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dhcmrlchtdj__ ,
@dhcmrlchtdj__@lemmy.world avatar

And this is the same cunt that was blaming “the radical left” for “politicizing” the death of a child under his care. nytimes.com/…/oklahoma-nonbinary-student-superint…

JimmyBigSausage ,

Today we read again from fiction.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’d love to see parents flabbergasted by their children refusing the shellfish daddy worked hard to buy, and making sure their clothes don’t use mixed fabrics.

Paragone ,

Then teach the parts of Isaiah which show clearly he held in contempt the people, of his day, who were doing what the “Jews” who convicted benJoseph, did, & what the “Christians” who identify as Republicans are doing now.

Teach how benJoseph called biblical-legalists “Hypocrites!” right in the bible.

Teach them all the things in their own bible which identify the “Christian” fascism as being the enemy of their own root-guru/Christ.

Here is Isaiah 1 from their bible, so you can see that what Moses fought against a couple millenia earlier ( if one happens to remember that stuff from other readings ), happens this time not within the people of Egypt, but within the Israelites…

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=isaiah+1&ver…

Obviously, now it’s happening within the “Christians”.

Notice, here, that nearly-all teachings on Hypocrites! are in the New Testament…

www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=hyp…

& here is a phrase, right in their bible, of the whole “they call themselves Jews, but are gaslighting” sentiment,

which, as anybody with integrity would understand, is an accusation which can be placed on many of ANY human religion, including the Dharmic religions ( including my own beloved Vajrayana ), including the Abrahamic religions, including the people who claim Science but embody/enforce Scientism’s gaslighting, etc…

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2…

It is a particular kind of dishonesty, and it isn’t limited-to any tradition or culture, no matter how convenient to some ideologies that would be.

Find all the parts of the bible that contradict the gaslighters who call themselves “Christian”, & teach only those bits.

WHEN teaching the now-legally-required-in-some-jurisdictions “10 Commandments”, add this & discuss how this applies to the people who legislate in our countries:

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A10…

“Those who live by the sword, die by the sword”.

Turn their own book’s honest-truths against their falseness.

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JohnOliver ,

‘Teach Bible’… only churches should ‘teach bible’ and nobody should be forced to go to church.

Is it even christian to force a sermon onto people?

freeman ,

Is it even christian to force a sermon onto people

Well historically Christian denominations have been quite pushy to say the least.

MyOpinion ,

I am sorry no. I don’t want this garbage taught in schools.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

when the federal government makes everything a state’s rights issue we get fifty states doing whatever the hell they want

obvious at this point Biden has either lost the reins or is intentionally letting the nation slip

very coincidental that we lost women’s rights and we have a huge surge of religious oppression at the same time a prolife religious right leaning conservative democrat gets at the helm

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know that there is much Biden can do. The Federal government can’t just tell a state no, they have to take them to court and prove that they are violating federal law. And we now have gerrymandered-to-hell legislatures violating federal law right and left and there’s only so much time and so many resources.

I’m not going to tout Biden as the greatest president ever or anything, but I can’t blame him for this. He’s not responsible for putting Ryan Walters in his position and he doesn’t have the power to get rid of him.

verdantbanana , (edited )
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

Biden has been a career politician longer than been alive or you perhaps

definitely blame him and all Democrats and Republicans

don’t wake up one day and magically become progressive

he always has been right leaning and his party could have been at least shouting to the rooftops about the injustices but instead just deafening silence

did he even mention this at the debates last night? how about cop city? or anything relevant?

Good Ol’ Silent Joe

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This news story broke yesterday and it’s the weekend. Give him a few minutes before you denounce him for what he hasn’t done.

We have such a ridiculous instant gratification culture.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

when the place you reside in is currently being threatened as is your way of life do expect the leader and chief of said place to put in an effort to say something on any platform he could as if he is our side in all this

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, again, I understand that you want Biden to say something the second you learned about that something, but it’s the weekend. That’s just not how things work. If Biden doesn’t say something next week, sure, criticize him. But expecting him to put out a press release or hold a press conference about a non-urgent issue over the weekend is silly.

fah_Q ,

Lol he’s been in politics for 50 years. He built this house. He helped steer the ship. He flipped the blinker and shouted shift into 5th gear.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I have no idea what on Earth you’re talking about or why that means Biden needs to make a comment on this new policy before Monday.

fah_Q ,

I’m responding to your instant gratification comment. We’ve given these fossils to much time to change and for the most part they haven’t and never will. But feel free to wait while the planet becomes one paved gas station, and your kids starve, will never own a house but you are thankful at least you are a lucky one and have a job at Walmart and continue to work into your 90s.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Huh? This has nothing to do with climate change or the economy.

ShellMonkey ,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

You done flew that squid into a cloud of reactionaries who get real uppity if their vision of things doesn’t happen by 3 months ago. A story about what a political twat said MIGHT happen is suddenly priority #1 amongst all the other things the POTUS has to deal with on the daily.

fah_Q ,

Bro maybe just maybe. Those people who you are calling “reactionaries” have been told “change is coming, it will get better just keep waiting, these things don’t happen overnight.” For the last 4 or 5 decades?

ShellMonkey ,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

And maybe they’re ignoring things like the civil rights movement, the original implementation of Roe, the progress of the LGBT community and all the other society changes that have happened in that same time.

catloaf ,

The civil rights act was 60 years ago. Roe was 51 years ago. They’re saying we’ve had barely any progress in the last 40 or 50 years. Cops are still killing people. Racism, homophobia, and other kinds of hate are still alive and well.

ShellMonkey ,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

Racism, homophobia, and the like are not a matter that can be solved politically. One can make all the affirmative action and equal rights rules you like but the issue at the root is society and culture based. Educational standards are being fought against in our most conservative states pushing for religious indoctrination and denying historical reality.

You have a wing that actively pushes the militarization of the police over community support and engagement, and those same people trying to turn society back to the ‘traditional norms’ as they existed before the civil rights movement.

Given the realities of the need to actually get votes through, just how would you suggest those things be fixed?

fah_Q ,

Then what good are politics?

ShellMonkey ,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

Because you can put in those equal rights laws and enforce them, along with all the various other things like building roads and schools and such. To think you can just outlaw racism and such is foolish though. You would be trying to literally tread into thought police territory there.

fah_Q ,

Wow these issues are so like you know controversial to anyone with a brain…

ShellMonkey ,
@ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

Don’t recall where I indicated any of them where controversial, care to point it out? I simply pointed that this complaint of ‘no progress’ is ignoring some pretty major progress over the years.

fah_Q ,

So a teacher who is blacklisted and can’t eat or pay bills does nothing to the economy? This is exactly obey or starve. But you know I can tell you aren’t a big picture squid.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You’re really reaching for a reason for why Biden not waiting until a weekday to talk about this is such a horrible thing.

fah_Q ,

Nah I really don’t care. The alternative to status quo Biden is 💯 worse.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Okay, well then since this was about how Biden didn’t respond to this issue right now, I don’t know what your point was.

fah_Q ,

He doesn’t ever have to respond since he has governed the county to this position you dumb dumb.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Well then maybe tell that to the person who said he needs to rather than the dumb dumb who didn’t.

xhieron ,
@xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

That kind of attitude lingers dangerously close to the everything-is-a-conspiracy-by-the-shadowy-cabal line of reasoning. Biden’s a Catholic, but it’s certainly not “obvious” that he’s “intentionally letting the nation slip”. You can scroll down barely a page on whitehouse.gov and watch the president commit to restoring the standard of Roe v Wade. It’s under the statements in favor of Pride, committing to combating gun deaths, lowering housing costs, and protecting pensions. Joe Biden’s executive orders have been the most progressive executive action since Roosevelt.

Here’s something a lot of non-religious folks might not know: the evangelical right? They hate Catholics. The MAGAs hate them ideologically, but the ones running the show hate them because the Catholic Church is their competition when it comes to running private schools and otherwise lucrative community support institutions. Biden is absolutely not on their side, theologically or otherwise.

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

his idea of committing is asking for donations and promising to look into that once the money hits a certain amount

living in the US either way feels like living in a Church fucking awful

card797 ,

I live in Louisiana. It’s not Joe Biden who is making this shit happen. It’s Jeff Landry and the rubber stamp legislature that are making the place into a little Iranian theocracy.

dojan ,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

What does Iran have to do with things?

card797 ,

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Iran is an example of a theocratic state.

xhieron ,
@xhieron@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly! In many parts of the country Joe Biden and the federal government in general is the only thing standing between the people and Supply-side Jesus flavored fascist autocracy.

ArbitraryValue ,

the Catholic Church is their competition when it comes to running private schools and otherwise lucrative community support institutions

I generally agree with what you’ve written, but I think you’re assuming more pragmatism here than is actually present. Bitter hostility between Protestants and Catholics is as old as Protestantism (and much older than the institutions you mention).

Also, as a side note, there are plenty of Catholic Republicans. (37% vs 44% that identify as Democrats, according to Pew.)

FlowVoid ,

The guy responsible for killing Roe v Wade literally took credit for it on TV yesterday.

card797 ,

You’re going to blame Biden for the stance of conservatives? This is totally wrong. Right wing religious conservatives have been wanting to bring christianity back into schools for over 50 years and they have finally forced it to happen through state laws. Republicans want this and are making it happen.

frickineh ,

After reading the rest of your comments, you could’ve just saved a lot of time by saying you don’t know how the government works. And if anyone else happens to read this and think, “Hey that’s a good point,” no, it isn’t. It’s ignorant at best, actively malicious at worst. Sounds a whole lot like many of the comments trying to get people not to vote.

Corvidae ,

… religious right leaning conservative democrat …

Um, no. Biden is pretty solidly in the center, his record is a mix of left and right positions, and his positions have evolved as he’s aged. I do believe he’s religious, but he is not trying to force his religious beliefs on us like some states are currently doing with the 10 commandments bullshit.

Copernican ,

What’s the difference here between teaching the bible and teaching history? I recall getting through Hon and AP US History and Civics with and understanding of protestantism conflicts, Calvinism, and Deism. The law and mandate is bullshit, but what is the actual curriculum requirements. If you are teaching the historical content of the Bible that means you can also teach about atheists that took issue with it. Is there a lot of room for malicious compliance?

themeatbridge ,

Malicious compliance is still compliance. If you concede this hill, the next one will be a requirement to teach the Bible as historical truth. And then it will be to prevent teaching actual science.

Copernican ,

Well I think the Unions and government need to push back on this (the AG already is). I 100% believe that this should be reveresed. But reading the article it states that losing your teaching license is possible punishment. It’s really easy to be high and mighty when it’s not your livelihood and job on the line. If you need to wait it out while the courts settle it what do teachers need to do to protect their jobs, stay in compliance, and avoid retaliation until this gets settled? How many teachers already are in compliance just by teaching regular US history curriculum that says “yeah, protestants read the bible and disputes on interpretation of the bible with catholics is part of the history of America.” I think it’s important to note that the Gutenberg press published the first printed bible. With the increase of education and literacy lay people no longer had to get teachings directly from the literate Orthodoxy. This allowed to different interpretation and rise of different religions which led to conflict, etc…

themeatbridge , (edited )

Oh I completely agree with you, and I don’t begrudge anyone who’s willing to do what they have to do to keep their jobs. My point is just that fascists don’t play fair. They won’t put their hands on their hips and smirk disapprovingly at malicious compliance. They will keep stepping on your neck until you do exactly what they want without question. You know that when they say the Bible, they of course mean their interpretation of their version of a Bible of their choosing. They aren’t going to permit debate on the topic.

Copernican ,

Cool. Sorry, I’m accustomed to being flamed on this thread for not being as liberal as the base here. Sorry if I came off super defensive. I can’t tell if the superintendent is just posturing or not. Without any curriculum definition, what does “teaching the bible” even mean. I agree his objective is probably hoping to teach christian fundametalism, but you can’t make that happen with some batshit memo by itself. I actually wish schools could teach religion in a balanced way. In a pluralistic multicultural society, it probably helps to have some background to understand basics of other religions.

themeatbridge ,

No worries about coming off as defensive, I completely understand how you would read my comment as an attack. It wasn’t how I meant it, but I recognize that I was fired up about it.

The superintendent is absolutely posturing, and I don’t think he believes he will win in court. But I believe there is a chance he wins in court, especially given the number of activist conservative justices we have on the bench.

I don’t have any doubt about what he meant by “teaching the Bible,” and I am certain it had nothing to do with providing a rounded and thorough depiction of various religious and cultural practices of a pluralistic multicultural society. The guy is a christo-fascist and a bigot. He belongs in prison for trying to abuse his position in government to subjugate his constituents.

coffee_poops ,

History is based on historical facts and the Bible is not.

Copernican ,

The existence of the Bible is historical fact and artifact. There is historical merit in studying the various religious beliefs of historical peoples that factored into their values and thinking. Protestantism is factually a thing. Different colonies and denominational belief is a thing and a topic in American history. What made Quakers Quakers and how did that impact the Pennsylvania.

There’s a difference between teaching the bible, teaching theology, and teaching histories of religion. There’s definitely questions of what we are teaching and what is appropriate in public primary and secondary schools and in what subject, but I don’t think there is anything in and of itself bad if the historical religious beliefs and impact on historical civic life are discussed.

DmMacniel ,
@DmMacniel@feddit.org avatar

Can that head of schools lose his license for demanding this bullshit that only leads into the next dark age?

uis , (edited )

School teachers, complying with letter of the law: “Bible says there was flood. Science shows there wasn’t. Bible says diseases appeared as result of sin. Science shows diseases existed long before humans.”

xc2215x ,

Pretty messed up of Ryan.

JigglySackles ,

That’s his m.o.

iheartneopets ,

I keep my eye out for him in public around here just so I can get an assault charge, but I’ve yet to cross that little rat.

x4740N ,

Reason number * I’m glad I don’t live I’m america

nucleative ,

No way this isn’t struck down. It’s got to just be a political signaling play.

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They want it to go to SCOTUS so SCOTUS can (and probably will) make it legal.

01011 ,

If more people actually read the Bible there would probably be fewer xtians.

MonkderDritte ,

How can you teach Bible? Which historical happening in Israel influenced what part, which pagan deity Beelzebub was, etc?

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