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Joe Biden reportedly more open to calls for him to step aside as candidate

Joe Biden has reportedly become more open in recent days to hearing arguments that he should step aside as the Democratic presidential candidate after the party’s two main congressional leaders told him they doubted his ability to beat Donald Trump.

While continuing to insist he will be the party’s nominee in November, the president has reportedly started asking questions about negative polling data and whether Vice-President Kamala Harris, considered the favourite to replace him if were to withdraw, fares better.

The indications of a possible rethink come after Biden tested positive on Wednesday for Covid-19, forcing him to isolate for several days while curtailing a campaigning visit to Nevada that had been part of a drive to show his candidacy was very much alive.

It also coincides with fresh polling data showing that he now trails Trump by two points in Virginia, a state he won by 10 points in 2020.

andyburke ,
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Open the convention.

All the news coverage about who the democratic nominee will be has been and will sap the life blood of Trump's campaign: coverage.

When they aren't paying attention to him, he becomes ever more unhinged and his mask slips even more.

Chaos in the democratic party can work for us for once.

JimmyBigSausage ,

Harris/Kelly

xmunk ,

Harris will absolutely lose this election worse than Biden.

Let’s see Whitehouse or Warren or someone else that is focused on issues young Americans really care about. Our platform should be consumer protection, workers’ rights, or climate change.

RagingRobot ,

See this is an issue because it’s going to end up being harris and people won’t be happy hopefully they still support whoever though. I think most people are on the same page though

Burstar ,
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You’re overlooking reproductive rights which should be a huge deal this election and imo gives Harris a bump ya’ll aren’t considering.

xmunk ,

I’ve seen Warren go on the fucking war path about Roe - I have not seen the same by Harris.

Pronell ,

I do wonder how a Kamala Harris / AOC ticket would go.

Probably not well given how racist and misogynistic this country is. But it would energize many people.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Not quite old enough I think? I checked and I think she turns 35 this year. Not sure how the particular rules apply.

nondescripthandle ,

She will be 35 before inauguration so shes eligible to be president which is the req for VP.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I think that’d make her the youngest ever. Added bonus to being the first all-female White House, I’m in.

Pronell ,

She would turn 35 before taking office.

nondescripthandle ,

Few things would energize me more. Biden would have gotten a begrudging vote from me at most. If youre going to slot AOC into the VP pick, I will estatically take 4 years of Kamala. To me there are few if any better investments in the political health of the country than VP AOC.

eldavi , (edited )

Few things would energize me more. Biden would have gotten a begrudging vote from me at most.

same here except i vacillate daily on voting for biden due to his history and its impact on my life.

a candidate that doesn’t have a 4 decade long history of anti-gay, anti-feminist, pro-segregationists, pro-corporate, anti-student policies, actions and votes would easily convince me to vote democrat.

jws_shadotak ,

I think that would be too far left and you’d lose centrist votes

nondescripthandle ,

Vote blue no matter who? Or was that phrase just a cudgle against progressives?

PugJesus ,

You do realize there’s more to the electorate than just dedicated Dem voters, right?

Just because we’ll be telling people to “vote Blue no matter who” doesn’t mean they’ll necessarily do it.

SkybreakerEngineer ,

You mean the “unions are communist propaganda but I like to call myself independent” crowd?

PugJesus ,

In part. There are even more bizarre types. I know strong union supporters who vote Republican, but have positive opinions on Bernie. I know liberal voters who voted Trump in 2016 to ‘shake things up’ (I am not very close with them, for obvious reasons). Many people in this country do not have a coherent ideology they vote by, and are swayed by many small factors.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

You can want a very Progressive candidate and acknowledge that you need to win the middle of the electorate in first past the post voting systems at the same time

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a lot harder to shame centrists into doing the right thing.

Progressives have to stomach what they know is best for the country, even though they don’t think it’s good enough.

Centrists by definition aren’t committed to what’s best for the country.

Pronell ,

Possibly, but would those centrists flee to Trump? He’s already got the racist vote.

VanillaBean ,

Bingo. AOC is a no-go for way too many.

dhork ,

AOC has time. If I were writing the script, I would go with Harris/Whitmer, followed by Whitmer/AOC. Assuming each ticket wins two terms, AOC would be in her 50’s then and be one of the most qualified candidates in 2040.

Can you imagine three Female Presidents in a row?

foggy ,

Kamala and Bernie

Let Bernie in the oval office. Nobody deserves it more than him. He’s too old for pres, but God damn would he get shit done between inauguration as vp and his grave…

Pronell ,

I’d be perfectly happy with that. I’ve even got a cat named Bernie Sanders.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/39a3ec3f-c14d-4861-96c4-5edba6979e82.jpeg

crusa187 ,

I would vote for that ticket in a heartbeat.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

If Harris was super serious about beating Trump, she couldn’t pick an easier race than a run with Bernie Sanders. Imagine how energized the left would be. Ahh.

…In other shit that will never happen news, Trump enjoyed a joke at his own expense at a salad bar.

SayJess ,
@SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

…In other shit that will never happen news, Trump enjoyed a joke at his own expense at a salad bar.

That was fucking great

timbuck2themoon ,

Yes the left that evidently commands the Democratic party because they’re so numerous and dedicated…

TheReturnOfPEB ,

Biden has spent nearly his entire life in service to this country.

We owe Biden a break.

andyburke ,
@andyburke@fedia.io avatar

Yes, he should retire and enjoy his twilight without the stress of the presidency.

PugJesus ,

He needs to step down. There’s no other way forward at the moment that improves our chances that I can see.

Omegamanthethird ,
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He should have already taken Trump up on his offer for a second debate the next week. He might be able to turn it around, but it would require things he has so far shown he isn’t willing to do.

And if he’s even considering stepping down, it’s already too late. He should do it now. I don’t know if there’s another path forward, but it’s not with him on the campaign trail.

Quill7513 ,

If we can come up with a cohesive plan that works, great. I just don’t understand why the democrat leadership didn’t even try having this conversation before the primaries. Being the president is a bummer. You have to be a truly sad person to even want the position. I’m not stunned at all to hear Biden would feel cooperative with a movement that let’s him just kick back in a rocking chair and enjoy the time he has left.

PugJesus ,

I just don’t understand why the democrat leadership didn’t even try having this conversation before the primaries.

They may have tried in private, but “The incumbent has an advantage, and we need every advantage we can get” is compelling conventional political wisdom.

Adderbox76 ,

Calling it now: He’s slowly working up to dropping out without “losing face”

Step one: Casually mention in an interview that you’d consider dropping if a health reason popped up. Step two: Coincidentally, get a health issue shortly afterwards. Step three: Casually make it known that you’re “more open” to call to step aside.

It’s not a coincidence that he got COVID and made the health comment within a day of each other. I’m not saying he doesn’t have COVID. I’m saying he and his team knew about earlier than they announced it, and decided to drop that nugget in an interview beforehand in order to pave the way.

aseriesoftubes ,

I’m holding out hope for Newsom. The unfortunate truth is that too many Americans are racist and/or sexist, and the combination of those factors could sink Harris (who, it should be said, I would happily vote for).

There are a lot of people out there who are desperate to vote for someone who isn’t Biden or Trump. The buzz and excitement generated by an entirely new ticket (Newsom-Whitmer?) would blow Trump out of the water.

wildncrazyguy138 ,

You and I are in lockstep on this. Whitmer, I think, would help to deliver Michigan.

I still would like to see Kamala in the Cabinet. She now has plenty of foreign experience. I think she would do well as Secretary of State or perhaps even Attorney General.

timbuck2themoon ,

Yes, surely bypassing the current VP who is both black and a woman in favor of a white man will go over super well.

It’s Harris or Biden. That’s the choice.

xmunk ,

No it fucking isn’t. The only thing Harris is good at is being an argument that Biden should stay in the race because she’d lose it even worse.

timbuck2themoon ,

Ok, so voter groups aren’t monolithic but do you honestly think the optics of passing over a black woman who currently is #2 to have two wholly unrelated candidates be on the ballot (or keeping her as the VP choice) will be lost on black voters?

Just like everyone else here- people are throwing out wishlist bullshit without thinking of the actual political ramifications.

If you were to listen to half the people here you’d have tossed the incumbency advantage even before Biden did that debate, nominated AOC, and ensured a Mondale style wipeout repeat.

xmunk ,

I think that Harris is an extremely hard sell as a former prosecutor who has really poor approval polling. If we made sure the ticket included someone who has done real work for minority communities then I don’t think it’d be a serious issue.

I was strongly opposed to Harris getting the VP slot in the first place and I think she’d genuinely struggle to win against Trump.

mctoasterson ,

Since I never hear anything about this angle-

The other reason it kinda “has to” be Harris if it isn’t Biden, relates to campaign finance rules. If he steps aside, she can continue to use their campaign funds.

If it’s neither, then whoever is nominated basically has to start fresh raising money, and with a huge time disadvantage.

proudblond ,

As a Californian, I’m always surprised when people think Newsom has a chance. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t say I’m a fan but I think he’s done a lot of good (just wish he’d distance himself from PG&E especially) but I always rather assumed that in today’s political climate, anyone from California is considered toxic. Is that not the case?

Bluefalcon ,

Biden’s domestic policies have been great for the American people. His international ones have been a major mix bag. Palestine is his internment of Japanese moment. Biden’s legacy will be an interesting one. Just like FDR, he will be a polarizing figure.

VanillaBean ,

OK so who takes the torch this late in the game though? Kamala? Has to be Kamala, right?

JimmyBigSausage ,

Kamala Harris - Mark Kelly ‘24

homesweethomeMrL ,

Whitmer / AOC 2024. This time it’s personal.

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