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some_guy ,

No deputies were injured, the sheriff’s office said.

Cowards with guns and itchy trigger fingers. Watching bodycam videos on YT, it’s incredible how risk-averse they are. It makes the inaction at Uvalde clearer.

NABDad ,

The Uvalde cops saved lives. Imagine how many kids they would have shot if they had entered the school.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

“It is extremely hard to imagine how a woman who calls the police out of fear of an intruder ends up shot in the head by police at her own home,”

billiam0202 ,

No, no it’s not. Especially for certain skin tones.

credo ,

Why in our news cycle do we need to rage before there is any significant information about a story, then wait for the information, then either rage some more… or possibly never hear anything again. I absolutely get it. You call the cops, you get shot, that is highly unexpected- to say the least. Maybe.

Perhaps the officer had her dead-to-rights and decided to pull the trigger. Perhaps she jumped out from behind a corner saying, “OH THANK GO…!”. Perhaps she thought the cop was the intruder and came after him with a bat, etc., etc., etc. The point is WE DON’T KNOW anything from this article.

Yet, we are all supposed to sit in the edge of our seats waiting for such information. I HATE it.

This article has no information other than,“Something really unexpected happened, more at 11!”

So, why aren’t we allowed to wait until there is actual information before we pick up news? Or before we post it to lemmy to upvote, invent narratives, and rage away while we wait for important details?

Promethiel ,
@Promethiel@lemmy.world avatar

So, why aren’t we allowed to wait until there is actual information before we pick up news?

Simple. Whence does the information come from, what benefits would said groups have from a non-timely release of information (hint: it’s the same groups caught losing footage and running out procedural clocks on FOIA requests), and how did you solve the age old question of “who watches the watchers” that you can even begin to entertain these notions?

Came at him with a bat? What slapstick comedy do you think was this scared citizens last fractions of a second before being gunned down? How many minorities shot first and asked about never does it take for you to make a pattern?

A sworn officer was called and shot the caller dead. Frankly, fuck off. That is enough to rage away with.

credo ,

Everything you just said after “who watches the watchers” is purely conjecture. You have no fucking idea what happened.

Did I ever say I didn’t want fucking news about cops shooting victims? If you could read, you would see I would like to wait until there is actual information about the shooting, so stupid mother fuckers like you don’t simply make up their own “facts”.

Samvega ,

you would see I would like to wait until there is actual information about the shooting

They never release information.
They keep shooting people.
You keep calling everyone else a ‘stupid mother fucker’ while their family cries.
Your life adds up to being someone who defended systems of human authorities over human lives. This is not something anyone misses.

credo ,

They never release information.

Lies and hyperbole are your reasoning. I’ll leave you to them.

TheDoozer ,

So many of these stories are months or even years after the fact because unless the media gets on it, the incident gets buried immediately, and by the time the media gets ahold of it any investigation is challenging because it’s either so long after the fact or police “lost” evidence.

It being reported immediately starts the accountability and makes it much more likely that there will be an investigation in the first place. Either you are too young to remember or just weren’t noticing, but reports of police killing unarmed minorities was exceptionally rare a few decades ago. Cops got away with anything and everything. That’s where Black Lives Matter came from, getting the mainstream media (and the justice department) to care when a black person gets killed.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

We need to rage because far too often it’s the cops murdering people who called for help … no maybe about it.

credo ,

Then let’s wait until we find out that’s what happened?

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

She was shot in the head. There is a fair chance it was through a window because cops don’t aim for the head unless it is the only thing visible.

While there is still a lot of info to come out, there is also a fair chance the cop didn’t know who he was shooting at and murdered the victim by mistake … because cops are trained to shoot first and ask forgiveness later.

That she was shot in the head is in the article btw.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Well, because you’re going to hear about it one way or another, and the people making these decisions (about releasing information) have no right answer. Somehow, the information will get out; if the pigs say nothing, they’ll be accused of covering it up. So they try to get in front of the news and control what they can.

I don’t know why we’re this way, why the news organizations compete to be first to report on something, even with almost no information.

However: unless it turns out that the cops showed up and she started blasting at them, there’s no justification for you to be murdered just because you called for help. Whether or not you jump-scared a cop; whether or not you have dementia and a kitchen knife, or a baseball bat. Heck even if she had a gun. Pigs have training, backup, bullet-proof vests; these victims have fear, adrenalin, often mental health issues, and an expectation that the people they call for help aren’t going to show up and murder them.

ironhydroxide ,

Cops don’t need justification, they have qualified immunity. (The only thing they are really qualified for, now that I think about it)

credo ,

I don’t know why we’re this way, why the news organizations compete to be first to report on something, even with almost no information.

I mean, I’m mostly okay with them posting to let the community know they are digging into it. To let other outlets know. This is all on the up and up. I think what I get pissed at is how people (just look around these posts) take that very limited information and invent their own narrative. That becomes their reality no matter what future reporting shows. It’s sickening how fickle and susceptible people are to nudging towards a belief, and an entire belief system, based on very little actual facts.

Are there shit bag cops out there? YES. Are there systemic issues with the way we police? YES.

But, FUCK. Let’s at least wait until there are actual facts about a story to pull out pitch forks. Buncha fucking rage junkies.

Buffalox , (edited )

Maybe cops shouldn’t just shoot people at first sight, just because they think it’s a suspect.
Use of deadly force should require caution.

credo ,

Maybe cops shouldn’t just shoot people at first sight, just because they think it’s a suspect.

Maybe you shouldn’t make up facts that haven’t been reported.

SpaceNoodle ,

Pretty sure she got shot by the cops.

sunzu ,

Look at this guy "trusting the process"

He must be living on a different time line then the rest of us where pigs are the good guys lol

credo ,

Oh- did I say I trusted the process? Please point that out, because I can’t find it.

sunzu , (edited )

Well you highlighted there is a chance police dindu nuffin since people who control info didnt release it. These people also release such info when pig is in the clear, delay generally means they are working up a cover up based on prior precedent.

You trust these clowns yourself, clearly gen pop over "trust me bro"

credo ,

Again, making shit up. Where did I say I trusted anyone?

sunzu ,

Clearly everyone read your post like that... You tell me why people would feel that way from what you said haha

JFC...

credo ,

Because everyone of you jumped on this article exactly as I explained. With rage. If you knew anything about psychology, you would know that is an entirely expected outcome to hearing what you don’t want to in that moment.

Frankly, I don’t give a shit, but I knew the same people who would jump to conclusions about what harkened in that house before any actual facts have been reported, would do EXACTLY the same with my post.

sunzu ,

Cool... Bye

Samvega ,

So, why aren’t we allowed to wait until there is actual information

I don’t want a world where those in power restrict all information in order to never face the consequences of their actions.

credo ,

Where did I say “never”?

Samvega ,

You didn’t say ‘world’ or ‘power’ or ‘restrict’ or ‘consequences’ or ‘actions’ either, yet I used those words.

I was making a statement about why I don’t agree with you. If you want people who reply to you to only use vocabulary that you have, please state so in your comment.

My point was this: if we cannot judge without ‘enough’ information, we rely on those who control information to allow the possibility of judgement. They can simply restrict information, and you would say ‘well, we can’t judge’.
The army could start killing poor people in major cities, and official channels could present no information. Word-of-mouth could be present as scurrilous. Social media about the situation could be dissuaded (through murder of those observing) and account posting it banned. “Of course,” you would say, “we don’t have the information to hand. Maybe nobody at all has died?”
This is not acceptable. I do not accept it. I do not accept the consequences of your statement. I repudiate your statement. I disagree with you. The act of the police killing the person who called them is very rarely going to be acceptable, and I do not need the police to explain their reasoning (which they may never do with any semblance of evidence) before I am upset about it.

Being autistic, you might find it hard to police my emotions, in a very general sense. Feel free to try!

credo ,

Being autistic, you might find it hard to police my emotions

Lol, perfect. Continue to invent your own reality and any narrative that suits your world view. Fucking clown.

BigMacHole ,

Women: *Calls Cops for Help.*Cops: *Murder Women.*You: We need to give the cops the Benefit of the Doubt!

credo ,

Cops: Murder Women.

See? You just made that up. Please tell me where in this article that is explained.

RedSeries ,

You, figuratively:

“What if she deserved to be shot in the head?”

You, literally:

“I didn’t verbatim say that! So you’re wrong! Checkmate!”

Go find some rope, holy shit.

credo ,

Lol, it didn’t say ANYTHING. Which is what I actually said. No “verbatim” about it, dumbass.

bolexforsoup ,

State police said body camera video and other information tied to the case is not immediately being released to “protect the integrity of the legal process”

“We need time to plausibly lose this.”

T00l_shed , (edited )

However, when it’s the very rare occasion that it exonerates the cops, it’s released immediately.

SpaceNoodle ,

Were you trying to say “exonerates?”

T00l_shed ,

Yes…yes i was. Thank you.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

With edits, like red circles around what’s supposedly a weapon. 🙄

solsangraal ,

meanwhile, cops also say “oops pardon the intrusion mr white man assassin, please carry on” and climb back down the ladder

rustyfish ,
@rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

Is this a Hip Hop Hood reference?

Edit: It just occurred to me that we are living in a stupid 90s comedy.

unexposedhazard ,

This a “first trump assassination attempt of 2024” reference

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Just in case anyone else is wondering: allegedly a police officer confronted the shooter before the shots and when the shooter pointed the gun at him he retreated down the ladder instead of firing at the shooter.

Delusional ,

Cop was like “oh he gonna shoot trump. Carry on.”

shani66 ,

Honestly, non-zero chance he was the one good cop lol

Nobody ,

The only thing that can stop a bad guy (read: minority) with a gun is a good guy (read: straight white male) with a gun.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Yeah that was a crazy story. With all the police militarization in this country you’d think they would have some training to go along with it.

expatriado ,

how you dare to interrupt my midnight meal

sunzu ,

When she had one problem, then she got herself a fatal one.

Society is so accepting of this, nothing will be done. This is just a part of living the American Dream.

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