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jaschen ,

Are you sure it wasn’t Justice Alito’s wife that put it there?

some_guy ,

She even stored them upside down. Treacherous shithead.

You might need to have read other stuff to get this joke. It’s not my job to provide backstory.

Everythingispenguins ,

I refuse to read, so instead I am just going to be angry.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Fox News viewer?

Everythingispenguins ,

No, too angry for Fox it is OAN all day long

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Not angry enough for Newsmax?

Everythingispenguins ,

Don’t talk to me about that sellout liberal rag.

aesthelete ,

Those weren’t his he was just holding them for a friend (Putin).

Bosht ,

‘Lashes out’ every time I see this shit I just imagine him throwing a tantrum like the petulant geriatric child he is.

vk6flab ,
@vk6flab@lemmy.radio avatar

Poor diddums…

JasonDJ ,

Yeah, Don! The government doesn’t belong in anybody’s bedroom! You tell 'em!

Heikki , (edited )

MAGA God, “Let those who do not raw dog pornstars while thier wife is at home taking care of their newborn in her own personal bedroom and store classified material in thier pesonal bedrooms where thier wife will not sleep with them, cast the first stone”

OhStopYellingAtMe ,
@OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world avatar

“…cast the first hamberder”

mightyfoolish ,

Maybe his bedroom is just where be conducted his meetings… More hush payments will be necessary.

PiratePanPan ,
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[he] claimed that FBI agents had been authorized to use ‘deadly force’ during the raid of his Florida property

God, I wish that happened.

jonne ,

I mean, aren’t they always? If someone starts shooting at an FBI agent they’re not going to call their field office for permission to shoot back.

timmymac ,

Thinking that way makes you an awful person.

PiratePanPan ,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have no sympathy for people of a political party who loathe my and my friend’s entire existences.
I’m an awful people for other reasons, thank you very much.

timmymac ,

Well you should hate both of the made up parties then. Be smarter and stop using tv talking points. Makes you sound stupid.

PiratePanPan ,
@PiratePanPan@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Rather drink piss than eat shit, unfortunately. Who said I didn’t hate our entire political system?

timmymac ,

I totally agree but I see it reversed. Trumps policies had the economy going well. He’s a douche. But times were better. They ain’t getting better under Biden. But fuck me. I’ve never voted for a dem or republican. Wrote in Wu Tang last time as a protest. Doesn’t matter either way. I’m in NY so they go blue with or without me. Fuck em all I say but if I had to pick one (I don’t have to and won’t) gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden. It’ll suck but suck less. We need more and better options. People seem to pick based on one issue. I say the economy is the most important thing even though I believe women should have abortions. But step one and then push real reform to the system so we’re not dealing with these dumb choices. I think I’ll write in Donald Duck this time.

PiratePanPan ,
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I mean, there’s a bunch of studies that say the economy was good and others saying the economy was bad, but it did feel better than now. Probably because of COVID and increasing corporate greed, but I’m not an economics major.

Slightly relevant note: the budget deficit more than doubled by the end of 2019, and the numbers show he added at least 7 billion to the national debt (probably a combination of tax cuts that never quite worked out, COVID-related spending and other things)

I do want to push back on the point of his presidency sucking less - Project 2025, which proposes things like an end of discrimination laws against LGBTQ people, ending funding for programs that benefit low-income groups and complete abandonment of climate change policy, has pretty close ties to Trump’s organization and that’s pretty worrying.

He’s also said some pretty crazy stuff on the campaign trail that worries me greatly, like seeking revenge for his indictments for various charges and calling illegal migrants “animals”.

But on the other hand, we have Biden, a man who is clearly on his way out and too scared to deliver on many of his campaign promises.

American politics fuckin’ suck.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden

Are you seriously saying you support Project 2025? That shit’s scary.

timmymac ,

Fuck no. You must have misread what I said or you’re stupid and don’t know what that is. I do. If you think Trump is behind it then you need to turn off the news.

DaBabyAteMaDingo , (edited )

Great! I have no sympathy for an organization that targets innocent civilians so death to Hamas by any means necessary. Glad we worked that out :)

See how fucking crazy that sounds? >!Please don’t give me the same lines about “how can I compare innocent children being starved to blah blah blah” idc. Those “innocent children” are being raped and murdered by Hamas with zero impunity because of *people like you.!<

!Edit: typo!<

PiratePanPan , (edited )
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I’m not going to even respond this in good faith when your username makes fun of a woman who was slandered by the media for decades for having her baby murdered by a wild animal.

Nothing you’re gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn’t a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.

Also: Fuck Hamas. Fuck the IDF. Free the Israeli and Palestinian people. See how I can support people while being against militaristic slaughter?

Dumbass.

DaBabyAteMaDingo ,

Nothing you’re gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn’t a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.

Holy shit you’re serious 🤣😂🤭

PiratePanPan ,
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Honestly at this point I’m just gonna start taking the piss by going through your comment history lmao

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DaBabyAteMaDingo ,

A white person is trying to shame a brown person for saying nigga? 😂🤣🤣🤣

Cethin ,

Is wishing Hitler had died before he did what he did bad? Trump wants to hurt/kill other people. Him being dead would prevent this. He is not an innocent person and is an immediate threat to many. His death would likely be a positive.

(There is the issue of him becoming a martyr if he dies the wrong way. This could cause even more issues potentially.)

timmymac ,

Turn off the news stupid. None of what you’re saying is even remotely true.

OhStopYellingAtMe ,
@OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t believe that hurting or killing people is trumps first goal, but if there’s money to be made or his ego to be protected, he won’t care how many people have to die.

He’s proven this over & over - from leaking classified information to Russian officials- which resulted in the deaths of American & ally agents, to botching (and trying to profit from) COVID-19 policies & procedure, which resulted in the deaths of millions, to his insane border policies, to releasing of terrorist leaders to appease his favorite dictators, to his unadvised withdrawal of troops from foreign war zones, and so on.

trump is a menace. Whether it’s because he’s malicious (he is), stupid (he is), or a malignant narcissist (he is) doesn’t really matter.

timmymac ,

More media talking points

Cethin ,

What would a valid point of discussion be to you? Is there one?

If there is no way your opinion can change then your opinion is not reasonable. If your opinion is not based on reason, why do you hold it?

If all things the media has discussed is off limits, then the only things that remain are things we make up or have seen in person. I don’t really take random strangers online at their word, so those aren’t reliable sources. So no media, no personal anecdotes. That leaves us with nothing. What sources would be appropriate?

timmymac ,

I reasonably giving my thoughts. You’re parroting bullet points from the media.

The source would be your brain anfter observing all viewpoints. Not just the ones you’re told to believe in.

Cethin ,

“Source: my brain.” Yeah, I’m sure you and anyone else would accept that. That is absolutely stupid if that’s the source you accept. Everything anyone writes is synthesizing information using their brain. They may just provide evidence to ensure to others that it’s true.

Also, you didn’t “reasonably” give your thoughts. You totally dismissed everything because it didn’t agree with your opinion. Again, what possible information could change your opinion? If the answer you have is “nothing” (or you can’t think of anything) then you should consider why you hold the position you hold.

I used to watch this guy, who does “Street Epistemology,” for a while, but I haven’t seen anything recently. I guess YouTube decided to to not it. Anyway, you should watch some of this and then consider your opinions in the same frame. If you actually want to think for yourself, like you imply you do, then you need to consider why you think a certain way and hold the opinions that you hold.

timmymac ,

Your time is done. Shut up weirdo commie. Nobody likes you anymore. Maybe online but that’s not real world shit.

Cethin ,

People seem to like me more than fine actually. Are you projecting?

It’s funny, instead of actually engaging in conversation and addressing the points, you instead hurl out insults, accusations, and ad hominems. It’s almost like you don’t have a leg to stand on or something.

I have considered my reasons for my beliefs, and why I even have those reasons to start with. You can’t address that. I think the one telling others to think for themselves has some thinking they need to do.

timmymac ,

You deserved what you got. Hey, Go have a nice memorial day. I will. You probably don’t know so I’ll tell you. It’s the ones that died to give you the freedom to have any view you want.

Cethin ,

I’m the son of a veteran dipshit.

Why are you trying to be an asshole? What do you get out of it? It can’t make you happier.

timmymac ,

Lowest iq reply ever. Being the son of a veteran is taking credit for doing nothing. I actually am a veteran. You shouldn’t speak soft little dipshit.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

puts fingers in ears

“Fake news! Fake news!”

The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.

timmymac ,

Shows how stupid you fucking retards are. I didn’t say I was a Trump supporter. You made that leap. Go fuck off. People not online but in the real world are sick and tired of your thought process. It’s over.

Cethin ,

For his stance on Palestine alone:

“Get it over with and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement,” Trump said. “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to – you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”

The former president also pledged to bar refugees from Gaza under an expansion of his first-term travel ban on Muslim-majority countries; expel immigrants who sympathize with Hamas; revoke the visas of foreign students deemed “anti-American” or “antisemitic”; and impose “strong ideological screening” to keep out foreign nationals who “want to abolish Israel”.

Surely you can’t interpret that as him wanting to protect Palestinians, right?

I could give you other things, like what he said he’ll do to and how he’s treated transgender people, that is harmful, for example. There’s many other similar topics where he as, in the most generous view, unhelpful at best, if not actively harmful. I’m assuming it probably won’t change your position if you don’t accept the earlier citations and you somehow think I’m wrong still though. If you do care, it’s easy to learn more.

timmymac ,

Media talking points is all yo have. Pathetic.

Cethin ,

Wow, you’re a dumb one aren’t you. Are you a bot? Everything you post just accuses everyone else of repeating “media talking points” or whatever. You literally have no supporting arguments except saying what others post is invalid. What does that say about your opinion if informed opinions are invalid?

timmymac ,

I wouldn’t say that if that wasn’t what you’re doing. Be smarter. Think for yourself. Take in all viewpoints and then decide what you think. All I see is idiots spewing what cnn and msnbc tells them to say. Same way on the other side. There are plenty of morons spewing their shit too. People need to think independently. It’s a lost are and is literally why the country is divided. By design.

Cethin ,

I linked the AP and The Guardian, not MSNBC. I haven’t watched mainstream news (by my own choice) in my life. I’m not repeating media talking points because I got it from the media. I’m repeating media talking points because the media talks about stuff that’s relavent.

You need to learn to think at all and to accept that other information can come that doesn’t agree with your worldview and that’s OK. You should accept that information and adjust your beliefs accordingly, not just dismiss it because it makes you feel bad.

timmymac ,

You just proved my point but you’re too dumb to realize it.

Cethin ,

Lol.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

puts fingers in ears

“Fake news! Fake news!”

The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.

Ulrich_the_Old ,

There has never been an explanation of how a person who is a known rapist, known liar, known fraudster, known thief of classified documents, known seller of information which got operatives killed, is allowed to run for office. It defies explanation.

Asafum ,

I have an explanation:

Propaganda works really well.

The things you listed are what someone on the left thinks of Trump.

Someone who is: Tough on Crime™, Fights for Liberty™, Cares for Children™, a Successful Business Man™, Fights Wokeness™, Highly Intelligent™, Protects Democracy™, and Fights for Christianity™, is what those on the right are made to believe Trump is.

Propagandists are why Trump will win again…

I hate propagandists with every fiber of my being.

Not only do they give cover to this piece of shit, they make the right feel as if WE are oppressing and attacking them! They literally put us all in danger by making the right feel threatened by our existence.

This is NOT the same as us saying POLITICIANS on the right putting us in actual danger and actually oppressing us… One is saying Joe schmoe liberal is the danger, the other is saying Mitch Mcfuckbag in the Senate is a danger to us all.

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

Protects Democracy™

That’s one that I don’t think right-wingers believe for a moment or care in the slightest about.

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

“The Greeks were a bunch of woke gays anyway, good riddance” is what a Republican might say if they knew the Greeks invented democracy.

kent_eh , (edited )

Someone who is: Tough on Crime™, Fights for Liberty™, Cares for Children™, a Successful Business Man™, Fights Wokeness™, Highly Intelligent™, Protects Democracy™, and Fights for Christianity™, is what those on the right are made to believe Trump is.

Even though each and every one of those things is a provably blatant lie.

catloaf ,

None of those are legally disqualifying. That’s the explanation.

sinedpick ,

people have been screaming the answer at you, yet you ignore it. The American middle class was gutted by outsourcing labor and they’re not happy about it. It couldn’t get more simple.

Natanael ,

But that’s a non-answer since Trump’s party wants to make a lot of that worse

ormr ,

It’s still an answer since most people base their vote on emotions and identity, not rational evaluation of policy.

sinedpick ,

do you think they even care anymore? They lost everything, they just want to see the world burn. Again, I’m truly shocked by how you all lack empathy and fail to see the obvious.

Natanael ,

Would I try to make things better even for strangers if I had no empathy?

I know why plenty of them feel what they feel. But they’re assigning blame in the wrong directions, in large part due to propaganda, and that propaganda needs to be countered or else there won’t be enough support to actually implement the fixes.

… They do want their problems fixed, right?

sinedpick ,

lol because Biden is brining the jobs back. Can you tell me one politician you support that is ACTUALLY trying to fix the rust belt? No one is helping them. They have been discarded by society, so they are lashing out.

Natanael ,

The Republican governors are actively opting out of federal support programs, what else can the president do?

apnews.com/…/states-rejecting-federal-funds-summe…

Republicans have abandoned them, and Republicans pretend it’s society at large and not them doing it.

CitizenKong ,

Money. The answer is money.

johannesvanderwhales ,

I mean…none of those things are disqualifying for running for office, even if he were convicted of any crimes related to them, which he hasn’t been. Trump is a piece of shit, but yes he has a right to run for office. Now why people would still vote for him despite all that, is much more mysterious.

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

The concept of AI weaponized mass propaganda on social media makes it less mysterious.

suction ,

They were lost long before AI was unleashed on them, get it right.

silasmariner ,

AI has been employed in Facebook marketing for over a decade… LLMs are just the latest face of AI, not the full body of it…

suction ,

Wow, you couldn’t have put more FUD into that comment even if you tried

silasmariner ,

I’m just saying ‘AI’ has been around for, like, 60 years in one form or another. Sorry you’ve only just heard of it

suction ,

I still haven’t actually

silasmariner ,

Not actually an insane take tbf

phoenixz ,

Yeah, you don’t know what AI is

silasmariner ,

Cool, what’s the totally unambiguous meaning of AI that you have mastery of, m’boy? And why do other people not agree with you? Words mean more than just what you want them to mean

kent_eh ,

he has a right to run for office.

The Republican party has allowed him to be their candidate for president.

They absolutely could choose to prevent him from having that role if they wanted to.

johannesvanderwhales ,

And they don’t want that. Trump is extremely popular within the party. Not sure your point.

kent_eh , (edited )

He may be popular to some of them, but he’s also turned the party into a cult of personality that has abandoned most of what it used to claim to believe in.

When he dies (or loses his ability to attract a crowd), the party will be a husk of its former self. They’ll have abandoned their principles which attracted fiscal conservatives in the past, and won’t have their cult leader to rally around.

ILikeBoobies ,

The judges he picked said the presidential office isn’t an office under the constitution so it is up to Republicans whether or not he runs

RagingRobot ,

I think the issue is, if we were to make laws saying you cant run for president if you are convicted of a crime or suspected or whatever, it would give incentives to politicians to try to frame or imprison their political rivals. Then there are things like our drug laws that disproportionately target certain groups. All those people would be barred from running too.

It’s definitely an issue that needs to be resolved. One of so many…please help

mightyfoolish ,

Republicans see whatever they want in their candidates. They even bend to them. I mean “who here has never paid for a prostitute?” Is now something they say to defend Trump. There are no values, their foundation is nothing but their own reflections, and there is no meeting them in the middle, they just move the goal post (which pretty much makes Democrats enablers).

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

They even bend to them. I mean “who here has never paid for a prostitute?” Is now something they say to defend Trump.

My favorite was when they started chanting “Real men wear diapers!” when it was revealed in court that Donald shits himself and has to wear a diaper.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Democrats vote for candidates they love; Republicans vote for a party they love.

irreticent ,
@irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

Democrats vote for candidates they love

Love? For me that’s rare. It’s usually me voting for the lesser of two evils.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

And that’s why democrat candidates struggle to maintain voters. There are very few lovable democrats, so they don’t get votes. With republicans, it doesn’t matter if the individual candidates are lovable, because they’ll get the party vote regardless.

InternetUser2012 ,

Republicans vote for who is going to do the most damage to America and “own the libs”

Suavevillain , (edited )
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

It is strange he never gets flak for the amount of excuses he has for every situation. It is always someone or some group who is against him.

III ,

“Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action”

What’s the one millionth time…

mosiacmango ,

“Flooding the zone with shit.”

ouRKaoS ,

The millionth time is “just the way it is.”

Everytime I step in a puddle, my feet get wet. I guess that’s just the way it is; nothing I can do about it besides stop stepping in puddles.

Everytime Trump is accused of something he blames someone else…

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

“status quo”

anarchy79 ,
@anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

Compare how and why people cheer for sports teams. If you’re affiliated you will support any statement in favor of the team, while ignoring, suppressing, or attacking any statements to the contrary.

You won’t debate a Trump troll out of supporting Trump, because it’s about belonging to a group and showing loyalty regardless of facts. Honestly I’m not surprised he’s doing so well, consider how techy most of us are and still get overwhelmed by what the Internet is shaping up to be. If you’re in your 50’s from a poor rural area, what chance have you got to stand against weaponized online propaganda?

We are all like this, by the way. The inclination to blind affiliation with groups is the result of very deep, very old, very well studied cognitive structures and behaviors.

Here’s some introductory reading that might fundamentally change how you perceive people’s participation in groups:

thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/…/conformity
Sherif’s autokinetic experiment - if enough people around you believe something, you’ll soon believe it too

www.simplypsychology.org/asch-conformity.html
A similar experiment performed by Solomon Asch

www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
The Robber’s Cave experiment - arbitrarily divide a group into two, and watch the inevitable descent into inter-group conflict (hopeful note: if you make the groups try to overcome a common obstacle, fighting goes away)

Leon Festinger’s Cognitive Dissonance Tests - This is an interesting one as well, here’s the idea:

Experiment: Infiltrating a doomsday cult before, during, and after the date of their supposed apocalypse, Festinger and his fellow scientists noted that instead of losing faith, members doubled-down on their beliefs after the ‘end times’ came and went — eventually believing that their work saved the world.

Conclusion: When we have two (or more) incompatible thoughts, we adjust them to minimize internal conflict, what Festinger called ‘cognitive dissonance’ — a term that explains the mind state of those unwilling to accept information that conflicts against their belief.

Spazz ,

That’s how you know it’s a cult

Spacehooks ,

Just reading material to help him sleep! Who we kidding he dr.seuss is too advance.

EatATaco ,

Who we kidding he dr.seuss is too advance.

Apparently not just for him!

Spacehooks ,

Convefe!!

TheJims ,

Also McDonald Trump

“Please don’t be too nice,” he said to the audience in Long Island, New York.

“When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’” he said.

“When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head you know, the way you put their hand over [their head],” Trump continued, mimicking the motion. "Like, ‘Don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head.’ I said, ‘You can take the hand away, OK?’

“I have to tell you, you know, the laws are so horrendously stacked against us, because for years and years, they’ve been made to protect the criminal. Totally made to protect the criminal. Not the officers. You do something wrong, you’re in more jeopardy than they are,” he added.

TheJims ,

Any statement that begins with WOW!!! Is going to be followed with complete bullshit. Trump isn’t even trying to obscure his gaslighting anymore.

Olhonestjim ,

Honestly, the most shocking thing for me about that search was the fact they’ve never reported finding CSAM anywhere along with the classified docs. I seriously expected no less of him.

HootinNHollerin ,

Lashes out = pouts like a spoilt lil baby

Daft_ish ,

That man has a rabid base.

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