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One and done: Michael Phelps calls for a lifetime ban for anyone who's caught doping

In the wake of a Chinese doping scandal, Michael Phelps doubled down Monday on his support for tougher sanctions — including a lifetime ban for anyone who tests positive for a banned substance.

“If you test positive, you should never be allowed to come back and compete again, cut and dry,” Phelps said. “I believe one and done.”

The World Anti-Doping Agency and World Aquatics have acknowledged that 23 Chinese swimmers tested positive for a banned substance ahead of the Tokyo Olympics. The results were not made public until media reports surfaced this year, with both bodies accepting the Chinese explanation that the positive tests were caused by tainted food.

Nine of those swimmers won medals - several as part of relay teams - n Paris, leading British star Adam Peaty to gripe that the playing field was not even.

Pringles ,

I believe in the Sun Tzu method. You are allowed to fuck up once. Fuck up again, off with the head (well, or a lifetime ban in this case). One and done would ruin too many careers with false positives or people that made a youthful fuck up.

abracaDavid ,

We’ve seen this time and time again. Banning things outright just doesn’t work. Regulation works.

Also, almost every profession athlete uses steroids in some way or another.

mryessir ,

Its russian medicine not doping /s

WoahWoah ,

Fine and well, but coming from a gear-doping genetic freak created in a lab run by fish…

I don’t really have an end to that, I just wanted to call him a gear-doping genetic freak created in a lab run by fish.

interdimensionalmeme ,

This sports stuff is expensive and controversial. Just ban sports competition. Solves the drugs shit and the trans stuff.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

What if they test positive for marijuana? 🤔

chiliedogg ,

That’s like the opposite of a performance enhancer.

kurap1ka ,

Still it was on the list for many years, like alcohol. They can reduce competitive stress.

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

Yeah; it’s a joke referencing Micheal Phelps who was caught smoking weed while not even at the games any more and had this big controversy where people were demanding he have his medals taken away.

It’s only a performance enhancer if they have a giant chocolate bar at the end of the event waiting for the winner.

ryannathans ,

Improves endurance and recovery time. Especially from injuries like broken bones

ryannathans ,

Research disagrees

thoro ,

As long as there is an appeals process. And it seems there was.

fpslem ,

While we’re over-hauling doping punishments, we have to confront the deeply broken doping testing system and widespread contaminations of many foods and medications. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and its country-level entities (UKADA, USADA, etc.) don’t like to talk about how laughably bad their systems are, and how often the pop false positives. It wasn’t as well known until cyclist Lizzy Banks challenged a false positive last year and spent €40,000 in legal fees and testing fees to get a “no fault or negligence” ruling. And that wouldn’t have been possible at all if Banks didn’t have a medical background (she went pro just before finishing a medical degree) and was able to read the faulty reports herself and challenge the claims of UKADA. Thanks to her, we now know that WAY more common foods and over-the-counter medications have contaminations with banned substances, which produces positive results with trace-amounts of banned substances.

cyclingweekly.com/…/i-felt-that-my-life-was-over-…

I’m all for cracking down on dopers and cheaters, so long as we fix the system so it doesn’t create false-positives.

commandar ,

The entire system is deeply corrupt beyond false positives.

We know for a fact that Russia was systematically cheating testing and the grand sum of the punishment they faced for it was having to compete as “Olympic Athletes from Russia” for two years.

index ,

They did it too they simply weren’t caught.

tourist ,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

What was that videogame, where if they caught you hacking, they wouldn’t ban you, they’d just put you in lobbies with other hackers?

Imagine having an olympics where all the caught dopers compete against each other.

But they’d probably, like, die or some shit. I’ll have to rethink this when I’m in my morning zone.

Northern Lights is a great strain yall

BallsandBayonets ,

If they over-dope to compete in the dopers olympics and die as a result, that’s not any different than driving without a seatbelt or motorcycling without a helmet and dying as a result. If you don’t want to risk death you can just not be stupid.

Chee_Koala ,

True, I think a doping league is something we could try. We just have a year or 2 of ONLY doping league, then open the clean league and have 100 % controls. But not all doping is testable, currently…

Nuerion ,
@Nuerion@lemmy.world avatar

foxnews.com/…/enhanced-games-founder-says-steroid…

TexasDrunk ,

I don’t care about the Olympics themselves (I think they’re important, I am just not personally interested in catching more than highlights), but I would watch the shit out of the Dope Olympics. Dude on steroids and cocaine throwing a javelin ten miles? I’d pay to watch that.

Of course I’d also watch the Pitch-O-Mat 5000 fire balls at Wireless Joe Jackson, so I’m not anyone’s target audience except possibly Futurama’s from 20-odd years ago.

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Futurama is still running, as i found out last week.

TexasDrunk ,

It is! And the new ones are fine. I happen to be partial to the first few seasons.

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

One can say the first few seasons are very fine

GoofSchmoofer ,
@GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world avatar

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAdG-iTilWU

TexasDrunk ,

I’m all for it. However, the show was stolen by Dennis Miller’s hair. It’s a shame about him. I remember him mercilessly mocking pretty much every politician and being ever so slightly left leaning when I was a kid. The older he got the worse he got. He went from slightly left leaning, to calling himself libertarian while supporting neocon ideals, to whatever the hell happened a few years ago.

chiliedogg ,

The modified howitzer?

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

That was GTA4

I like the idea of Dopelympics. Let everyone participating be fully aware they’re in for the time of their (very short) lives

index ,

Everyone who competes at these level is already doped

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

What was that videogame, where if they caught you hacking, they wouldn’t ban you, they’d just put you in lobbies with other hackers?

Many games do that but GTA is easily the most popular/famous to do so. Though it hasn’t done that in a long, long time, that is how it worked at launch. You also got a little dunce hat, so you knew you fucked up.

cmbabul ,

I think that the problem there would be that so many eyes would follow a full on doping Olympics that that’s where the money would also go. And there’s no way you could spin that sort of league/competition to be amateurs only like the Olympics is so it would have to be professional which means the best athletes would go there because they’d fucking get paid

bitchkat ,

The Olympics haven’t been amateur for at least 30 years. Not only do professionals compete, but the country olympic committees usually pay competitors for winning a medal.

Blackmist ,

It would be highly unethical, but I do wonder how much faster you could go if you were allowed to take absolutely anything.

See somebody run 100m in 8 seconds before their heart explodes. Watch a man lift a whole car before he shits his entire digestive system out of his body.

Honytawk ,

Those are called the Enhanced Games.

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Ugh, sponsored of course by Peter Thiel, the fascist transhumanist.

lone_faerie ,

Northern Lights is a great strain. Man I miss smoking weed

squirrelwithnut ,

Not only should they get a lifetime ban, but every athlete should be tested 100% of the time. There is no reason why something as huge and prestigious as the Olympics, with the kind of money it brings in, should not be doing this.

Valmond ,

Also randomly along the year when they are training and having to tell exacty where they are at all times (so no hiding away doping & flushing them out) , as cyclists are.

Cyclism went so bad but now they’re tested really hard and often.

MacStache ,

Absolutely. Yes.

Fleur__ ,
@Fleur__@lemmy.world avatar

Ehhhh I think there might be place for a little more subtlety. Someone who’s admitted to doing so probably doesn’t deserve to be banned from participating in a sport they probably love. And a hard line might encourage people to take the denial till death approach which can make things annoying

EtherWhack ,
@EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

I would say that rule should only apply to purposefully taking something for an unfair advantage to juke the competition, like most steroids.

For the ones where the only reported reasoning is being harmful to the user or has a potential for abuse, I would say the decision be on a case by case basis.

My reasoning is that there are also people who’ve turned their lives around and quit the substances in question. Being banned when you are fully “legit” would be extremely demotivational and can increase relapsing. It could also be controversial to one of the ideals of the Olympics; overcoming adversity to be the best you can be.

Seraph ,
@Seraph@fedia.io avatar

While interesting, I'm not convinced it would stop pressure from an athlete's home country. Just increases the personal conflict against those pressures.

Consider a 4 year ban for the country instead. Make it a serious offense.

Stovetop ,

If you have a situation like Russia where there is a provable government doping program, agreed. But if an athlete makes the personal decision to use performance enhancers that happen to slip through the initial screening but then get caught by the Olympic testers, I wouldn’t hold that against the rest of the athletes from that country.

Scipitie ,

I would. Well not against the individual athletes but against their country of origin. Countries screening would need to be better than the IOC ones or en par.

The basic framing is: “your boss fucked up, you’re part of the fallout”.

An alternative would be to allow all doping.

But at the moment the approach is to reward the smartest cheaters and at least for me removed all interest for most sport events.

Stovetop ,

Just keep in mind, a lot of countries are not the US/Europe/China. There are small island nations and city states sending a number of athletes you can count with one hand. They many not have the technical/financial resources to pre-screen and rely only on the Olympics’ own testing process.

Scipitie ,

That is a very good point which I haven’t considered!

Thanks :)

msage ,

And? The fallout of losing access to the games is much smaller, so it balances out.

If you fuck around, be ready for what your own country does to you when they find out.

gentooer ,

Also none of the countries is Europe.

GBU_28 ,

How about lifetime for the athlete, 4 year for the country.

esc27 ,

Make it 20 years, but only if it proven to be a team issue and not individual.

xantoxis ,

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    njm1314 ,

    Are you implying weed as a performance enhancing drug? Should they ban you for having alcohol too?

    catloaf ,

    Alcohol was removed from the WADA list in 2018, so no.

    njm1314 ,

    Why was it removed? Is it that it’s not performance enhancing? Wow. That whistling sound you’re hearing is the point you’re aggressively trying not to understand.

    cygnus ,
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    Yeah, why should we care what the winningest and most famous Olympic swimmer says about Olympic swimming?

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