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Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I think Tamago2474 made a video entirely about the evolution of CAPTCHAs. Yes, it even answers your question.

It’s this one in particular.

algorithmae ,

I used to fail Cloudflare’s capcha constantly until I realized I was clicking too fast lol

Kissaki ,

Cloudflare announced their CAPTCHA replacement Turnstile here in 2023

They don’t particularly go into the technical details, but announce:

We don’t rely on tracking user data, like what other websites someone has visited, to determine if a user is a human or robot. Our business is protecting websites, not selling ads, so operators can deploy Turnstile knowing that their users’ data is safe.

The tracking reference is about Google captchas using logged-in user account and tracking information to gain confidence in a user being a person and not requiring challenges for them.

Simple CAPTCHA systems give you a challenge to complete, to show you are human. (As the Cloudflare post points out, it’s most of the time easier for bots to solve challenges than it is for humans. But botters still require expertise and solutions.)

Sophisticated CAPTCHA systems may use any information the web-browser sends them to make a guess on whether the user is human or not, according to probabilistic models. For example the click interaction means you move your cursor, which can be tracked and analyzed against patterns.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

How you move or type is one reason. I only ever get challenge things when I am using remote desktop which recently changed how keyboard input is sent. Instead of going each key like it was being typed on the actual machine, it sends a whole line of text at once. Doing this tends to trigger the automation detection and challenges you with the “find all the traffic lights” bullshit.

DrownedRats ,
@DrownedRats@lemmy.world avatar

Slight tangent, but if you want to pass the “click on all the images with traffic lights” first time, select one that’s obviously wrong then go back and “change your mind” computers don’t do that and 9/10 times it’ll pass you first time!

THE_MASTERMIND ,
@THE_MASTERMIND@lemmy.today avatar

If this works you are the king of LPT.also i click a column and then unclick it right ?

DrownedRats ,
@DrownedRats@lemmy.world avatar

I just click one square thats wrong then unclick it. Seems to work almost every time!

THE_MASTERMIND ,
@THE_MASTERMIND@lemmy.today avatar

Will try . Ty

hperrin ,

You passed the test before you clicked the checkbox. Your mouse movement, momentary pause, IP address, browsing history, etc, gave away that you’re a human.

Illuminati ,

Then why do we still need to click it, instead of just loading the page at once?

hperrin ,

Because it measures how your mouse moves to the checkbox. If there was nothing to move to, you wouldn’t move your mouse.

Zoot ,
@Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

I get the checkbox even on mobile sometimes, I imagine as long as you’re not perfectly hitting the center pixel it knows you’re human.

hperrin ,

Yeah, that sounds reasonable. Touch input is reported similar to mouse input, so it would translate to a touch screen pretty well.

PlexSheep ,
@PlexSheep@feddit.de avatar

But that would be easy to program a bit for

JackGreenEarth ,

I don’t think random websites get access to my browser history without me explicitly giving them permission.

hperrin ,

They pretty much do if they’re run through something like Cloudflare or they use Google Analytics. That probably covers about 80% of websites. Not the website, but the company that’s running the Captcha.

JackGreenEarth ,

Why do so many websites use cloudflare? Isn’t the Internet meant to be decentralised and resilient? It’s not so resilient if so much is dependent on the servers of one company.

a4ng3l ,

Given the prevalence of cloudflare they could basically assess the trust level of your ass by cross checking how trusted you are on other services also behind cloudflare. If you aren’t utterly suspicious elsewhere you’re likely not a bad agent.

acockworkorange ,

Browser fingerprinting and borderline Spyware: youtu.be/4UuvwY6CdLo?si=EEK_jCqsKY1Osi9S

GlassHalfHopeful ,
@GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca avatar

I suspected this was the case! Like a silly human, I’ve been intentionally “wiggly” with my mouse movements for this very reason, hoping i don’t have to do a harder form of capthca. Haha. Now I only know I’m only a little crazy for doing so.

Cinner Bot ,

And, cloudflare creates a proxy (including it’s own SSL certificate by default!) between you and every cloudflare site. So they’re able to see all data, even on https secured pages.

And they make up a huge portion of the Internet 😊

don’t forget about 1.1.1.1, cloudflare’s dns.

blargerer ,

its checking things like your mouse movement.

Czele ,
@Czele@lemmy.world avatar

Its not sure how it exactly works, but most probably this captcha processes a lot of data like your mouse movement, mouse click but also your browser fingerprints, search history and ip. You can actually get ‘traffic lights’ test from this clicking button captacha if You have privacy protection in place, such as using brave, tor, firefox or mullvad browser and/or vpn, pluse some privacy browser extensions

stoy ,

I remember a talk about this I watched on YT about this, but I can’t find it now.

But the way it was described to work was that it looked at how you interacted with the page, how you mouse pointer moved, if it moves too straight between interactive points, how randomly it moves, if you are entering text in a field, how slow are you and do you make mistakes, how do you correct those?

Then when you click the tickbox it decides based on all those factors if you are human or if you are a bot.

Those captcha checks on a blank page are probably checking mouse movements, IP, User Agent and more stuff like that to determine it more checks are needed, though it might even be a fake captcha to act like a loading screen

ThisIsNotHim ,
@ThisIsNotHim@sopuli.xyz avatar

I had read (in a comment here, so take with a grain of salt) that some had started doing Proof of Work.

I.E. they ask the visiting computer to do some math. This is potentially less annoying to people than clicking on traffic lights or typing unreadable text, but could get costly if you’re using bots.

Vilian ,

how it block bots?, the bot just do the proof of work too

RegalPotoo ,
@RegalPotoo@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t block them exactly, but it’s trying to make it uneconomical to target the site using bots - if it now takes 1 second to perform the action rather than 1/100th of a second, you now need 100x more bots to achieve the same effect

Prking ,
@Prking@lemmy.world avatar

In non technical terms, some operating systems (eg iOS) will vouch that you are human. Which bypasses the need to click on things.

See support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/…/ios for details of how to turn it off

key ,

Rather than try to unilaterally deprecate and replace CAPTCHA with a single alternative, we built a platform to test many alternatives and rotate new challenges in and out as they become more or less effective.

With Turnstile, we adapt the actual challenge outcome to the individual visitor or browser. First, we run a series of small non-interactive JavaScript challenges gathering more signals about the visitor/browser environment. Those challenges include, proof-of-work, proof-of-space, probing for web APIs, and various other challenges for detecting browser-quirks and human behavior. As a result, we can fine-tune the difficulty of the challenge to the specific request and avoid ever showing a visual puzzle to a user.

Turnstile also includes machine learning models that detect common features of end visitors who were able to pass a challenge before. The computational hardness of those initial challenges may vary by visitor, but is targeted to run fast.

developers.cloudflare.com/turnstile/

TL;DR A bunch of heuristics that it’s hard to spoof all of. Fun side effect of this method is that if you spoof your user agent, you’ll often end up locked out in a loop. Lack of a captcha fallback is obnoxious.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

also the subtle but not so subtle 'we will fingerprint errrrbody'

so what do they do with that data?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Sell it to all the bidders.

BlueEther ,
@BlueEther@no.lastname.nz avatar

Incognito / ublock and vpn will often trigger a loop of captcha

THE_MASTERMIND ,
@THE_MASTERMIND@lemmy.today avatar

I have been stuck in one its hell you will be hoping this will be the last.

fubbernuckin ,

I got stuck in one and couldn’t even search for help because each result where people were complaining about it had a captcha preventing me from entering.

leaky_shower_thought ,

in my experience, you can sometimes get away messing a token or two in the user string as long as it is one of the common ones out there. start injecting BeOS and other arcane values in and things get less reliable.

Fake4000 ,

Captchas without a visible challenge use behavioral analysis to differentiate between human users and bots by monitoring mouse movements, keyboard inputs, and other behaviors.

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