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Nougat ,

How do you even get a vehicle past safety regulations and up for sale without third party crash testing?

FlyingSquid ,
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You have a car company owned by one of the richest (and thus one of the most powerful) people in the world.

something_random_tho ,

When you’re famous they let you do it.

restingboredface ,

I suspect nhtsa is facing pressure to push through EVs as part of the larger effort to promote move to carbon emissions reduction.

TheSalarian ,

What an incredibly bold claim with zero evidence to back it up.

_stranger_ ,

I found this article informative.

consumerreports.org/…/some-cars-will-never-be-cra…

In order to sell a new vehicle in the U.S., manufacturers must provide information from their own company crash tests to NHTSA to ensure compliance with federal standards.

Mirshe ,

Yup, regulatory capture at work. You see this a lot in EPA and OSHA as well - “we’ll take your word for it until serious shit starts happening a lot.”

NotMyOldRedditName ,

They all do spot checks.

It would cost a shitload of money if they had to clear every single model, or product or service.

So either everything gets more expensive (people complain), or we increase taxes further (people complain)

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

Money

Evil_Shrubbery ,

Deregulation.

Thorny_Insight ,

I don’t know about Cybertruck but other Teslas rank high up in the safest cars ever tested. Would be surprising if this wouldn’t apply to cybertruck too though who knows.

Edit: also, 15 to 20k units sold and this is the first fatal crash involving one

FlyingSquid ,
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Recent data indicates that Cybertruck may have achieved the highest sales among electric pickup trucks in the U.S. during the second quarter of 2024. With an estimated 15,000 to 20,000 units already on the road and a reported sales rate of 1,754 units per month, the Cybertruck is increasingly visible on roadways.

Well… say hello to a lot more fatal crashes. Involving pedestrians.

_stranger_ ,

On the bright side, this was a single vehicle, single person crash.

NotMyOldRedditName , (edited )

The cybertruck front is actually lower than a lot of other comparable trucks, and has a slanted hood, both things that will reduce pedestrian fatalities compared to some of the other flat neck high bricks out there.

It’s just a matter of does the truck cut them in half or not with that front edge of which we don’t have any data on yet.

Eg. This is beside a f150 raptor

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/439f707d-a9aa-4393-bd11-8b95a2f38889.jpeg

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

It also has sharp corners that will ruin your day- instead of Bouncing off fairly flexible body panels, that are round and blunt, you’re getting nailed by rigid, sharp corners.

Which concentrate what force is there.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Well that’s my comment about getting cut in half.

But it’d almost be certainly be better to get hit by a lower, slanted shape even if solid than a slightly flexible higher flat wall

Higher is bad in general and many trucks are comically high.

FuglyDuck ,
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It’s not that you’d be cut in half.

It’s that the force of the impact is concentrated onto a single point. (Specifically the corner.)

Also, kids exist and are more likely to not be seen, shorter doesn’t much help them.

Being shorter is one thing, but that’s just a whataboutism. The design of the CT is broadly unsafe, from drive by wire systems that insert delayed control signals, to shitty suspension that can’t handle hard and sudden braking under any kind of real load, to tires that get cut by its own hub cover, to lethal body panels and being ridiculously heavy.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

I mean… the meme is that the front edge is going to cut people in half and be deadly. And we agree that’s probably a problem that we’ll need to see crash data from. But that’s just one part of the front of which others are arguably safer.

Kids will get killed by all trucks regardless. Having the front impact heads in an accident is a losing proposition for everyone and doesn’t have any relevance in the discussion.

The rest of that is all meaningless as well until there is other data and you just grasping for straws.

HurlingDurling ,
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That’s not entirely accurate, a cyber truck has adaptive suspension that can lift the truck as much as what you’d get on a 6" lift. In the Pic you are showing it’s at it’s lowest position.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

It’s still lower than many other trucks even when higher. This is the driving position and the most efficient for aero. They could drive in higher modes though yes.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

This is beside a f150 lightning, and the CT is a little more raised on this one. Not sure about the lightning though with the angle

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e2ca4537-3dd2-4614-82df-85e5ac9861ff.jpeg

TranscendentalEmpire ,

Unfortunately the materials really matters with pedestrian motor vehicle accidents. When I first started working in orthopedics and rehabilitation, metal fenders and bumpers were still regularly on the roads and causing very specific injuries.

When a metal bumper hits you, it doesn’t just cause blunt force trauma, it tends to shear muscle away from the bone. There was a specific ankle foot orthosis that was widely produced up until the early 2000s that was meant to replace calf muscles that were scooped off by metal bumpers.

This truck is basically a giant flying wedge of stainless steel, I don’t see any pedestrian walking away from an accident with this monstrosity.

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Any thoughts on how the plastic bumper at the bottom might impact that? Do you think that might make any difference at all? You’re still going to hit the metal parts regardless, but that initial impact might be plastic, (edit: and then start the forces of throwing you onto the hood)

I really wanna see a 3rd party agency test this so we can finally get some answers, but with the lower front/angle, but the metal/front edge, it might even turn out to be a less fatalities, but more injuries type of situation. That edge is going to be the key factor.

Less deaths wouldn’t excuse more injuries though. I half wonder if the NHSTA will eventually force Tesla to add some sort of rounded plastic thing around the front edges.

Evil_Shrubbery ,

Wait, first?
That was the first crash?

Huh. I thought for sure people who buy those crash on the way home from the dealership. Of in their garage if “car” is delivered.

JohnnyCanuck ,
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From the article:

appears to be the first reported fatal crash

(emphasis mine)

BruceTwarzen ,

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