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Gestrid ,

I’m curious if this would actually hold up in court as evidence that a person was speeding.

setsneedtofeed ,
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On its own to convict? Probably no. If the technology is hypothetically successful introduced and it pings to police, all they’d need to do is follow a route to the self-snitching vehicle and hit it with some of their own radar or lidar, then pull over the driver.

Gestrid ,

The vehicle doesn’t self-snitch. It snitches on other vehicles around it. It apparently uses cameras to do it. It’d only be able to tell cops where the vehicle was when the picture was taken, not where it is.

setsneedtofeed ,
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

That’s even less functional, and is to my thinking not even close to enough on its own to hand out tickets, as some people think this will be used for.

Gestrid ,

This was several years ago, so the law in my state may have changed, but I do remember reading that dashcam footage submitted by a civilian can’t be used by police to issue a ticket after the fact. It can be used as evidence for or against someone if the police do get involved, though.

To put it another way, the officer has to witness the traffic offense themselves in order to issue a ticket. But dashcam footage could be used as evidence to prove someone either was or was not speeding after the ticket was already issued.

NikkiDimes ,

The Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that “in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right … to be confronted with the witnesses against him.”

You have the constitution to thank! Same reason red light cameras were deemed unconstitutional in most places.

Kryptenx ,

You can tell most of the comment section never reads past the headline

Gestrid ,

I admittedly only knew it wasn’t self-snitching because I read another comment from someone that had actually read the article.

I did check to confirm before I actually commented myself, though.

Maggoty ,

We’ve had the technology for a long time. And speeding really is a contributing factor to motor vehicle accidents and fatalities. If we’re going to have a society that requires being in cars then we need to be a society with severe rules for putting the rest of us in mortal danger.

bittersweets ,

Make it automatic then, why report a crime when you can limit the speed. Cut out the middle man, also defund the police.

Maggoty ,

I’d rather that too.

ImADifferentBird ,
@ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It looks like this system is designed to snitch on the other cars around the snitch car, rather than the snitch car itself.

HurlingDurling ,
@HurlingDurling@lemmy.world avatar

While I wish people would stop fucking speeding (you really aren’t getting there that much faster) and tailgaiting like fucking Talladega nights, I still think this is bullshit and fuck Ford for doing this.

werefreeatlast ,

The need:

Don’t drive over people, kids, pets or other items such as personal property or buildings.

The current status:

People don’t do those things because mostly they are good enough not to run you over. Bad people on the other hand have no internal limits to prevent tragedy.

The fix:

You can’t go faster than the speed limit. Bad people can still drive you over or hit your car or house.

You see how this works? The problem wasn’t even addressed. But additionally there’s the problem of “I’m at point A and would like to get to point B but not faster than the speed limit so the cop doesn’t shoot me 19 times in the back of the head.”

The fix: you can’t go faster than the speed limit. This allows you to get to point B. However the cop can still shoot you 19 times in the back of the head even when you didn’t do anything wrong.

Wooki ,

How to spot a car company no longer innovating

pyrflie ,

Patent Trolling.

JoshuaFalken ,

Maybe if we didn’t make city streets as wide as highways, people wouldn’t drive so fast. I feel like it’s obvious that people will drive faster between painted lines than if those lines were walls. Even lining a street with trees lowers speeds. An indirect side effect would be a drop in ticket revenue, but surely the police department would prefer safety over money.

TheRealKuni ,

surely the police department would prefer safety over money.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/89cbcf9a-32a1-4dda-878a-68fab6e29935.gif

Maggoty ,

Having been in places with narrow streets and walls right there… Nope. Doesn’t stop them.

intensely_human ,

I’m starting my attack run

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs, but they’d prefer to give the cops a handout.

ILikeBoobies ,

Maybe a natural consequence but better than that would be low profile vehicles

enbyecho , (edited )

Ford could put all their R&D money into developing low-cost EVs,

Thus making the EVs very expensive… just sayin’

Edit: I don’t know why you are downvoting. These are economic realities as they exist today. More R&D => greater costs => higher price. Fully Automated Luxury Communism is, unfortunately, not a likely reality in our lifetimes.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Then how do any low-cost vehicles ever get developed?

enbyecho ,

By minimizing costs, including R&D. Further, the lower the price the lower the profit and usually the lower the margin. Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.

This is pretty basic stuff…

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Companies are not incentivitized to make less money.

If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.

enbyecho ,

If only it were physically possible to change that. Alas, the fifth law of thermodynamics says profit above all.

It is possible to change it, of course, but every attempt thus far has ended in authoritarian political systems with even less opportunity for you to be housed, fed and well cared for, much less able to get things like affordable EVs.

I’m pretty convinced, sadly, that this is mainly because humans basically suck.

nifty ,
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

Great, investors have a target to short sell in the car industry based on Fords bad product development

This idea seems like what someone would come up with if they’re devoid from the reality of driving and have only been chauffeured around lol

dual_sport_dork ,
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Yeah, nobody would willingly buy this. I certainly wouldn’t. Never mind the obvious perpetual privacy violation baked right in to a hairbrained scheme like this, but could you ever fully trust it to work correctly and not ever randomly (or not-so-randomly) send people up for prosecution under false pretenses? I guarantee you the speed tattle system will be a black box, some dipshit legislator would pass a law making fucking with it or reverse engineering it a crime “because safety,” and then any time the state wants to harass anyone they can just ping somebody’s Ford to spit out a false speeding ticket (maybe even one that’s egregious enough to count as a felony like 130 in a 25, or whatever). And how are you going to be equipped to argue against it? It’s going to be your word against the computer and Ford’s army of lawyers and experts plus the police, in a system that’s already heavily stacked against the defendant.

This will probably only see any actual use being built into police cars and maybe commercial fleets, but not civilian vehicles.

Texas_Hangover ,

Yet another reason I will never own a ford vehicle.

Blackmist ,

Other than the fact that they only make expensive monster trucks now.

DeanFogg ,

Want to do any work on your f150?

Step 1: Remove the entire cab

pyrflie ,

This stopped being true in 2012. They are shit now for entirely different reasons (cost, parts, recall maint, shop incompetence).

That said it never changed for Rangers.

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

If my car is going to be a snitch, I want a share of that fat ticket money. ;)

Pay me or GTFO.

hayes_ ,

Infinite money glitch?

RagingRobot ,

Maybe they are patenting this just so that no one else can make it! Because they are generous kind hearted people, right? Right?.. Omg :(

bane_killgrind ,

Nope it just takes one jurisdiction to mandate a reporting system is used and then they have a captive market.

Zaktor ,

If they program in an exception to not report other Fords it could become a competitive advantage.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

when are we gonna have biomedical devices that directly send their test results to health insurance companies? I feel like we are missing this for a perfect Dystopia

TheEighthDoctor ,

They could make a system that doesn’t allow the vehicle to speed but I guess allowing it and then snitching is better

Zaktor ,

You should probably read articles before commenting. The cars aren’t reporting themselves.

bradorsomething ,

Noted: driving 3 mph under the speed limit in front of all fords from now on.

Voroxpete ,

Go for 10mph under. Gotta really be safe.

fubarx ,

GM will be patenting LED windshields showing the middle-finger and blurring the license plate every time a Ford passes by.

lazynooblet ,
@lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

Edit: I’m wrong, now I diverted rtfa. it’s a camera system to detect other cars. My bad.

I don’t understand your comment. GM own ford, right? And the data they are trying to share comes from the car itself, not other cars around it.

ThatKomputerKat ,
@ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world avatar

No, GM owns Chevrolet, GMC, and Cadillac.

DeanFogg ,

Ford is Lincoln, mercury and Mazda

Ensign_Crab ,

Not gonna lie, I’ve encountered enough F150 drivers to make this option tempting.

Ensign_Crab ,

I see Ford wants to produce only cop cars.

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