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ohlaph ,

Maybe he should go home. Our protests have paved the road to change. If he doesn’t like it, he doesn’t need our protection in the first place, especially for genocide.

Viking_Hippie ,

Maybe he should go home

Nah, the Hague seems like a better destination for him.

randon31415 ,

Total victory! A final solution to the Gaza problem!

Coach ,

https://media2.giphy.com/media/uNgUzhakqXkyI/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952zuruoyieq63b0s77b30avgcrtpo06t2er7uwueeg&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

Israel is not going to stop until all the territory of British Mandate Palestine is theirs, and all non Jews are removed from it, one way or another. As an American, it’s absolutely infuriating that my government is so committed to helping them do it.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Israel is not going to stop until all the territory of British Mandate Palestine is theirs, and all non Jews are removed from it, one way or another.

You’re aware that over 20% of Israel’s population is Arab, right?

4am ,

“First, they came for the Palestinians, but I did not speak out, for I am not Palestinian…”

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, I’m aware there is an Arab, Muslim minority in Israel. They are the non Jews I was referring to.

SulaymanF ,

Yes and members of the Knesset have proposed stripping them all of citizenship and deporting them. There’s many Jim Crow style laws on the books that discriminate against them, so using them as a prop to show Israel being moral somehow is stupid.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Do you have a source for that? I’m not aware of it and don’t want to be unknowingly defending them if that’s the case.

wanderingmagus ,

cbc.ca/…/israel-parliament-attackers-citizenship-…

middleeastmonitor.com/20201028-israel-bill-to-rev…

Note that simply receiving aid is grounds for revoking citizenship in the second link, and in the first, the definition of “terror” is almost as vague as “afraid for my life” defenses in police shootings in the US.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Thanks for this, I wasn’t aware of that law. It definitely isn’t acceptable to have laws based on the ethnicity of a particular subset of the population. Yet another reason why I hope to see Likud leadership at the Hague one day.

bartolomeo ,
@bartolomeo@suppo.fi avatar

Basic law:

The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes, that one I was aware of. The rest of the law is sensible enough — not much different than what we see in Quebec, for example — but that clause is unacceptable.

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

He specifically said in this speech that Israel would not resettle Gaza. It’s maybe the first time we’ve seen him directly oppose the radical wing of his government that has advocated for it.

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

Well, Israel has proven that they are willing to build settlements in areas they are not supposed to, so forgive me if I don’t take him at his word. But, maybe Israel is willing to give up that narrow strip of land, if they can have the rest of Mandatory Palestine. I’d believe that.

Viking_Hippie ,

He specifically said in this speech that Israel would not resettle Gaza

He was lying. That’s like breathing to fascists anywhere in the world, but especially the ones in Israel. If you like podcasts, I recommend you check out Bad Hasbara for hundreds of clear examples of this.

It’s maybe the first time we’ve seen him directly oppose the radical wing of his government that has advocated for it.

He IS part of that radical wing when it comes to Gaza. What the fuck do you think he means by “total victory”?

superminerJG ,

Hitler: I want that thing!
UK: nooooOOOO—All right you can have that but no more.
Hitler: I want that thing!

— OverSimplified, 202x

Revan343 ,

He specifically said in this speech that Israel would not resettle Gaza.

And you believed him?

gedaliyah ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

I believe it was a politically risky statement for him to make explicitly.

If he alienates his Right Wing, they could dismantle the government and force elections at will. In the past he has used vague statements or diversions to avoid making public statements that could pose political risks to him. No one was demanding an answer on the issue (and he left out plenty of issues that US lawmakers HAVE demanded to know about).

The better question is: Why would he take the risk of saying it at all?

Burn_The_Right ,

Agreed! Israel is a settlement of homeless conservative assholes who have made it their priority to be as shitty as possible to their neighbors. None of what they call Israel was ever theirs. They’ve never had any legitimate claim on that region in all of human history.

About 100 years ago they were homeless and vulnerable, so the British allowed them to move from Europe into the Palestine region with the promise that they would be friendly and peaceful with the locals. But, they are arrogant conservatives, so they shat on absolutely everyone around them.

Israel deserves to be abandoned to deal with the horrific situations they have created with all of their neighbors. The Palestinians deserve our help in defending against these genocidal settlers.

NocturnalMorning ,

Fuck this guy. He’s a genocidal maniac

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck. This. Guy. Fuck. Israel.

Stand in my country and denounce my countrymen? No brah, fuck you & your country forever, balls deep.

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

And yet again we have congress members clapping like trained seals to debunked Israel propaganda and the characterization of anti-war protesters being in favor of the killing of civilians.

“My friends, defeating our brutal enemies requires courage and clarity. Clarity begins by knowing the difference between good an evil. Yet, incredibly, many anti-Israel protesters choose to stand with evil. They stand with Hamas. They stand with rapists and murderers. They stand with people who came into the kibbutzim – into a home – the parents hid the children, the two babies, in a secret attic. They murdered the families – the parents. They found the secret attic and then they murdered the babies. These protesters stand with them; they should be ashamed of themselves.”

*Thunderous applause, standing ovation

youtu.be/Kwi0uD2QlKw?t=5589

This is 2003 Iraq War levels of state-approved disinformation. I feel nauseated.

Waveform ,

It’s must be like one long nightmare for Palestinians. It’s akin to the Great Tribulation, and the politicians who claim to believe in such things are way too happy supporting Israel. I cannot imagine the US standing much longer, not after this and everything else this country has done to the world. It has to end.

SoJB ,

Oh honey, the USA has been committing genocide for hundreds of years. This visit is a return to form, not some sudden heel turn.

  • a near-total genocide of Native American populations
  • a near-total genocide of the Native Hawaiian people (90% population loss following colonization)
  • eugenics programs that inspired Hitler (literally not even a joke. This is history.)
  • using black folks for medical experimentation without their consent (Tuskegee, etc)
  • creating terrorists out of American citizens using the CIA
  • constant ongoing state sponsored violence against minorities and the disabled
  • 6 million excess deaths caused by the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan
  • millions of deaths in Cuba directly caused by American economic terrorism
  • egregious human rights abuses. Read up on how Uyghurs in Xinjiang are treated. Really weird how when it happens to American working-class citizens, it’s suddenly not a human rights abuse anymore.

I was told here that voting blue would fix it all. Republicans brought this monster in, will the victorious DNC do anything about it after November besides… hold their applause?

I think we all know the answer. History will remember them as collaborators.

Waveform ,

You’re right, and it’s horrifying that it continues. I guess I was just voicing a wish that it would end soon.

I also don’t trust either party to fix any of these things. It’s a sly game their playing, and sadly it’s still working -_-

Eheran ,

What of that is debunked?

lolcatnip ,

Maybe start with “anti-Israel protesters choose to stand with evil.” He’s taking about people protesting mass murder of civilians by Israel. Fuck that guy with a rotten pineapple.

SulaymanF ,

No you don’t want the pineapple to be rotten, that would make it softer and marginally less painful.

lolcatnip ,

How about salt-crusted?

aleph , (edited )
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

Immediately after October 7th, there were various sensational and outlandish claims made by Israeli officials that babies were beheaded, put into ovens, murdered in their nurseries, and generally singled out and made to suffer with intentional violence. Since then, no evidence whatsoever has been provided to substantiate these claims and the majority of them have been dropped completely.

UN records indicate that one baby did actually die along with her family after Hamas fighters opened fire into a safe room in Kibbutz Be’eri (page 10), but there were no recorded cases where multiple babies were intentionally targeted and killed in the way that Netanyahu describes.

None of this is to diminish the atrocities that were committed on October 7th, but it is telling that Israel and Netanyahu in particular seem dead set on making the events on that day seem as barbaric as possible in order to somehow justify the large-scale massacring of men, women, and children that is happening in Gaza.

SoJB ,

Also a classic:

Claiming a literal kindergarten attendance chart as a “terrorist check-in record”.

What else is Israel lying about if they are using such brazen propaganda?

alcoholicorn ,

Those videos were so crazy. I guess Hamas hides their weapons in the MRI room so that they can find them again just by turning it back on?

Eheran ,

He is not specifically saying such things, what he says did happen. Some shit got debunked, but not what he says here. So… why call it debunked?

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

No, it did not happen the way he described it. Firstly, there was a baby, not babies. Secondly, the child was not secreted somewhere alone, found after the parents had been shot and then deliberately killed.

Netanyahu is deliberately embellishing the story in order to heighten the outrage over October 7th, and then trying to frame anyone protesting Israel’s ethnic cleansing in Gaza as a supporter of what happened. It’s disgraceful.

lolcatnip ,

“Incredibly” indeed. I give no credit to his lies.

Zink ,

In writing he comes off an awful lot like Trump to me, if Trump were more coherent anyway.

But maybe it’s because he just sounds like a Republican.

aleph ,
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

The speech was certainly written with the Republicans in mind, so i wouldn’t be surprising if that was intentional.

shalafi ,

Why are we allowing this man to address Congress? And why did anyone show up?

ganksy ,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

Republicans

dank ,

And Democrats

Dkarma ,

Not as many

pageflight ,

And isn’t there an arrest warrant for him? Oh right:

Netanyahu’s visit comes two months after the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Karim Khan, announced he was seeking an arrest warrant for Netanyahu.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

The US doesn’t respect the ICC’s authority anyway.

AnarchoSnowPlow ,

If we did we’d have to start handing over politicians lol

not_that_guy05 ,

Which is not a bad thing at all. Do the crime do the time. Am I right?

Viking_Hippie ,

You’re absolutely right. However, when it comes to American foreign politics, glaring hypocrisy is not a bug, it’s a feature.

acetanilide ,

Only when you’re poor and especially when you’re black

barsquid ,

What’s the downside?

isles ,

Just that they have to decide to hand themselves over and that seems unlikely.

piefedderatedd ,

Right. Not just that, USA is allowed to invade the Netherlands, where The Hague is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act

crazyminner ,

Half of them were fucking clapping. It’s surreal.

Viking_Hippie ,

Because his crimes against humanity feed the military industrial complex, to which both major parties are subservient.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

Ding ding ding

Strawberry ,

over a hundred Democrat congresspeople boycotted the speech. The republicans had their staff sit in to make the crowd look full

Freefall ,

Yup, shoulda sat in, then up and left when he started his speech.

IndustryStandard ,

They had so many absentees they needed Elon Musk to fill up the benches. Which is when you know it is bad.

alquicksilver ,
@alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

Gross. Everything about him is gross. To me, he is the personification of every horrid Jewish stereotype. I can’t wait for him to drop dead; he will not be missed.

MagicShel ,

Netanyahu can get fucked. Like full stop. I have zero problem with any Jewish people who aren’t engaged in genocide. Love you guys. But those that are can get fucked from top to bottom. And he is.

cybervseas ,

Yeah but being anti-genocide is the same as being anti-Semitic now.

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