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Sanctus ,
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I’ve been using this a lot lately

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d5f4a42e-2eb1-4731-9c85-d32e54ec98e8.jpeg

cm0002 ,

On the bright side, another lockdown might just put the kabosh on all this forced RTO nonsense lol

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Probably lower carbon emissions too

Mongostein ,

This is the earth healing itself 🤷‍♂️

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

“You’re not a BIRD, Susan. I expect to see you at your desk on Monday.” --asshole bosses

Kecessa , (edited )

The Canadian government would still bring his its employees back first, just to prove a point

krashmo ,

The Canadian government uses the she/her pronouns thank you very much

Kecessa ,

Woops, french habit that came out

TheWeirdestCunt ,

I thought they’d confirmed that almost a year ago when it was spreading through sea mammals?

NegativeInf ,

Yes. Literally killing dolphins.

unmc.edu/…/new-revelations-in-the-mystery-of-the-…

And inefficient airborne transmission from Mink to Ferret. (Not that they are aquatic, but the transmission is concerning.)

psu.edu/…/h5n1-virus-2022-mink-outbreak-capable-i….

jjjalljs ,

Not a fan of how many innocent people will die from another pandemic, but I don’t think I’m going to be upset if the anti-vaxxers select themselves out of the population.

barsquid ,

I wish they would do so without murdering immune compromised neighbors nor negligent homiciding their children.

Lemming6969 ,

Except Darwin giggles with glee

vxx ,

This stuff will make us all go vegan. With a mortality rate of 50%, there won’t be any anti-vaxxers as everyone will be scared for their lives.

jjjalljs ,

I’m going to miss dairy cheese but I am willing to accept dramatic reductions in non-vegan food for the good of the world. Some people just lose their mind over the idea of eating less animal products though.

michaelmrose ,

This isn’t how people work I think. Instead you will have people who have been primed by prior experience that their ignorance worked out. EG people who by dint of age and health only ever had <1/10th of 1% of dying from covid didn’t get vaccinated and had covid 3 times and are fine LEARNED that vaccinating isn’t important.

If there is a 50% mortality event they will have learned that their shit works long enough to catch it and die while listening to their facebook groups tell them they just need to take some vitamin C. They’ll keep telling each other its all a scam, just normal flue, someone will chime in that they’ve already had it months prior to this being even possible. They’ll shit talk until they die in their houses.

Zink ,

The stupid “I did it and I’m fine” line of thinking makes for a really convincing argument for a lot of people. It’s messed up.

TexMexBazooka ,

Something with a mortality rate of 50% won’t spread the way Covid did, it’d kill the host too fast

p3n ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5bb34bcf-a0e2-4e8d-a440-fc33104670e3.jpeg

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FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It is way too easy to win that game. Which is incredibly frightening.

protist ,

The highly virulent B3.13 form of the H5N1 virus has already led to the culling of 90 million domestic birds in the US alone since 2022. The CDC says the risk to the general public from the H5N1 strain is currently low, with the 11 infected so far in the US reporting mild symptoms.

Yet a single confirmed death of a vulnerable person from the related H5N2 virus in Mexico serves as a stark reminder of the risks involved, should the pathogen evolve.

Of note, the H5N2 virus is a completely different strain of influenza from what this article is about, and this guy, who had severe comorbidities, is the only known person in the entire world to have contracted it. This case is completely unrelated to the H5N1 outbreak, but I guess it “serves as a stark reminder.”

AnimalsDream ,

I’m nearly as far from an expert on infectious diseases as it gets, but - and if anyone who knows about influenza reproduction can chime in - I remember reading that influenza has incredible abilities to mutate wildly and recombine. The analogy was like, if human reproduction is like taking two decks of cards and randomly shuffling half of each deck together, then influenza is like taking any number of decks, randomly chopping up and re-splicing portions of random individual cards together, as well as resorting all of them back together without any regard for whether the results are going to even produce anything that can live or not. But the reproductions and randomizations are so voluminous that it doesn’t matter - at least some of it will stick.

In other words, in addition to the wildly rapid mutation capabilities these viruses have - if you have animals that are carrying more than one strain of influenza simultaneously, those two or more strains can produce hybrids.

But again: citation needed.

argarath ,

I’ll honestly trust the CDC’s opinion that is currently low risk, since they know all about viruses and their mutation rates and chances of jumping from other mammals to humans

AnimalsDream ,

In western civilization everything is low risk until we’ve come too far to avert calamity. Before the 2008 financial crisis, every institution that played a role would have you believe everything was great, right up until everything was falling apart.

With global warming we always had, and still struggle against entirely too many people, and lying institutional vested interests, downplaying or disbelieving how serious of a global catastrophe climate change is forming into.

The only reason h5n1 is “low risk” at the current time is because it’s not yet a human-to-human calamity that is already too far underway to put a stop to. We all saw how badly we all collectively handled covid.

We are now at mammal to mammal transmission, and humans are also mammals. The only actual difference between low risk, and full on pandemic, at this point, is patient zero.

You should really go back to the article and read the whole thing, as well as others that are linked to in it. Because in this one the WHO describes it as an enormous concern, because it is.

sciencealert.com/who-warns-growing-spread-of-bird…

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Gee, maybe this is why “why is my dog/cat bleeding from the eyes” and similar Google searches have been trending around industrial scale meat processing hotspots for months.

YarHarSuperstar ,
@YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world avatar

What?!? How do you find that data? That’s super alarming

seaQueue , (edited )
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Google trends, see my reply to the other comment. Epidemiology Twitter has a bunch of related chatter on the topic too.

If you want to dive into a data topic like this my first stop is Twitter to see what the experts are saying, then Google trends to see how that translates into searches the mass public are making while dealing with it.

amenji ,

Source?

seaQueue , (edited )
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Google trends. Ask it questions like “why is my cat bleeding” or “why is my dog bleeding” and look at trends and localization over the last 3mo. Search in both English and Spanish to capture data from native Spanish speakers (the bulk of the workforce at meat processing plants) and their extended communities.

Google h5n1 symptoms in cats and dogs (bleeding from the eyes, ass, high fever, pink eye, seizures, etc) and come up with queries that everyday people might Google (like: “why is my dog bleeding from his privates” because Americans can’t say “anus”) and go from there.

I haven’t really kept track of all of the queries we looked through over the last couple of months, this was more my SO’s thing. Epidemiologist Twitter probably has some good data too.

Off the top of my head pink eye in dogs, cats with seizures, cats bleeding from their eyes, dogs bleeding from the ass, high fevers, etc all had pretty narrow localization around major industrialized meat packing plants or industrial scale livestock farming.

SirDerpy , (edited )

data scientist here

Have you found those that wish to hear that which nearly no one else does?

SnipingNinja ,

That’s almost a banger line, not the person you’re replying to but what do you mean?

SirDerpy , (edited )

That’s almost a banger line

Thanks. I didn’t give it much poetic consideration. It’s probably not even my line…For example, I’ll turn my presentation off for the rest of this post.

what do you mean?

All sucks so bad that one doesn’t have to be Neo, needs no data science career or Google trends to reason their way to the same root truth of why such is so: True happiness comes from a sense contentment which must be achieved through the cultivation of altruism, of love and compassion and elimination of ignorance, selfishness and greed.

I believe all suffering is caused by ignorance. People inflict pain on others in the selfish pursuit of their happiness or satisfaction. And I believe that there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must take it because conscience tells them it is right.

While the individual can be intelligent and wise - people are stupid, and you know it. From each according to their ability and to each according to their need. Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.

However, I’m invisible simply because people refuse to see me. When they approach me they see only my surroundings, themselves or figments of their imagination, indeed, everything and anything except me. Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

Have you found those that wish to hear that which nearly no one else does?

ryannathans ,

There will be a spike due to posts like yours making people like me look it up 😂

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

That wouldn’t be localized enough to throw the result off but point taken

AnimalsDream ,

If anyone wants help going vegan, I’d be happy to help. Even if it’s infeasible to get enough people in the world to stop eating animals fast enough to avert the next pandemic, there is evidence that people who eat plant-based have better outcomes from getting sick, as well as just getting sick less in general. Not to mention getting animal products out of your homes reduces one of the vectors through which pathogens can spread. So at the very least you’d be giving yourself your own best chance (just keep in mind it’s no replacement for vaccinations!)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=047C-mMQpSE

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

there is evidence that people who eat plant-based have better outcomes from getting sick

Sounds like a steak side salad would be beneficial.

AnimalsDream ,

No, no it would not be beneficial. That would be the opposite of beneficial (unless it’s plant-based steak).

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Beneficial for the human.

AnimalsDream ,

Eating the flesh of an animal is not good for anyone. It’s not good for the animal who was abused their whole life and murdered. It’s not good for the environment. It’s not good for all the beings who get sick from pathogens because of it. And it’s not even good for the human animal who consumes the other animal’s flesh.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Eating the flesh of an animal is not good for anyone.

It tastes nice and is a source of protein, iron and other minerals.

It’s not good for the animal who was abused their whole life and murdered.

True in some cases.

It’s not good for the environment.

True in most cases.

It’s not good for all the beings who get sick from pathogens because of it.

True. But pathogens also exist on plants. Which is why food standards exist that cover both.

M137 ,
@M137@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been sick so much less since I became vegan. I always had a cold a couple of times a year all my life, but now I’ve had two very mild ones in 5 years. I also haven’t had covid, even though my family and many friends have, I didn’t use a mask that much and my country didn’t have lockdown in the way most did (Sweden).

jorp ,

My dick got bigger and I can see more colors

FlyingSquid ,
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Someday, I hope scientists will see sense and add vegreen to the rainbow. Eat only plant-based foods and it’s clearly ROYGVBIV.

AnimalsDream ,

Right, the difference in immune benefit is so crystal clear for everyone who makes the switch, not even considering the other myriad benefits like heart health, diabetes reversal/mitigation, weight loss, and mental health benefits.

Lettuceeatlettuce ,
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I spent years feeling guilty eating factory farmed meat from fast food chains and supermarkets. I knew it was bad, but I gave into peer pressure and was lazy, I didn’t want to sacrifice eating a bunch of foods that I liked, plus I believed all the myths about nutrition deficiency and so forth.

But eventually I watched the Food Inc. documentary, that pushed me over the edge. I couldn’t keep being a hypocrite, I knew I had to make a change and I went 100% Vegetarian later that month. It’s been over 4 years now and I am healthier than I’ve ever been in my life.

I actually still believed the myths about nutrition for vegans/vegetarians when I made the switch, I just excepted that it was morally right and I would just have to except being weak and somewhat malnourished. But about 6 months into my switch, I came across the Game Changers documentary which debunked all of the myths about nutrition I had been told.

I have cut out the majority of dairy products from my diet too and drink Soy or Oat milk now. I cook with it for pancakes and other recipes that traditionally call for milk.

Overall, it has been fantastic for my health, plus I’ve convinced several family members to cut down on their meat consumption significantly, and two of them have even gone Pescatarian.

umbrella ,
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pls not again

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trevor ,

It’s almost like exploiting and killing trillions of sentient beings just so you can have five minutes of mouth pleasure is an inexcusably shitty thing to do and has its consequences. Let’s keep it up /s

Seriously, most zoonotic diseases and antibiotic resistance could be prevented entirely if we’d simply stop doing the most absurdly cruel things to animals. You should be vegan and be lobbying your governments to end subsidies to animal agriculture and replacing it with subsidies for other things we can eat.

commie ,

exploiting and killing trillions of sentient beings just so you can have five minutes of mouth pleasure

no one does that

Lucidlethargy ,

Militent vegetarians and vegans have worms in their brains. You can’t reason with them.

commie ,

I like the militant ones. it’s the ones that can’t stop spreading mistruths like evangelicals that bother me.

Gabadabs ,

The meat people eat is produced by killing animals. That’s exactly what is being done, on insane scale. Billions of animals being treated as products.

commie ,

you seem to understand that I was right, you were wrong, and you are making a weaker claim.

Spacehooks ,

Stock on toilet paper!

NotMyOldRedditName ,

Well, we think we eradicated one of the existing flu strands during covid and we’re wondering what to do with the extra capacity (more shots with less strains or find something new to add) and I guess we’ve found something new to add.

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