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bolexforsoup ,

State police said body camera video and other information tied to the case is not immediately being released to “protect the integrity of the legal process”

“We need time to plausibly lose this.”

T00l_shed , (edited )

However, when it’s the very rare occasion that it exonerates the cops, it’s released immediately.

SpaceNoodle ,

Were you trying to say “exonerates?”

T00l_shed ,

Yes…yes i was. Thank you.

Amanduh ,

What did it say before?

T00l_shed ,

I butchered the spelling!

OtherPetard ,

We want to know how much you butchered it…

T00l_shed ,

Sufficiently.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

With edits, like red circles around what’s supposedly a weapon. 🙄

solsangraal ,

meanwhile, cops also say “oops pardon the intrusion mr white man assassin, please carry on” and climb back down the ladder

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Is this a Hip Hop Hood reference?

Edit: It just occurred to me that we are living in a stupid 90s comedy.

unexposedhazard ,

This a “first trump assassination attempt of 2024” reference

rambling_lunatic ,

first

Don’t get my hopes up like that

unexposedhazard ,

Thanks for noticing :D

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Just in case anyone else is wondering: allegedly a police officer confronted the shooter before the shots and when the shooter pointed the gun at him he retreated down the ladder instead of firing at the shooter.

Delusional ,

Cop was like “oh he gonna shoot trump. Carry on.”

shani66 ,

Honestly, non-zero chance he was the one good cop lol

SeaJ ,

I don’t blame the cop there. He has a gun already on him. Trying to pull his gun would have simply gotten him killed.

catloaf ,

Yeah, and that wouldn’t have helped the situation. Maybe the snipers would have taken him out after shooting the cop, instead of taking him out after shooting at Trump?

The real big issue is about how apparently someone reported the guy like 30 minutes prior to the actual shooting, and apparently nobody cared.

tocopherol , (edited )
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Who is saying 30 minutes? I’ve only seen reports saying two or three minutes, I wouldn’t doubt that though.

EDIT: new info has come out, it’s pretty absurd

WoahWoah ,

2-3 minutes on the roof with a gun. He was spotted with a backpack long before that, and he was also spotted using a rangefinder from the ground long before that.

That’s part of the reason the cop was looking for him in the first place. That’s also why there is a cellphone picture of him on the ground taken before he climbed to the roof, which was taken by an officer that saw him using the rangefinder.

Nobody ,

The only thing that can stop a bad guy (read: minority) with a gun is a good guy (read: straight white male) with a gun.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Yeah that was a crazy story. With all the police militarization in this country you’d think they would have some training to go along with it.

Omega_Man ,

I once got sucked into a copaganda thing in Vegas. (I thought they had Tommy guns). The whole point was to put you on the officer’s shoes to make snap decisions to show why we need to be less critical of police when they kill civilians. I argued with her that this was why we need to increase training and job requirements. The guide did not like that.

cheers_queers ,

… what in the fresh 7 hells? how does putting a civilian in life or death simulations compare at all to a TRAINED “professional” doing what they literally signed up for? lmfao.

Maggoty ,

Fun fact, they hate it when a combat veteran comes through and uses military de-escalation ROE. It generally completely exposes them as forcing the scenario.

some_guy ,

No deputies were injured, the sheriff’s office said.

Cowards with guns and itchy trigger fingers. Watching bodycam videos on YT, it’s incredible how risk-averse they are. It makes the inaction at Uvalde clearer.

NABDad ,

The Uvalde cops saved lives. Imagine how many kids they would have shot if they had entered the school.

Reverendender ,

I would say all of them, but I imagine their marksmanship is terrible.

TheReturnOfPEB , (edited )

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Grossman_(author)

The cops have classes that teach them to murder first because protect and serve is bullshit.

There are several of these “classes” that PD pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to train cops to be fascist fuck machines.

snopes.com/…/police-trainer-best-sex-killing/

Historically, all the force, money, and power the cops abuse are why the Templar Knights were eventually tried and burned at the stake for sex crimes, theft, and satanism. Same shit; different century.

nbcnews.com/…/five-officers-fired-sex-scandal-roi…

Oddly enough the Knights were tortured to death for their hypocritically evil sexually perverse behavior. I don’t see that happened to these pigs any time soon though. But they will torture and murder you for doing nothing but having a bad day.

pyre ,

if they acted on the uvalde shooting the number of casualties would have probably tripled.

lightnsfw ,

I watched one the other day where a black soldier in uniform was pulled over at night so he pulled into a gas station instead of stopping on the side of the dark road and the cops who pulled him over were super aggro about it and from the jump were pointing guns and yelling at him to get out of the vehicle. He put his hands out the window and was asking them what was going on and all they would do was continue screaming at him to do what they say and get out. One of the cops eventually walked all the way up to his window and pepper sprayed him. I think they cops got in trouble for it afterwards but it was so stupid. All they had to do was talk to the dude.

some_guy ,

I believe I’ve seen it and the soldier filed a lawsuit.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

And he’s the lucky one. He survived.

A_Random_Idiot ,

The best part is, is that pretty much every police department says to…if you get pulled over, to acknowledge the officer, and pull over where its safe, and to drive at low speed, to the nearest illuminated area.

and the second you do exactly that, the swat team is deployed and, if you manage to fucking survive, you end up on the ER with chemical burns at best, broken bones or gunshot at worst.

Following orders is not a guarantee to prevent being murdered, just look at Daniel Shaver.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

“It is extremely hard to imagine how a woman who calls the police out of fear of an intruder ends up shot in the head by police at her own home,”

billiam0202 ,

No, no it’s not. Especially for certain skin tones.

Smokeless7048 ,

Was she black? i assume she was black.

CaptPretentious ,

While not a guarantee, it does increase probability.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond?w…

luciferofastora ,

Looking at the picture of the protesters and her grieving mother, it does seem quite possible.

sunzu ,

When she had one problem, then she got herself a fatal one.

Society is so accepting of this, nothing will be done. This is just a part of living the American Dream.

Fedizen ,

“shoot when scared” has been a terrible police policy

A_Random_Idiot ,

Its amazing how the police can be terrified hyper-reactionary cowards, and can use that as justification for murder.

but the bog standard citizenry have to be upright, with 100% control over every single muscle in their body and thought in their head, while showing the more discipline than the most seasoned military official during an inspection, without a single ounce of fear, hesitation, or doubt, Or else we get brutalized and/or shot.

barsquid ,

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.

expatriado ,

how you dare to interrupt my midnight meal

credo ,

Why in our news cycle do we need to rage before there is any significant information about a story, then wait for the information, then either rage some more… or possibly never hear anything again. I absolutely get it. You call the cops, you get shot, that is highly unexpected- to say the least. Maybe.

Perhaps the officer had her dead-to-rights and decided to pull the trigger. Perhaps she jumped out from behind a corner saying, “OH THANK GO…!”. Perhaps she thought the cop was the intruder and came after him with a bat, etc., etc., etc. The point is WE DON’T KNOW anything from this article.

Yet, we are all supposed to sit in the edge of our seats waiting for such information. I HATE it.

This article has no information other than,“Something really unexpected happened, more at 11!”

So, why aren’t we allowed to wait until there is actual information before we pick up news? Or before we post it to lemmy to upvote, invent narratives, and rage away while we wait for important details?

Promethiel ,
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    Samvega ,

    you would see I would like to wait until there is actual information about the shooting

    They never release information.
    They keep shooting people.
    You keep calling everyone else a ‘stupid mother fucker’ while their family cries.
    Your life adds up to being someone who defended systems of human authorities over human lives. This is not something anyone misses.

    credo ,

    They never release information.

    Lies and hyperbole are your reasoning. I’ll leave you to them.

    Samvega ,

    And I leave you to being someone of no consequence.

    TheDoozer ,

    So many of these stories are months or even years after the fact because unless the media gets on it, the incident gets buried immediately, and by the time the media gets ahold of it any investigation is challenging because it’s either so long after the fact or police “lost” evidence.

    It being reported immediately starts the accountability and makes it much more likely that there will be an investigation in the first place. Either you are too young to remember or just weren’t noticing, but reports of police killing unarmed minorities was exceptionally rare a few decades ago. Cops got away with anything and everything. That’s where Black Lives Matter came from, getting the mainstream media (and the justice department) to care when a black person gets killed.

    credo ,

    As I’ve said already, I’m not opposed in the least to the immediate reporting. I’m opposed to the assumptions made based on that limited reporting.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    We need to rage because far too often it’s the cops murdering people who called for help … no maybe about it.

    credo ,

    Then let’s wait until we find out that’s what happened?

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    She was shot in the head. There is a fair chance it was through a window because cops don’t aim for the head unless it is the only thing visible.

    While there is still a lot of info to come out, there is also a fair chance the cop didn’t know who he was shooting at and murdered the victim by mistake … because cops are trained to shoot first and ask forgiveness later.

    That she was shot in the head is in the article btw.

    sxan ,
    @sxan@midwest.social avatar

    Well, because you’re going to hear about it one way or another, and the people making these decisions (about releasing information) have no right answer. Somehow, the information will get out; if the pigs say nothing, they’ll be accused of covering it up. So they try to get in front of the news and control what they can.

    I don’t know why we’re this way, why the news organizations compete to be first to report on something, even with almost no information.

    However: unless it turns out that the cops showed up and she started blasting at them, there’s no justification for you to be murdered just because you called for help. Whether or not you jump-scared a cop; whether or not you have dementia and a kitchen knife, or a baseball bat. Heck even if she had a gun. Pigs have training, backup, bullet-proof vests; these victims have fear, adrenalin, often mental health issues, and an expectation that the people they call for help aren’t going to show up and murder them.

    ironhydroxide ,

    Cops don’t need justification, they have qualified immunity. (The only thing they are really qualified for, now that I think about it)

    credo ,

    I don’t know why we’re this way, why the news organizations compete to be first to report on something, even with almost no information.

    I mean, I’m mostly okay with them posting to let the community know they are digging into it. To let other outlets know. This is all on the up and up. I think what I get pissed at is how people (just look around these posts) take that very limited information and invent their own narrative. That becomes their reality no matter what future reporting shows. It’s sickening how fickle and susceptible people are to nudging towards a belief, and an entire belief system, based on very little actual facts.

    Are there shit bag cops out there? YES. Are there systemic issues with the way we police? YES.

    But, FUCK. Let’s at least wait until there are actual facts about a story to pull out pitch forks. Buncha fucking rage junkies.

    Buffalox , (edited )

    Maybe cops shouldn’t just shoot people at first sight, just because they think it’s a suspect.
    Use of deadly force should require caution.

    credo ,

    Maybe cops shouldn’t just shoot people at first sight, just because they think it’s a suspect.

    Maybe you shouldn’t make up facts that haven’t been reported.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Pretty sure she got shot by the cops.

    sunzu ,

    Look at this guy "trusting the process"

    He must be living on a different time line then the rest of us where pigs are the good guys lol

    credo ,

    Oh- did I say I trusted the process? Please point that out, because I can’t find it.

    sunzu , (edited )

    Well you highlighted there is a chance police dindu nuffin since people who control info didnt release it. These people also release such info when pig is in the clear, delay generally means they are working up a cover up based on prior precedent.

    You trust these clowns yourself, clearly gen pop over "trust me bro"

    credo ,

    Again, making shit up. Where did I say I trusted anyone?

    sunzu ,

    Clearly everyone read your post like that... You tell me why people would feel that way from what you said haha

    JFC...

    credo ,

    Because everyone of you jumped on this article exactly as I explained. With rage. If you knew anything about psychology, you would know that is an entirely expected outcome to hearing what you don’t want to in that moment.

    Frankly, I don’t give a shit, but I knew the same people who would jump to conclusions about what harkened in that house before any actual facts have been reported, would do EXACTLY the same with my post.

    sunzu ,

    Cool... Bye

    Samvega ,

    So, why aren’t we allowed to wait until there is actual information

    I don’t want a world where those in power restrict all information in order to never face the consequences of their actions.

    credo ,

    Where did I say “never”?

    Samvega ,

    You didn’t say ‘world’ or ‘power’ or ‘restrict’ or ‘consequences’ or ‘actions’ either, yet I used those words.

    I was making a statement about why I don’t agree with you. If you want people who reply to you to only use vocabulary that you have, please state so in your comment.

    My point was this: if we cannot judge without ‘enough’ information, we rely on those who control information to allow the possibility of judgement. They can simply restrict information, and you would say ‘well, we can’t judge’.
    The army could start killing poor people in major cities, and official channels could present no information. Word-of-mouth could be present as scurrilous. Social media about the situation could be dissuaded (through murder of those observing) and account posting it banned. “Of course,” you would say, “we don’t have the information to hand. Maybe nobody at all has died?”
    This is not acceptable. I do not accept it. I do not accept the consequences of your statement. I repudiate your statement. I disagree with you. The act of the police killing the person who called them is very rarely going to be acceptable, and I do not need the police to explain their reasoning (which they may never do with any semblance of evidence) before I am upset about it.

    Being autistic, you might find it hard to police my emotions, in a very general sense. Feel free to try!

    credo ,

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    Samvega ,

    Continue to invent your own reality

    Well, yes, I do have a block button.

    harrys_balzac ,

    I have been blocking so many people lately. I probably have more blocks (individuals and communities) than posts I’ve read. It’s one thing to disagree, that doesn’t get a block, but to just have zero empathy and then double down on your stupidity, that gets a block.

    BigMacHole ,

    Women: *Calls Cops for Help.*Cops: *Murder Women.*You: We need to give the cops the Benefit of the Doubt!

    credo ,

    Cops: Murder Women.

    See? You just made that up. Please tell me where in this article that is explained.

    BigMacHole ,

    You GOT me! She wasn’t Murdered! She was just Shot In The Head with a Gun for No Reason and Died for Unrelated Reasons! Ah Shucks! You’re a Smart One!

    RedSeries ,

    You, figuratively:

    “What if she deserved to be shot in the head?”

    You, literally:

    “I didn’t verbatim say that! So you’re wrong! Checkmate!”

    Go find some rope, holy shit.

    credo ,

    Lol, it didn’t say ANYTHING. Which is what I actually said. No “verbatim” about it, dumbass.

    2ugly2live ,
    @2ugly2live@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t care if this woman pulled a Eustace and went “Ooga Booga Booga,” mask and all. A officer’s default reaction should not be “shoot in the head.” And they’re not releasing the footage, which they would happily do of they believed it was in their favor.

    Even if she came out with a bat/knife, they didn’t try to hit anything else? Leg, arm, shoulder, nothing? Neither officer had injuries, so who was shooting at them? Clearly it wasn’t this woman, but the article says they reported shots fired. Did they even get the intruder? I’m not going to say that every case is the same, but I’ve seen plenty of standoff videos where cops plead with people to drop the weapon, give multiple warnings, etc., and STILL don’t shoot to kill.

    There have been many, many cases of officers shooting first and asking questions later. And they usually just get a paid vacation. We will continue to rage until they understand that this is not okay, and that being an officer doesn’t give you carte blanche to shoot people when you get startled. If you can’t handle that, you shouldn’t be a officer

    Signed, Someone who shouldn’t be an officer because I also startle easy

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    Even if she came out with a bat/knife, they didn’t try to hit anything else? Leg, arm, shoulder, nothing?

    Aiming for center of mass is a pretty universal bit of firearm training. Doesn’t excuse their reaction, but it is what you should be doing if you’re gonna fire on someone. Going for legs or arms or a headshot means you’re more likely to miss.

    skuzz ,

    Even civilian concealed carry training has some hands-on courses to teach why it is trained this way. You’re also taught, “only draw your weapon if you have intent to kill,” which is sobering in and of itself.

    This leads to the bigger question: why does US cop training paint every scenario as “time to pull out the hammer, I see a nail!”? That’s fundamentally wrong at its very core. “Oh, shit, an acorn! blam! blam! blam!”

    It seems the very antithesis of the US legal tenet “innocent until proven guilty” as one can’t be innocent nor proven guilty if they’re already dead.

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, the issue isn’t that the cops didn’t shoot an arm or a leg, but that they shot at all. There’s the whole “Be sure of your target and what’s behind it” that they didn’t seem to learn.

    2ugly2live ,
    @2ugly2live@lemmy.world avatar

    another reason I shouldn’t be a cop

    Thank you for the info. I didn’t realize about the center mass part. Always good to get new info 👍🏾

    ShaggySnacks ,

    Aiming for center of mass is a pretty universal bit of firearm training. Doesn’t excuse their reaction, but it is what you should be doing if you’re gonna fire on someone. Going for legs or arms or a headshot means you’re more likely to miss.

    Since Sonya Massey was shot in the head, that implies three things:

    1. There was an exchange of gun fire and Sonya was caught in the crossfire.
    2. The police showed up and started shooting randomly, killing Sonya.
    3. Sonya was executed.

    None of these outcomes look good on the Police.

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, as I said in another comment the fact that they shot at all is the problem.

    ShaggySnacks ,

    I totally agree. The Police shouldn’t be shooting at a drop of a hat.

    Klear ,

    Perhaps the officer had her dead-to-rights and decided to pull the trigger. Perhaps she jumped out from behind a corner saying, “OH THANK GO…!”. Perhaps she thought the cop was the intruder and came after him with a bat, etc., etc., etc

    None of these scenarios should end with a bullet in her head, are you crazy?

    credo ,

    The first two no. Which is exactly why I added them. Are you crazy? The last, who knows. Very likely not. But have you ever been hit in the head with a bat, or do you just like to sit on the couch and pretend what you would do if you were?

    In any event, actual news about this event has since been reported. You can stop pretending you knew what happened and rage at what did happen.

    RedSeries ,

    apnews.com/…/illinois-sheriffs-deputy-charged-cf1…

    Enough details for you to be upset now, or do you think the pot of water possibly had a gun?

    credo ,

    Nope, that’s exactly the level of detail people should have been waiting for.

    PanArab ,

    How is this not fascism? Just because their violence is directed mostly towards minorities?

    werefreeatlast ,

    That goes to show you what not to do. I much rather call a friend…we catch the guy, give him some sleeping medication…we drive him to the desert… Maybe we make a little incision and plant a gps locator. If he decides to come back, you take drastic measures. Nothing bad, just more sleeping pills and a big box return to sender to China or Australia.

    Never call the police unless you want your name on some dirt that will be used against you.

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