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MeatPilot ,
@MeatPilot@lemmy.world avatar

Next up “donor” patches for clothing, donor branded shoes, and donor outfits. Have our state officials look like NASCAR.

barkingspiders ,

seems like a good thread to plug represent.us

they describe themselves as

RepresentUs is America’s leading nonpartisan anti-corruption organization fighting to fix our broken and ineffective government. We unite people across the political spectrum to pass laws that hold corrupt politicians accountable, defeat special interests, and force the government to meet the needs of the American people.

here’s their policy platform represent.us/policy-platform/

they claim to have played a part in over 185 pieces of legislation (mostly at the state level) that contributed to their core platform represent.us/our-wins/

here are their ongoing campaigns presented state by state represent.us/2024-campaigns/

nobody and no organization are perfect but I feel like most people can find something to agree on here

Zink ,

Yet another thing that tens of millions of people across the country would instantly lose their job for, made even MORE ok for the people who can cause the most damage by doing it. Every corporate conflict of interest training I’ve taken at current companies makes it abundantly clear that even the APPEARANCE of a POTENTIAL conflict needs to be disclosed and handled appropriately. Never mind there being literal, in writing, cash money kickbacks.

When it comes to having lower standards for state officials given special powers than we do for random schmucks, at least we’re consistent. From the lowest local cop to the highest federal politicians, why do we not only refuse to set standards but also remove ethical expectations?

derf82 ,

Yet another thing that tens of millions of people across the country would instantly lose their job for

Would they? Vendors in the private sector are constantly handing out goodies to clients. Sports tickets, food, gift baskets and more. Hell, I’ve seen vendors pay for vacations in the private sector.

Also, as the case states, these things are largely illegal to varying degrees at the state level for state and local employees. This decision just said the Feds can’t pile on with additional charges.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

SCOTUS has officially entered the sewage system courtesy of the GOP and Trump.

orcrist ,

Since long ago, my friend. Citizens United was a landmark in my opinion, although there are probably older rulings that showed how little they care about basic functionality in a democracy.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

and Trump

Lol read up on Bush v. Gore in 2000.

MehBlah ,

These people are all trash. All of them. Not a single decent MAGA in existence.

arin ,

Guillotine

interdimensionalmeme ,

Oh Arin ! That’s your sokution to everything ☝️☝️😁

Dkarma ,

Worked for the French 🤷‍♂️

FordBeeblebrox ,

🛎️ SHAME!

Maybe a bit of flogging?

Nicoleism101 ,

my condolences

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I guarantee this is happening in your country too whether or not it’s legal.

androogee ,

I guarantee this is happening in your country too whether or not it’s legal

So is murder, that doesn’t make it not bad if the highest court in the land makes murder legal

Jesus Christ. What a comment. 🤦

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I never said it wasn’t bad. Of course it’s bad. I’m just saying politicians are being bribed everywhere and getting away with it all the time whether or not it’s legal. So yes, this is bad, but I also don’t think much will change because of it.

You literally have to be hoarding gold bars to get punished for that sort of thing in America.

Plus, as others have pointed out, this doesn’t actually legalize corruption because the issue here can still be covered by other laws.

Nicoleism101 ,

Yeah like squid get some sugar in the blood or hydrate or smh are you all right

Nicoleism101 ,

Whether it is legal or not is the whole crux of the thing…

If it isn’t legal then it is purely a matter of the skill of law enforcement. If it is legal then well, condolences.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

it is purely a matter of the skill of law enforcement

This is America. Law enforcement exists to protect the rich and powerful, especially from this sort of thing. The politicians get caught are just too stupid to figure out how to hide it.

Also, as others have pointed out, this doesn’t actually legalize corruption.

Nicoleism101 ,

Well, my condolences x2 then

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s the bigger thing to have condolences about, honestly. In general, if you’re rich and powerful, you can do whatever the hell you want in the U.S. and the law will be on your side. That’s one of the reasons why it’s so amazing that Trump was found guilty in the New York trial.

Nicoleism101 , (edited )

I hear you, well that’s just plain depressing, hope it changes at some point. Sometimes it has to get worse to get better.

When the illusion of a successful country dissipates that’s when the real changes can be introduced.

Unrestrained capitalism will never solve your country mounting problems that one I am sure. At some point the problems will become too severe to brainwash even the most easily influenced voters. As long as they have it good or ok, they can be recruited but there’s a limit and populism is inherently short-sighted and thus short-lived. It’s akin to burst of anger out of denial that can’t survive long in it’s powerful but unstable state of constant crisis. Trump is a harbringer of change and a proof that we hate changes but there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them and those trumps and such only accelerate the inevitable societal progress. I wouldn’t say let him rule because this would be unfair to many people but it will eventually pass and will be a building block for the better tomorrow.

There’s no power in the world that could bring back catholic medieval society at this point.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I hope so too.

uis ,

If it is legal then well, condolences.

Law enforcement still has their… ways. They might suddenly find bad of white powder.

uis ,

Navalny, is that you?

Prandom_returns ,

[OLIGARCHY INTENSIFIES]

NRay7882 ,

When can we start gifting them with bonfires as thanks for this change in law?

Reverendender ,

We taking your car or mine?

exanime ,

And with this final blow… the entire government of the USA is up for sale!

kjaeselrek ,

🌎🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

Corkyskog ,

I don’t think this decision would apply to like federal purchasing officials… so not yet.

Maggoty ,

It’s a federal law, and federal SCOTUS. there’s no reason why it wouldn’t.

Corkyskog , (edited )

Is there somewhere with more details?

Also I meant non elected officials like purchasing officials.

Maggoty ,

I know but if kickbacks are legal for the town mayor in federal law then it’s hard to see how they wouldn’t be legal for purchasing officials. The logic is that after the fact “gratuities” are just gifts.

Corkyskog ,

Ethically one would say so, but legally there are different laws written that directly constrain things around bribery for career employees.

Somehow I am extremely skeptical this ruling even applies, and if it does I think it only invalidates one of plethora of laws and regulations…

If you take any training on how to get a contract with the government there is without fail a section that goes over the at least two laws, if not more, about why you can’t bribe them and how you shouldn’t bribe them in various ways.

exanime ,

regular federal officials were up for sale way before this… the combined “corporations are people” and “money is free speech” nonsense meant anyone can openly throw money at anyone up for election and that’s A-OK because free speech

Corkyskog ,

I meant more like non elected officials, like a Contracting Officer.

exanime ,

who cares about those?, when the Secretaries and all the high level officials running everything can be bought

Corkyskog ,

Because you get things easier and faster that way.

Maggoty ,

It proves that it already was and has been. Citizens United tipped their hand that anyone with money (regardless of citizenship) is welcome to play.

BruceTwarzen ,

That’s not really news, but i’m always shocked how cheap they are.

r0ertel ,

Isn’t this simply the natural progression of capitalism in action? Everything’s for sale, everything has a price.

workerONE ,

It’s not a bribe it’s a gift! But it sounds like they need to rewrite the law. Politicians shouldn’t be accepting gratuities, gifts, or bribes.

Happywop ,

I think SCOTUS isn’t relevant anymore. If i were a state governor I would flat out refuse to abide by or use a guidance anything coming from this “court”.

Zink ,

At this point it’s pretty easy to imagine a governor or president giving the SC the finger and doing what they want.

Unfortunately when I see that play out in my mind, it’s a Republican doing it. Yes, even though the SC is biased in their direction.

31337 ,

I believe this happened, and is still happening in regards to Texas ignoring the SC ruling about letting federal Border Patrol agents access to certain parts of the border.

frostysauce ,

Greg Abbott would certainly ignore any decision he didn’t agree with.

JovialMicrobial ,

The Supreme Court members who outed themselves as pro-corruption need to be given the 'Vote of No Confidence" treatment. Not just Kavanaugh, Alito, and Thomas, also remove the ones who quietly voted for post action bribes to be legal.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

They’ve made their decision, now let them enforce it.

collapse_already ,

Gee, I wonder why Justice Thomas might be friendly towards the accused in a public corruption case. Maybe Harlan Crow encouraged him.

Snapz ,

“Encouraged him” before or after?

collapse_already ,

The critical question, apparently.

Snapz ,

You can tell if it’s a bribe based on whether the gift was delivered by an African Swallow or a European Swallow?

ZombiFrancis ,

Unladen?

Snapz ,

You get it.

Maggoty ,

No, before is fine as long as they don’t have you on tape calling it a bribe and laughing maniacally. The last part is important as without it they cannot prove you knew you were committing a crime.

HawlSera ,

…Am I allowed to pass on to a better place now?

BleatingZombie ,

I know you’re probably just kidding (and it’s funny), but please don’t. I don’t even know you and I can promise this world is a better place with you in it

indepndnt ,

For one, it sounds like they oppose corrupt courts, so that’s a plus!

HawlSera ,

I’m not kidding, but I also cannot self-terminate so I’m not going anywhere anytime soon unless it’s a case of “Mind that bus!” “What bus?” splat

Which again I wouldn’t do intentionally because that would be self-termination and I can’t do that.

BleatingZombie ,

I’ve been there. The only thing that’s ever helped me feel like there’s a light at the end of the tunnel was talking to someone

ZeroCool ,
@ZeroCool@feddit.org avatar

Openly corrupt assholes rule being openly corrupt very legal and very cool.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

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