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Help me understand littering

I consider myself to be the kind of person who can quite easily imagine myself in someone else’s place. I don’t know if I’m actually any better at it than the average person, but judging by the comment sections on social media and the conversations I’ve had with other people, I really struggle to get angry at strangers like many others do, even for things that anger is an appropriate reaction to.

This doesn’t necessarily mean that I don’t condemn their behavior, but that it doesn’t provoke a particularly negative emotional reaction from me. I observe the world from a distance, and when I see someone acting differently, I generally can come up with a charitable story about why they act that way. While it doesn’t usually justify the behavior, it at least helps me imagine why they’re like that and reminds me that if I were in their shoes, I’d likely do the same thing.

This applies to cheating, violence, racism… Name a bad behavior, and I can come up with a story about what a person might be telling themselves to justify it. However, littering is something I simply cannot comprehend. I cannot wrap my mind around what a person is thinking when they’re throwing trash on the ground for someone else to pick up. If it’s something “minor” like a cigarette butt, then okay, I can somewhat understand, but tossing your McDonald’s takeout bag onto the side of the road is completely psychopathic behavior to me. I don’t think even the worst people in the world think of themselves as “bad” because they rationalize their behavior somehow. But if you throw trash into nature, you must know you’re being a massive jerk.

Tl;dr: I want to hear the best justification for littering.

autonomoususer , (edited )

Government’s job. Time for them to do some real work for once, rather than wasting the money they steal from us.

Clean it up janny (litterers are job creators), clean it up jan jan!

Obviously, don’t do this on someone’s private property, unless you don’t like them.

intelisense ,

Yeah, that’s the broken window fallacy.

autonomoususer ,

Civil disobedience, peaceful protest

314xel ,
@314xel@lemmy.world avatar

They already have a shitty job, no need to make them clean dog poop, shaworma and ice-cream off the pavement too.

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

There’s no “justification.” It’s laziness first and foremost. It is sometimes influenced by logistics, such as no trash recepticals being available. But that’s still zero excuse, really.

The only time littering might be in any way shape or form understandable, it’d actually probably be called illegal dumping. If you’re so poor you can’t afford trash removal, you might end up resorting to illegal dumping. But again, much different than petty littering.

Thorny_Insight OP ,

no trash recepticals being available

This is somewhat understandable if it’s something dirty like a meat packaging dripping with marinade that you don’t want to put in your bag but it almost never is. It’s a bottle, candy wrappings, juice container, chip bag etc. It was assumeably filled with something when they brought it in but they somehow can’t take it back now that it’s empty and thus lighter and packs into smaller space. This doesn’t make any sense to me.

illi ,

It’s lazyness, most likely combined by the person just not caring about their environment (be it their surroundings, incluidng other people who have to live with the litter around them, or the environment). Most often than not it’s less intelligent people or people who don’t know better (like kids).

jeena ,
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The McDonalds stuff is made out of paper, the rain will dissolve it quickly and then it rotts within weeks and is gone. Bam!

breadsmasher ,
@breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

justifying anything easy for someone who thinks the whole world revolves around them.

“Why did you do <anti social / bad thing>?”

“cause fuck you i don’t care”

PrincessLeiasCat ,

Just to clear up any confusion - you can understand violence and racism, but not littering?

And if I do understand correctly, maybe it’s because that’s how their parents were, so they honestly just don’t think about it. My parents were the complete opposite so I abhor it, but I’ve known folks who don’t think twice. We’re still friends, I just try to gently remind them.

I do not have any racist or violent actual friends friends though. Like, I don’t actively pursue their company.

Thorny_Insight OP ,

you can understand violence and racism, but not littering?

Yeah. I can imagine what a racist would say if I confronted them about it. They always have a reason for thinking that way and to them that reason seems valid. I can’t imagine what such justification a litterbug would have other than “I just don’t give a shit” so in other words; they know they’re in the wrong and simply don’t care.

PrincessLeiasCat ,

It goes both ways. Not all racists have the legitimate ignorance excuse - many just want a convenient excuse to have an “other” to blame their problems on so that they don’t have to take responsibility for their own failures in life.

In a way littering is similar - some folks just don’t give a fuck, others were raised not to think twice about it and so they don’t. The second group can probably be educated though.

There are ignorant people in every group who can be reasoned with and realize they’re wrong, and change.

And there are malicious dickheads who just don’t give a fuck who their destructive behavior hurts in the process and will continue on their path to watch the world burn.

The issues themselves aren’t always the main qualifier.

treadful ,
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I choose to believe it’s mostly accidental. Either it fell out of a trashcan while the truck was doing pick ups or sucked out of a car window before the driver could catch it. Or any other number of circumstances that probably happened to us in one point it time.

Obviously that’s not always the case but there’s no point in my getting angry at imaginary people about it.

Jilanico ,
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I confronted someone for littering and with a completely sincere face they said they’re creating jobs for the people cleaning the streets 💫 so does that mean murderers are creating jobs for homicide detectives?

Mostly_Gristle ,

Creating a need is not the same as creating a job.

Zozano ,
@Zozano@lemy.lol avatar

Same thing when I confronted someone about it.

It’s like people who dont return their shopping carts because they think they’re creating work.

No, you’re compounding the amount of work someone else needs to do within a set time.

They dont get paid more because you’re lazy.

Except littering is worse.

Nomad ,

Common reasons for littering are:

  • unavailability of trash cans (in a convenient distance)
  • inability to pay for trash disposal (this includes transport of heavy items or a large quantity of)
  • creation of jobs associated with trash removal (often including arguments that tax payers fund those jobs and as a taxpayer it’s their right to litter)

Exaggerated are these issues by low social education fueling short sightedness (“out of view out of mind”). So people lacking the understanding that somebody has to pay for removal of that waste.

morphballganon ,

Think of litterers like poorly trained dogs taking a shit on your sidewalk. They did it because they had to do it somewhere, and they’re not trained enough to understand that there are right places and wrong places.

HubertManne ,

do you mean as opposed to grass. Not sure how much dogs are trained to use grass. I mean I do bring them there so maybe they pick up on that and true if for some reason they seem to be starting before the grass I will pull them over but honestly I think they prefer the grass or other earthen areas over concrete. Basically not sure if that behavior is trained so much as instinct but I suppose it could be a bit of both. much training is about reinforcing behavior dogs do to begin with so I guess you could say that about all of it. sorry sorta ruminating this through my head as I type.

lvxferre ,
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People - everyone, including you and me - don’t think before most of their acts. And a lot of bad habits boils down to conditioning or lack of.

That’s likely the case for littering: they do it without thinking, justification, or reasoning. “I got some trash, I don’t want it, so I throw it on the ground.”

Klear ,

I’M AN ADULT!

Frittiert ,

Story: I was on a bus once, another passenger was a guy with a big McD Coke. We got off at the same station. Here, each station has a trash can.

So this guy walks right by the trash can and drops his fucking coke right next to it. He could have extended his arm like 10 cm more, and the coke would have gone into the trash can. But he chose to drop it on the floor.

This was years ago, and I think this day broke my faith in humanity a little.

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