrary idiomatic things—'would rather' but 'had better'.

After posting the comment I've thought 'wait, it makes more sense for it to be should' so my guesses are a bit off today.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

for lack of a better word

Usages of non-standard grammar.

This one poses me (ETL) no problem, but my brain always tilts when the natives mix subject/verb contractions (you’re, it’s, they’re) with the possessives (your, its, their).

OfCourseNot ,
@OfCourseNot@fedia.io avatar

Yeah maybe not even non-standard as much as non-formal in this case.

I wanted to mean 'different from what you learn in English class in school as a kid' so non-formal, non -standard, dialectal, slang, misspellings, same-sounding words...

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

That’s all covered by “non-standard” - because the standard of a language dictates what’s to be taken as informal/vulgar/archaic, dialectal, slang, different words or the same word, etc. And while there are exceptions most of the time when people learn a non-native language they learn the standard, in detriment of other varieties.

(Sorry for nerding out about this, I just love this sort of topic.)

sparkle , (edited )

For a lot of English speakers, the “had” and “have” in contractions is completely omitted in certain contexts. It’s more prevalent in some dialects (I’m in the south US and it’s more common than not). Usually “had” is dropped more than “have”.

Also, English can drop the pronoun, article, and even copula for certain indicative statements. I think it’s specifically for observations, especially when the context is clear.

looking at someone’s bracelet “Cool bracelet.” [That’s a]

wakes up “sigh Gotta get up and go to work…” [I’ve]

“Ain’t no day for picking tomatoes like a Saturday.” [There]

“No war but class war!” [There’s]

“Forecast came in on the radio. Says there’s gonna be a hell of a lot of rain today.” [It said -> Says/Said]

“Can’t count the number of Brits I’ve killed. Guess I’m just allergic to beans on toast.” [I; I]

“House came tumblin’ down after the sinkhole opened up” [The]

“I’d” can be “I would”, mainly if used with a conditional or certain conjunctions/contrastive statements (if, but, however, unfortunately). Also when preceding “have” – e.g. “I’d have done that”. Because “I had have” doesn’t make sense, nor does “I had <present tense>” anything. “I’d” as in “I had” is followed by a past participle.

“I’d” is usually “I had” otherwise, forming the past perfect tense. But in “I’d better”, it’s a bit confusing because “had better” is used in a different sense – the “had” here comes from “have to” (as in “to be necessary to”) and can be treated as both a lexical verb and an auxiliary verb. “had better” is a bit of a leftover of more archaic constructions.

SlopppyEngineer , (edited )

And that’s how an iPhone with an interface that even a toddler can figure out sold a few billion units.

sheogorath ,

At what cost, though? I thought the generations after the millennials would be more tech-literate. But after seeing Gen Zs around me at home and at work, things are just regressing.

KairuByte ,

It was inevitable. We took a mishmash of things that kinda worked together with a patchwork of software and shoved it into a streamlined define with a custom made interface to tie it all together. One of those things pushes the user to learn more, and it’s not the finished and polished product.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Can’t really blame them either, it was our generation that dropped the ball in making sure they were more tech literate than us. Not that I have kids but still.

orangeboats ,

The modern electronic devices are far more railroaded than it was back in the day tho.

Want to download an application? There’s the App Store. No need to download random .exes from sketchy websites (and learn what a “computer virus” is the hard way)

Downloaded a picture? It’s instantly inside your gallery. Back then we needed to find a folder called “Download” or “My Documents” using something called the Explorer!

iPhone and Android made a lot of things dumber and easier to take in, but I feel like it had a detrimental effect on digital literacy.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

A little. Hands on parenting is what they need. I made sure my baby brother is tech literate when my mom is 100 percent not. He just graduated highschool this year. Sure some of the blame is on tech but kids don’t know how to shit in a toilet either and parents make damn sure they learn as quickly as possible.

Revan343 ,

Want to download an application? There’s the App Store. No need to download random .exes from sketchy websites (and learn what a “computer virus” is the hard way)

We’ve had that for years, it used to just be called apt-get. Though I’ll admit a GUI software center is nice when I don’t know exactly what I’m looking for

asyncrosaurus ,

Nah, our generation had to tinker with shit to get it working. Kids these days have it easy, which is good from a user perspective, but fails to train them how any of it actually works at a deeper level.

No one has to install a device driver anymore.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

See my other comment.

Tldr: Parents make sure to teach their kids not to shit on the ground.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

As someone who’s used and uses both for work and isn’t a fanboy of either, sorry but apple does not have an easy to learn interface. It seems like every single choice they made was done to just be different from the alternative, more often than not to the detriment of the user. If they lock people in to how their ecosystem works low tech people can’t easily change.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

If they lock people in to how their ecosystem works low tech people can’t easily change.

Other people can just mimic the iPhone interface. That’s basically what Android did.

The real difficulty of switching to another device from Apple is the multi-year contract that the phone companies try to get you on.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Back in 2012 apple won a UI patent and we know how those megacorps do. No idea to what extent but that sorta stops any big contenders on copying them. The multi year contracts are a meme from the past but it’s the same sort of people who aren’t techliterate enough to learn a new UI, that keep with the contracts.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

The multi year contracts are a meme from the past

I don’t know if I’d can cell phone contacts a meme.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They sorta are, plenty of options for cheap quality untilited phone plans out there even with international included and very few people actually need a state of the art 1k phone to make payments on.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not policing how people should spend their money. All I’m saying is that plans are from the past and don’t need to exist, like faxes.

dubyakay ,

Carrier lockdowns seem to be an US only thing now.

FilthyShrooms ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e630e1ad-1e1c-4b5e-8f95-8a2ba83ce376.jpeg

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Documentation be like:

For (literal string) place for i = T end of and rest unit 4

Kojichan ,
@Kojichan@lemmy.world avatar

An animated clip from the animated series Avatar the Last Air Bender, showing Itoh insulted by the tea that Zuko made by calling it nothing more than hot leaf juice.

Hupf ,
@Hupf@feddit.org avatar

Even worse: It’s only a paper tea.

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