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vamp07 ,

“Magnet of hate”. What a silly headline.

30mag ,

No one is suggesting DeSantis is a neo-Nazi sympathizer.

I get the impression that this guy might be out of touch.

FaeDrifter ,

I’ll suggest it ✋ DeSantis is a neo-Nazi sympathizer.

30mag ,

I feel the same way.

reagansrottencorpse ,

It high time we started scalping these Nazis

negativeyoda , (edited )

I live in Portland. That shit ain’t fun. This place was and remains a magnet for chud mouthbreathers to try to start shit

People are always like ANtiFa and NaZis are the SaMe! Violence solves nothing!

Guess what got those assholes to stop coming into my city en masse to menace residents? Getting confronted and not being allowed to run roughshod all over the place. People fought them and doxxed those fuckers to their employers and families. There hasn’t been a notable right wing rally here in at least 2 years.

Nazis and their ilk are by nature cowards. Thinking it’ll blow over if you ignore them does not work and emboldens them

Edit: added link to article

AngryCommieKender ,

I firmly believe that watching you guys fight them off so successfully is what got the leftists around me to actually go and get armed. Took them long enough, but I’m finally seeing a lot more leftist rifle association branches.

Metal_Zealot ,
@Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

“Becomes”
It wasn’t before?

pyromaster55 ,

Depends on how before you want to go. Before trump it was a fuckin weird state, but not a bastion of hate. Florida being fuckin Florida is actually a relatively recent thing.

ShooBoo ,

They go where nobody is going to give them any resistance. Try come doing that shit in my neighborhood and see how it goes. We all know what we have to do to stop them. The sooner we stop bitching and whining about it and start doing it the better off we will be.

isVeryLoud ,

My god, rollingstone’s site is cancer.

plaguesandbacon ,

We need to get back into the habit of beating the shit out of Nazis

IHaveTwoCows ,

What? You would beat them oVeR a dIfFeReNcE oF oPiNiOn??!1

KevonLooney ,

Being a Nazi is not an opinion. It’s choosing an ideology of violence. It’s fundamentally an intentional violent act. Being a member should make you an accessory to a hate crime, and be investigated for criminal conspiracy if they come within a mile of a weapon.

GreatGrapeApe ,

It is an opinion it just is a vile one.

Rawdogg ,

Are these american nazis aware their grandads killed nazis? I’ve always found it bizarre they fell down that rabbit hole.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

These goons are barely aware of anything beyond their narrow views.

sardaukar ,

I think someone should really study what’s going on, or we’ll never get out of this cycle.

IHaveTwoCows ,

I have told everyone exactly where this came from but all anyone wants to do is tell me that nAzIs hAvE fReE sPeEcH rIgHtS!

wnycstudios.org/…/divided-dial-episode-1-true-bel…

S_204 ,

People have studied the Holocaust and the Nazi rise to power in great detail.

The problem is the media diet of these bigots doesn’t include the typical educational information someone like me got growing up.

This is the results Sinclair media and Fox News.

Eezyville ,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

There was a Nazi party here in the US and a lot of people admired Hitler when he was rebuilding Germany. There were even some members of the press that expressed admiration when they covered the reforms he did.

Privilege can let you get away with a lot of things. There were concentration camps for Japanese-American citizens but none for German or Italian. For the Italians they were asked to persuade their extended families in Italy to stop fighting against us. I’m not sure what was asked for the Germans. My source is from documentaries I’ve seen (I really like this one).

GreatGrapeApe ,

There was widespread racism directed at Italian Americans that ran for decades. My grandmother’s mortgage from 1955 had language referring to Italian America quotas that needed to be referenced so they were not exceeded. That meant the town had to sign off on Italian Americans buying the home.

German is the most common ancestry in America which is likely why we did nothing about German Americans.

archiotterpup ,

My dude, there were anti German riots in the Midwest during the 19th century.

The xenophobia has always been focused on the latest group to migrate.

GreatGrapeApe ,

Yes but by the 20th century that had changed which is why German camps weren’t a thing.

In the Italians case they weren’t the last but they were the last group of “white” people. White on white racism gets weird.

AngryCommieKender ,

From what I learned talking to many WWII vets of German descent, they pretty much all said, “welp our cousins are starting shit again, time to go give them a spanking,” and signed up for service in droves even before Pearl Harbor. Lots of Teddy R. fans in that group.

bradorsomething ,

Florida is becoming a dystopian charter school.

mayo ,

It was built for rich republicans and now it’s home to their base.

ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

Take solace in the idea that awful people are congregating together and having to suffer each other.

RBWells ,

No. No. No. I was born here and we are being invaded. It is not ok. Take your assholes back, please. A concentration of them in one place is not good. Florida was democratic when I was a child (walkin’ Lawton Chiles never lost a race, and we were the only gulf state to disallow drilling off our coast.) And solidly purple until very, very recently (last few years) just gerrymandered to fuck once the Republicans seized the State Senate so it wasn’t so obvious.

Chickenstalker ,

Hitler had a dim view of Anglos and Americans in general. He would have given these Neo Nazis a one way train ticket to the concentration camps.

Blursty ,
@Blursty@lemmygrad.ml avatar

America was a huge inspiration for Hitler.

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/…/540630/

newyorker.com/…/how-american-racism-influenced-hi…

blomkalsgratin ,

It goes without saying that fascists in general are the scum of the earth but… Hitler revered the English in particular. He was devastated that they entered the war opposing him for this reason. The British empire was, in his view, a thing to be admired.

negativeyoda ,

I mean, they did colonize the non-white world like nobody’s business

Pratai ,

Imagine being so ignorant that you allow yourself to be a bought-and-paid-for zombie foot-soldier of one of the most ineffective politicians to ever embarrass himself into hopeful irrelevance.

Whenever I get down about how my life is going- it always helps to know that I’m not one of these dipshits.

jcit878 ,

$20 says they have their nose up Putins cockhole as well, they have a thing for failed leaders

jose1324 ,

So whats the reason they aren’t immediately put in handcuffs? This shit wouldn’t fly in Germany

BornVolcano ,

One of the reasons I love that I’m in Germany rn. You don’t get people casually joking about Nazis then laughing it off like it’s nothing. It is literally against the law, and people treat that topic with actual respect.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

Except… you do, and it’s apparently gotten very bad in places. Florida level bad.

euronews.com/…/teachers-who-made-desperate-plea-f…

runblack ,

That’s right, it depends on the place. Very much boils down to rural vs. urban (as in so many countries) but it’s also a bit worse in Eastern Germany.

However the comment above is not wrong, in that there are definitive limits to free speech in German law so that you have more legal levers against nazis before they turn to violence.

MossyFeathers ,

Jesus fucking Christ. I’d say that’s worse than Florida in some ways. There was an incident where 50 teenagers went looking for black people to kill!? That’s straight up klan behavior! What the actual fuck!?

IHaveTwoCows ,

HEY WOULD EVERYBODY PLEASE FLOOD MY FUCKING INBOX TELLING ME THAT RESPONDING TO THEM WITH VIOLENCE IS WRONG?

Coreidan ,

Hey I think your keyboard might be broken.

IHaveTwoCows ,

WHAAAAT??!!!

EnglishMobster ,

Freedom of speech. Everyone is able to be heard, even if their opinions are distasteful. It’s what the US was built on and why people can fly swastikas and wear klan hoods without being arrested.

They can only be arrested if they commit a crime, not because their views are horrible. You can walk down the street yelling racial slurs at everyone and that’s perfectly legal as long as you aren’t being violent or inciting others to violence.

That doesn’t mean society has to tolerate them - counter-protesting is alive and well, and Nazis have been fired from their jobs for their views. But the government can’t arrest them simply for being Nazis.

accideath ,

I mean, we also have freedom of speech here in Germany. There are (harsh) limitations around hate speech and insults but besides that you can say what you want.

What’s also a definite no are nazi symbols. Swastikas, SS runes, nazi salutes, etc. are only ever allowed in the context of education and art (like period films and as of fairly recently, games).

We also still do have regular day to day nazis in Germany and sadly the far right party AfD has been growing in numbers over the last few years, taking a lot of inspiration from US republicans in their talking points and rhetoric. Since July they are in a county government for the first time, having only ever been an opposition party until then.

Germany wasn’t built on the principles of freedom (of speech) but that human dignity is inviolable. That’s Art. 1 of our constitution. Only Art. 2 then defines personal freedom.

Prandom_returns ,

Yelling slurs at people should be conaidered as psychological violence.

I mean, that’s why a lot of counties have hate speech laws.

Staccato ,

Is “Jews get the rope” an incitement to violence? Because these recent rallies seem to be hitting very close to what are the commonly-accepted limits on free speech in America.

SCB ,

Is “eat the rich” or a guillotine reference a call for violence?

You’re legally allowed to say awful shit, you just can’t act on it, or have a reasonable suspiscion that you may imminently act on it.

IHaveTwoCows ,

“Eat the rich” and guillotines have historical precedent

Illuminostro ,

History needs to repeat itself.

IHaveTwoCows ,

But the people can beat the shit out of them for it

IHaveTwoCows ,

I for one am pretty real fucking tired of this goddamn fakeass free speech absolutism. The first amendment was about criticizing the new government’s decisions without getting imprisoned for it AND NOTHING MORE. The SCOTUS was dead wrong, just like this SCOTUS is corrupt as fuck. Nazis DO NOT have free soeech rights.

They DO NOT.

sturmblast ,

I mean that’s a nice fantasy you have there but in America that’s just not how it works

IHaveTwoCows ,

Thats because everyone laid down like doormats and accepted Nazis as their equals and neighbors.

There is only one way to deal with them.

sturmblast ,

we have this thing called freedom of speech that allows them to do a lot of the things they do

mayo ,

It’s more that the US is all about personal liberty and personal freedoms. Other places that you’re referring to have a charter of rights, which still allow for personal freedoms but are also constructed to protect minorities or at risk groups, like Jewish people.

That said the Bill of Rights that the Americans produced was first of it’s kind and amazing. Personally I just don’t think they got it quite right and charter of rights take into account the personal liberties of all people and not just the dominant majority.

IHaveTwoCows ,

Freedoms come with responsibilities. Ignore the responsibilities and break the social contract, no freedoms.

jose1324 ,

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech american

phoenixz ,

Nice face tattoos, those really say “I’m an intelligent, educated and reasonable person and totally not riddled with mental health issues”

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Dude looks like the main villain in Days Gone, the one who lost his mind and tattooed himself with cutting torches.

Rawdogg ,

Behold the master race, its comforting knowing every time he sees his reflection all he sees is this hideous mess. it’s like looking at a desk in detention, fascist scum

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think you need to veer into shitting on people who like or have body modifications. This dude’s a fucking Nazi because he wants to be, not because he has a face tattoo.

phoenixz ,

Interesting point, I guess?

I’m sorry, it may be judgmental, but if I see somebody with face tattoos, it doesn’t say “high intellectual level” to me, especially at the level of this guy. I’m seriously wondering here what face tattoo would say “I’m intelligent”, which one would say “I’m highly educated”, which would say “I’m a reasonable person” and which one would say “I’m not riddled with mental health issues”…

For the first two: I’m sorry. Do with your body what you wish, put a ring through your ass if you like (that must be fun on the toilet!) I don’t care. But in current society, your face is your calling card. If you have purple hair with 2 nose rings and a bunch of tattoos, don’t complain if you’re not hired to be the face of any organization whatsoever. If you put a tattoo on your face, of all places, you simply make your life a lot harder in practice. How many intellectuals do you know that look like our buddy on the OP article? I don’t know any.

For the third one: I guess there are Buddhist monks that have facial tattoos? I honestly wouldn’t know, but I’m betting good money that they still don’t look like our slightly mentally deficient buddy upstairs

For the fourth: Yeeaaaahhh… Unfortunately, people with mental health issues don’t always take the best decisions for themselves. Consequently, a lot of them are homeless (not judging at all here, they need help) a lot of them are addicts (again, not judging, it is what it is) and a lot of them get things like very highly visible body modifications.

In case of our little asshole up there in the article: Dude, don’t tell me that you think that this guy has even a basic education (he likely doesn’t), let alone is an intellectual, that you think he’s intelligent (oh boy, oh boy, is he not), that you think he’s reasonable (Yeaaaahhh, press X to doubt) or that you think he isn’t riddled with mental health issues (I’m betting good money that he has a list of issues that require professional health to fix)

I’m sorry, I may be judgemental but if you look like that, you have problems.

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

Both the way you look and the decision to modify any part of your body has no bearing whatsoever on your level of intelligence. Full stop. It’s incredibly irrational to believe so. Just because within your social circle of operation face tattoos are prejudiced against does not mean that you need to continue to perpetuate that bigotry and ignorance.

Being judgemental aides no one. Given enough scrutiny anyone can appear abnormal or ‘incorrect’ according to societal norms and thus can be unjustly ostracized if people continue to think as you do.

phoenixz ,

Just yesterday I saw this girl waitress with “die4u” tattood on her throat of all places.

I’m sorry, but that does not advertise intelligence or mental stability to me

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