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Republicans worry Trump is having a ‘public nervous breakdown’

‘Donald Trump is losing his marbles,’ former Congressman and Republican Adam Kinzinger said

Republicans are concerned that party leader Donald Trump is having a “public nervous breakdown” after he made a series of offensive outbursts about Vice President Kamala Harris as he slips behind her in the polls.

The former president has made a number of insulting personal attacks against his Democratic rival since she moved to the top of the ticket. Last week, Trump questioned Harris’s racial identity at the National Association of Black Journalists conference. Over the weekend, he accused Harris of having a “low IQ.”

New polls indicate Trump is slipping behind the vice president in the popular vote and races are tightening in battleground states.

“This is what you would call a public nervous breakdown,” Matthew Bartlett, a Republican strategist and former Trump state department appointee, told https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/05/republicans-cringe-trump-harris-attacks-00172724.

SteveFromMySpace ,

They forgot that this is exactly how he operated in 2016. My amateur theory is that he decided the safe and respectable route is what cost him 2020 and is going to cost him 2024, so he’s going back to what he believes ultimately made him win.

Meanwhile the Republicans are looking at the last eight years of near nonstop national defeats but don’t have a way of dealing with this bull in their party-equivalent of a China shop

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed and we will deserve it.” - Lindsey Graham

phdepressed ,

“Took fucking long enough”-me

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Important to note that what Lindsey meant was that they would get “destroyed” in the election (which obviously did not happen), not that the party itself would be destroyed. But I hope that second meaning comes to pass regardless.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Let’s hope in hindsight it feels like a Monkey’s Paw Event

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Has his behavior changed? Trump seems to be spouting the same kind of nonsense he always has. This just seems to be more of the same weird rants.

Quill7513 ,

The best time to wake up to that Donald Trump is a weird racist who should be ignored was 1988. The second best time is now

homesweethomeMrL ,

“I think we’re starting to see the old Trump that a lot of Republicans got tired of in 2020, got tired of defending him,”

Oh are they tired of defending a traitorous rapist conman? They’re tired of defending a sociopath and grotesque manbaby for the singular purpose of jamming through the most regressive laws and judges anyone could imagine? Awwww. Poor lot of republiQans.

Sc00ter ,

Let’s not be fooled. They defended him because he could help them. Now that he’s not polling as favorably, trump has less to offer for their support

homesweethomeMrL ,

Is that better than cultishly believing his obvious lies?

Burn_The_Right ,

Why should they be tired? After scouring the nation for the person who most accurately represents them, conservatives have consistently chosen Trump as the one who most closely reflects their sentiments. He is their accurate reflection.

They’ve re-affirmed their leader for eight solid years now. They get to own this and they should never be thought of apart from him. Just as nazis are always associated with Hitler, Republicans should always be associated with Trump. Always.

borf ,

The behavior hasn’t substantially changed, but the narrative is shifting. Trump took office on the back of a wave of sardonic, nihilistic memes. He was constantly excused for being bigoted and unintelligible because his dork enlightenment cronies could cynically spin everything as nine dimensional water backgammon. The fact they weren’t making sense was a plus, not a minus.

Biden dropping out and team Kamala stepping up so hard so fast on the meme front has completely taken the right by surprise. They weren’t mobilized to defend against this. So now they’re on the back foot, the memes from the mainstream left are sharper and meaner than Trumpworld has ever had to deal with before, and the messaging is laser focused.

Spouting nonsense only works if it looks like you’re winning by doing so. Don just keeps showing how old, tired, and weak he really is, so the cracks are forming. Just think of all the political capital he’s spent trying to make diapers cool, and then he makes a VP pick who Snopes has confirmed literally fucked a couch on live video.

Xeroxchasechase ,

Didn’t click the link, but I really really hope it’s Rickrolling…

SkyezOpen ,

XcQ

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

XcQ, link stays blue

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Get out of here with this fake news! There’s no video! This is just a hit on Vance!

Again, there is no video of J.D. Vance fucking a couch. He only wrote about it in his autobiography (chapter 11, page 180).

expr ,

I assume you’re just memeing siince he never actually wrote about that?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If he didn’t write it, maybe Jesse Watters should be demanding to see the book and not just a video he could masturbate to.

dailydot.com/…/fox-news-jesse-watters-jd-vance-co…

expr ,

Just gonna share this here anyway since I fell for it originally:

www.snopes.com/…/jd-vance-couch-cushions/

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Snopes doesn’t need to be “helping” right now.

expr ,

I’m confused… Are you saying we should encourage disinformation?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. I am saying America should be convinced that J.D. Vance fucks couches.

Because that’s what you do when the opponents do things like say your candidates turned black all of a sudden or that he wasn’t born in the United States.

expr ,

I mean, there’s so much bullshit to use against them we hardly need to stoop to lies. The truth is already incredibly damning and is tearing them apart right now.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“When they go low, we go high” almost never works in politics. So good luck telling people that they’re smearing poor J.D. Vance with a terrible lie.

expr ,

I’m not saying we go high. By all means, rip into them. The Harris campaign is doing a great job of that, using the truth. There’s so much ammunition that the lies are just a drop in the bucket and serve no real purpose other than distortion. It’s just pretty pointless.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

and serve no real purpose other than distortion.

Dude, I just showed you that Jesse Watters devoted airtime to getting upset about it. So that’s demonstrably untrue.

borf ,

Also, it creates social media engagement much like this thread, so that whether or not somebody believes the truth (that JD personally documented the experience of losing his virginity to a musty piece of furniture) they’re still engaging with the idea the whole time they read and respond. That’s called memetic fitness.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And every moment spent by Republicans defending Vance against this rumor is a moment not spent on campaigning for Trump.

homesweethomeMrL ,

I hear what expr is saying though - several Democratic-voting people I know actually thought it was real in the initial scrum of the meme. That part I’m not so big on. Everyone going wink-wink-nudge dude fucked a couch is fine.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What difference does it make if they think it’s real? I don’t see how that makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. People believe much sillier things that aren’t true all the time.

homesweethomeMrL ,

I’d prefer my own political party to believe truthful things. Despite the wild success the reverse has shown in other parties.

Call it a quirk.

ChadCMulligan ,

Well, put your mind at ease. The Democratic Party doesn’t think jd Vance fucked a couch.

homesweethomeMrL ,

Which members? Because 100% for sure some of them believe it. When I heard it “was in the first edition of the book” part I was sorely tempted myself.

It’s a trifle. Not important, and barely a whisper of a shadow of the simplest lie the republiQans tell on an hourly basis. But for the record, there absolutely are Democrats voting for Kamala that believe it to be true. That’s just how media works. Especially when it’s so plausible.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Well then wake me up when they stop deifying JFK. Otherwise I’m not too concerned about a couch-fucking rumor.

homesweethomeMrL ,

When Democrats stop deifying JFK?

Well, I guess you’d have to specify. For one thing that was six decades ago.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And yet Democrats believe all sorts of myths about him anyway. And ignore things like how he stalled civil rights legislation and got the U.S. into Vietnam.

homesweethomeMrL ,

I suppose some do, but no one’s actively promoting that. Are they? The record is pretty clear by all accounts.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If the record was clear, people wouldn’t still be talking about Kennedy when they talk about civil rights. And yet they do. All the time. Actively.

I’m not sure why you don’t think politicians reach back to their predecessors and talk about how amazing they were when it constantly happens. With Democrats, it’s Kennedy. With Republicans, it’s Reagan.

homesweethomeMrL ,

The Early Sixties
Racial tensions continued to build. In 1962 President Kennedy sent hundreds of U.S. marshals to enforce a court order to admit African American James Meredith to the University of Mississippi. The marshals encountered fierce resistance from violent segregationists. In a melee, two people were killed and dozens injured. In February 1963 Kennedy submitted a civil rights bill to Congress that did not address the important issue of integration of public facilities. He did little to support the bill and it floundered. When racial violence erupted in Birmingham, Alabama, in May 1963, John Kennedy realized it was time to put forward a broad new civil rights bill. Most of his advisers told him it would be a terrible political mistake. But Robert advised him that the future of the country was at stake and urged him to go ahead with the bill.

A Landmark Speech
On June 11, 1963, the day that Governor George Wallace made his “stand in the school room door” to prevent two black students from attending the University of Alabama, President Kennedy spoke to the nation in a televised address to ask for support of the civil rights bill. He said, “We are confronted primarily with a moral issue. It is as old as the scriptures and is as clear as the American Constitution. The heart of the question is whether all Americans are to be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities.”

Two Reactions
For some, Kennedy’s speech was a long-awaited show of support. “All of a sudden, he brought passion to it, he brought that eloquence to it and it electrified me and all kinds of other black people,” Roger Wilkins remembered. Fellow civil rights activist John Lewis said, “that night in June… he spoke, I think, to the heart and to the soul of America. I would never forget that speech.” For others, the speech was intolerable. Later that night, a reply came from those who opposed civil rights. Segregationist Byron de la Beckwith shot and killed Medgar Evers, the NAACP’s field secretary in Mississippi.

Source

I dunno how we got here from couch-fucking memes, but, okay?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

He did little to support the bill and it floundered.

Cool. One sentence that is a mild criticism of what actually happened.

Thank you for proving my point.

Please do show me the next link about how the Soviets started the Cuban Missile Crisis.

homesweethomeMrL ,

There’s more in the paragraphs before about their unwillingness to pursue civil rights legislation. Suffice to say it was more nuanced than “JD Vance fucked a couch”.

What’s your point again?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

My point was that most Democrats think Kennedy was 100% for civil rights regardless of what website you might find says. They also think he saved the world by resolving the Cuban Missile Crisis without knowing he started it.

Because they believe things that aren’t true.

homesweethomeMrL ,

So, what you’re saying PBS is pretending Kennedy supported civil rights in the documented speech he gave supporting civil rights which was praised by people including John Lewis as a watershed moment for civil rights? I mean sure, you can prove anything with facts.

And you’re saying Kennedy started the Cuban Missile Crisis by moving nukes into Turkey?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nope. I’m not saying anything about PBS. How about you actually read my posts?

homesweethomeMrL ,

My point was that most Democrats think Kennedy was 100% for civil rights regardless of what website you might find says.

I thought I was!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Is English not your first language? Do you not know what “regardless” means?

Kaput ,

The rest of the world can’t do shit about your elections. And it’s scary as hell. So please keep throwing shit around it make the train wreck more entertaining.

lolcatnip ,

The thing about lies is that they demonstrably work a lot better than the truth on the segment of voters we need to reach. They’re practically begging to be lied to, so I say give them what they want. If they wanted the truth, it would be extremely easy for them to find it.

ChadCMulligan ,

“Couch fucker” is catchy though, it rolls off the tongue, it’s easy to remember

‘Diaper Don and the couch fucker’ is a great response to ‘sleepy joe and low iq karolla’ or whatever tf trump is calling her

— it sucks that this is where American political discourse is, but this is where THEY brought it to. Taking the high road isn’t a virtue when dealing with a bully and it isn’t effective.

eestileib ,

Diaper Don and the Couchfucker sounds like a bluegrass duo you’d see at a bar in Ithaca. I love it.

frezik ,

We should encourage ridicule. Their positions are not worth the dignity of rational debate.

MagicShel ,

There are two kinds of people: those who understand it’s juvenile humor and are just memeing on it for funsies, and those who don’t understand that and are never going to be high information voters and JD Vance fucks couches must just be the message that gets them to vote.

My optimism in humanity leads me to believe there are very few of the latter. What I’m certain of is the joke does no harm and is a silly little meme. President Trump was a silly little meme in 2015 but then Hillary ran the worst campaign in living memory (Kamala saved Biden from that dubious distinction), and here we are. So I’m okay with it, but obviously it has no place in serious conversation except to inject some laughs.

Burn_The_Right ,

Watters insists the couch-clapping story is as real as Covid-19. That sounds like an admission to me!

commandar ,

dork enlightenment

I have no idea how I’ve never seen this up to now, but good god that’s the perfect encapsulation of that particular sect of morons.

Kaput ,

Damn, clicked it. Didn’t expect that.

borf ,

Some things truly cannot be unseen.

Zerlyna ,
@Zerlyna@lemmy.world avatar

Goddammit. <facepalm>

lolcatnip ,

I did but I clicked anyway.

Wytch ,

Agree with both above parent comments, but what can they hope to gain by starting to point out his meltdowns now? Do they think they can convince him to step down as well? To change his rhetoric?

MagicShel ,

Possibly just distancing themselves from Trump to position themselves for a post-Trump world. Normally its only retirees who don’t face reprisal from Trump or voters that speak out anyway.

dhork ,

… But they will vote for him anyway, because doing otherwise is basically admitting you were wrong all along, and they would never do that.

Nomecks ,

It’s called a Narcissist Shame/Rage Spiral.

dogsnest ,
@dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

This guy analyses.

givesomefucks ,

There’s only a handful of people in the world trump could beat in an election…

And he never imagined Biden would actually get out of the way, so he has no idea what to do now that it’s not Biden.

TrippaSnippa ,

I am absolutely convinced that Trump’s entire election strategy was to just coast to victory on “Biden old” and “I got shot”. By the time of the republican convention he was confident that he had it in the bag and didn’t need to keep trying, so when Biden dropped out it completely shattered his plan and he’s got nothing to replace it. He does not have the cognitive ability to pivot against Harris/Walz and his ego is way too big to actually listen to his campaign strategists (if he even has any that aren’t just yes men).

  • this should not be interpreted as complacency. It is definitely not a sure thing that Harris will win
givesomefucks ,

Harris isn’t a guaranteed win, but she’d have to royally fuck up to blow this election.

trump just isn’t as popular as he used to be. The last two elections there was trump shit all over my red state. I haven’t seen a single trump bumpper sticker. Not even old ones from prior elections.

dhork ,

If there’s one thing I’ve learned in my life, though, it’s to never underestimate the ability of a Democrat to royally fuck something up.

phdepressed ,

She’s got a long list of stuff to fix that will require both houses of congress. If we give her a majority of non-moderate Dems there’s hope. Obama didn’t fuck up too bad besides trying to compromise with Rs for “bipartisanship” until they retook the House and Senate at which point they kneecapped him politically. He was too much an idealist imo. She seems wise enough to not fall for that. Maybe I’m giving her too much credit but being media quiet while VP has allowed her to more easily distance from Biden’s shittier policies like Israel-Palestine and push for more on climate/women now that she has a campaign lead by herself.

Since I know and support many of her stated policy stances the biggest question for me is how to reform SCOTUS, regulate voting rights (e.g. RCV or France style) and stop media disinformation without infringing on the 1st amendment.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

The only reason anybody has ever put out a Trump flag, bumper sticker, worn a red hat is because they want to bait people into a confrontation. It turns out, it’s just a way of telling people not to talk to you because you are just looking for a confrontation.

Starbuck ,

I think this is something that is hard to overstate. Back in 2016, I went out to northern Pennsylvania to see a friend out there, and the amount of Trump shit I saw blew my blue state mind. Then I did another trip down to North Carolina and saw so much.

In 2020, I went out to both of those places again and there was a bunch of 2016 stuff out there, but not as much new stuff.

I haven’t been up to see my friend in a few years now, but driving through parts of North Carolina I don’t see anything, new or old. I think the rank and file are getting sick of him.

And on top of that, I think Democrats are genuinely excited about Harris Walz. Everyone I know in my blue state went from quiet resignation in voting for Biden to energized. Obviously it only matters if you actually vote, but hopefully everyone feels like they have a good reason this time to vote for someone instead of just against someone. It’s not enough to just win the presidency, we need to run up the numbers and take congress.

Sciaphobia ,

That shit is still everywhere where I am. Vote as if he’s a popular as he ever was, because in some areas he sure seems to be.

lewdian69 ,

I get the rage but shame? That’s not a thing Trump has

Num10ck ,

narcissists don’t shame themselves, they try to shame non-loyalists.

lolcatnip ,

I think he feels shame, but not about things that would make a normal person feel shame. Like, I’m pretty sure losing or appearing weak make him feel shame, but hurting people doesn’t.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

No, I don’t think those things make him feel shame, either, just anger.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They’re only worried that it will happen before the election.

dhork ,

Well, they probably also realize that if it happens after he wins, and he can’t continue in office, then no couch in the country is safe.

Cephalotrocity ,

Vance’s first presidential decree: All couches shall from now on be referred to as loveseats

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I am worried about his homosectional agenda.

KingJalopy ,

Oh that’s fucking hilarious

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

You struck gold with this one, lol

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Admittedly, I’ve waited like three days for the right moment.

Burn_The_Right ,

And the internet has been won by… A squid, ladies and gentlemen.

Damn fine comment.

dogslayeggs ,

I’ll just throw this right here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcaYfIxMfyk

AbidanYre ,

he can’t continue in office

Based on Reagan’s second term, nothing short of actually being dead would meet that criteria.

frezik ,

Nah, Vance is more self serving. He’ll 25th Amendment himself into the job as soon as he has an excuse.

ours ,

He has his eyes set on that sweet, sweet, oval office couch.

sigmaklimgrindset ,

Him, or his overlord Peter Thiel?

MagicShel ,

He can take away my vote, but I’ll be dammed if I accept jus primae noctis with my furniture.

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