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RampantParanoia2365 ,

Everyone should start talking about CSI incessantly.

tobogganablaze ,

Las Vegas or Miami?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

CSI Gender. It’s a spinoff taking place in the town of Gender, New Mexico.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

Lol, perfect.

exanime ,

Tired of hearing about Xhitter… Stop posting every excruciating minutiae about it and let it die already

mightyfoolish ,

I agree with you but we both know it’s not going to stop. We need a mostodon instance to get world famous.

Luisp ,

So it’s a gay-only platform now?

CluckN ,

It always has been?

Luisp ,

No women allowed club, only bros

T00l_shed ,

Hmmm sounds a little… gay…

lolcatnip ,

Huh? How do you figure?

Honytawk ,

Because cis people are banned

lolcatnip ,

Um…what do you think cis means?

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

Gay until proven otherwise

pastabatman ,

I honestly never even considered that it was a slur. Sometimes you are having a discussion where gender identity is relevant, and in that situation it is useful to be able to clearly indicate that someone is cisgender.

See I just used it.

HauntedCupcake , (edited )

I don’t think classifying cisgender as a slur is defendable, especially on its own.

Not saying it is a slur, but I’ve seen it used like a slur before, mostly coupled with “white” and “men”/“women”. But I’m fairly sure Elon himself is against censoring language for that reason (when it comes to things that don’t personally offend him). It just seems dumb and hypocritical to me

TubularTittyFrog ,

if used descriptively it’s not a slur.

if used to harass, intimidate, and demean, it’s a slur.

Liz ,

Further example:

He’s a Jew.

vs

He’s a Jew.

mightyfoolish ,

The word was created so the official opposite of transgender is not simply the word “normal”. Treating cisgender as a slur is just attacking transgender people.

Beetlejuice001 ,

I agree completely. The whole manufactured discussion about it it ridiculous. Conservative love to be able to point at social values and try to claim there is simply an opposite alternative fact that’s completely contradictory to it on the conservative spectrum. Did you notice when they normalized leftist?

xmunk ,

When I first heard it, I assumed it was a slur because the closest common use English word is cissy.

But then I like… looked it up.

Basically, I can understand how some folks initially think it’s a slur, but this conservative overreaction is clearly in bad faith and it’d almost certainly happen whatever the fuck the word was.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

the best part about this is that elon basically is doing the john mulaney sketch where he says cis all the time to justify it but when asked why the n word is allowed, he refers to it without saying it.

IzzyScissor ,

“If you’re comparing two words and won’t say one of the words… That’s the worse word!”

FisicoDelirante ,

They don’t want freedom of speech; they want licentiousness of speech.

CCF_100 ,

sob there are new terms that describe human beings because gender is not a binary, woe is me, I’m so upset… /s

TheRealKuni ,

sob there are new terms that describe human beings because gender is not a binary, woe is me, I’m so upset… /s

‘Cisgender’ doesn’t even require there to not be a gender binary! These snowflakes are ridiculous. It’s not a slur, anymore than ‘heterosexual’ is a slur.

Llewellyn ,

These snowflakes are ridiculous.

Don’t use a bully rhetoric.

TheRealKuni ,

Merely turning their own rhetoric back on them. But I appreciate the sentiment.

Llewellyn , (edited )

turning their own rhetoric back

It doesn’t work that way. You smear both sides.

Cybermonk_Taiji ,

Don’t tell people what to do. That’s what bullies do.

Llewellyn ,

No, that’s not a distinctive or exclusive trait of a bully. Why y’all so eager to defend smearing?

stevedidwhat_infosec ,

Classic South African move js

Honytawk ,

Isn’t it about time to add cis to the LGBTQ+ community?

That way we can make them get angry with themselves for being part of the group, or make them accept the rest since they now belong to them.

IzzyScissor ,

…no?

We’re all already humans, and they don’t seem to treat that as an in-group, so why would it change with a different label?

refalo ,

There is a neofetch alternative that specializes in pride flags. Someone submitted a PR to add the “straight pride” flag, and it was rejected on the basis that it wasn’t a “marginalized community”.

Like bruh, do you want equality or not?

www.bu.edu/diversity/files/2021/12/Equity.jpg

bu.edu/…/inequity-equality-equity-and-justice/

abbotsbury ,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

I think it’s okay for a queer app to focus on queer shit and not associate with a label which is overwhelmingly used to virtue signal being a bigot, that’s not really an attack on equality.

refalo ,

I feel like it is an example of the paradox of tolerance.

lud ,

A neofetch for pride flags?

What? How would that even work and why?

Isn’t neofetch a tool to see basic stats about an OS and Distro?

refalo ,

github.com/hykilpikonna/hyfetch

lud ,

That answers the how, I guess.

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

I would also reject such a pull request. Straight folks aren’t systematically shamed for being straight. They don’t need pride to counter nonexistent shame.

refalo ,

why can’t everyone be included? wasn’t that the whole point?

noxy ,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

no

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

How about a community that includes everyone?

wildcardology ,

That should be the human race.

casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

Correct-- humanism is equality. But some people don’t want humanism, for whatever fucking reason.

refalo ,

love the downvotes. never change, internet

prosp3kt ,

Lol, that’s incredible. But more incredible is what happened in Peru: They declared that being trans is a mental disease.

Ozone6363 ,

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    Hylactor ,

    Believe it or not, your understanding is not essential. Unfortunately for you, truth is nuanced and not conveniently delineated. Just because you can’t grasp it, doesn’t make it a mystery.

    Give me a break.

    Cis people have received an inordinate number of breaks for the entirety of recorded history. You will never be killed for holding hands with the wrong person. No nation has a death penalty for expressing your love openly.

    TubularTittyFrog ,

    lol dude, have you heard of the middle east?

    plenty of people get killed for cisgender love there.

    dustyData ,

    Gender dysphoria, the psychological suffering caused by feeling like you are in the wrong body, is the disease. Being a trans person is not a disease, and using that as a basis for insulting or discriminating is inappropriate. Somewhat like autism is the mental disease but having autism is not a disease and it is inappropriate to treat a person as if it is the entirety of their existence. Way too often illness has been used as the basis of mistreatment and outright extermination. People have diseases, they aren’t their diseases. We have introduced this notion from the fields of ethics in medicine and it’s why a lot of things are no longer used in language nor in concept: the disabled, the retarded, the syphilitic, the autistic, etc. People aren’t diseases and they aren’t their disease.

    If you knew a thing or two about the history of gender, you’d know that medicalization of gender is precisely one of the main historical roots to justify discrimination, criminalization and abuse towards trans people. Medicalization of gender has literally killed millions of people throughout history.

    TubularTittyFrog ,

    combine it with race to see an even starker picture. black women’s medical outcomes are insanely worse than other races and genders.

    Cybermonk_Taiji ,

    “Give me a break”.

    How about no.

    xc2215x ,

    Utterly moronic. What on earth ?

    AncientFutureNow ,

    Because Melon thinks transgender is a slur.

    card797 ,

    That’s antisemitic, too.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m pretty sure Elon has no problem with antisemitism since he thinks it’s the “actual truth” that Jews (who are, apparently, not white) are oppressing white people.

    Anise ,

    I thought he was a “free speech absolutist”

    Silentiea ,
    @Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    For me but not for thee

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    Y’all wanna do a poll for context? Hope that’s allowed, since pretty sure updoots means nothing on Lemmy. Apologies if not, anyway here I go:

    Is trans a slur? Updoot the corresponding comment to cast your vote, or downdoot to be a troll I guess idk

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    Yes

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    No

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    Maybe?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I think it’s funny that you want to do a poll for context but your question itself is context-dependent. Any quality of any human, inherent or adopted, can be a slur in the proper context.

    Is ‘trans’ a slur when it’s Elliot Page talking about himself? No.

    Is ‘trans’ a slur when a bigot calls someone ‘trans’ to insult them because they think being trans is worthy of contempt? Yes.

    crapwittyname ,

    This is beautiful. Shutting down the discourse completely by virtue of being inarguably correct. I applaud this comment.

    sinedpick ,

    oh no the amazingly useful discussion has been shut down by … examining its premises! Truly a disgrace to online discourse.

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    You illustrated the point better than I had the energy to do-- I simply don’t care enough to be that eloquent because the majority of what I get is nonsense in return. So instead of wasting my time, I chose to take the lazy route and encourage people to come to a consensus on this one key point so that the point you made would become irrefutable.

    Neither trans nor cis are slurs by default, but anything can be a slur if used in a derogatory manner-- I think some comedian had a bit about this, but I can’t recall who and I’m sure even if I did there’s a good chance someone would give me a nasty label for saying such comedian made a good point…

    But the same people that say trans can be a slur, cannot deny in good faith that cis cannot be a slur. They are both simple classifiers with no basis on prejudice. But some people will still argue they are slurs simply because they are used prominently in derogatory contexts.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s not the issue. The issue is that Twitter acts like it is automatically considered a slur, rather than something that is only a slur in certain contexts.

    There’s also the matter of Twitter doing very little about the Nazis on its platform other than giving them a boost.

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