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ganksy ,
@ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

I agree with everything you said. I don’t believe in the party system at all. No issues should be grouped together. No parties. I vote dem since it’s the best we can get. I live in a red state so it’s not plausible to get anything fixed but I fight where I can. FPTGP and ranked choice are certainly my goals along with repealing citizens United. Getting back to the presidential election fund would be icing on the cake. I’m glad there’s an interstate pact to bypass the EC. Last I checked it wouldn’t get us to a popular vote without red states but it gets the issue out front and center.

I think there’s some confusion about blue resolve to liberal issues. It’s not that they don’t want to implement them. They are not aggressive enough in the slim instances they do have the actual power to do so (maybe twice in the last 15 yrs by my count) for fear of reprisal. And their ability to convey a clear message or campaign is weak. Also negative messages are much easier to campaign on so they lose there as well. They are still heavily influenced by corporate lobby and some issues will always get buried in the current system.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

I would guess actual polling error or “polling error” based on the fact that campaigning really hasn’t started in earnest. (Biden is still hiring senior staff in Pennsylvania and Trump hasn’t even opened an office there yet.) We should probably expect polling to be all over the place before late September or so, especially with cross-tabs and the tiny sample sizes. Barely anyone is spending the money for high quality polls yet (except maybe the campaigns but they don’t release those).

It’s obvious that there’s real anger about the Gaza war crimes and inflation (which no president controls but people think they do). But a lot of young people are genuinely undecided. If it’s your first or second presidential election, you inevitably make your mind up later than if you already have a party.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I feel like polls are on the level of rolling a d20 at this point.

hperrin ,

Teenagers aren’t well known for having landline phones and/or answering calls from unknown numbers.

Telodzrum ,

So what?

Jimmycakes ,

That’s how these people get their data

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

All the time? No.

hperrin ,

So until polls find a different way to poll the population, they will become more and more unreliable and inaccurate. The polls before the last two elections (2020, 2022) were way off. They’re just going to lose more and more accuracy as more and more gen z and eventually gen alpha vote.

Telodzrum ,
  1. The polls for the last four federal cycles have been statistically above average in terms of final results numbers. I don’t know where this divorced-from-reality take comes from.
  2. Polls continue to sample at high enough volume that cell phone usage is simply making polling more expensive, not less accurate.
  3. Fewer than 30% of teenagers are eligible to vote (significantly fewer due to registration rules) and markedly fewer vote (somewhere near 15% of eighteen-year olds meaning fewer than 5% of teenagers generally). They literally don’t matter.
Bahnd ,

Sauce?

Telodzrum ,

For which part? I assure you that any of my claims are instantly supported by simply placing them in a search engine.

Bahnd ,

The task of providing sources belongs the person making the statement. Until then, your statement should be considered hyperbole and hearsay.

Telodzrum ,

neat

ShepherdPie ,

Even if this were an accurate take on how modern polls were conducted, teenagers not responding to the pollster doesn’t equate to fewer teenagers being willing to vote for Biden. You have to have actual responses to determine that.

TheBananaKing ,

Maybe stop helping slaughter Palestinians, then you wouldn’t have this problem.

juicy ,

FALSE EQUIVALENCY!!! Joe Biden’s genocide is a much more humane, you could even say, gentler, genocide than what Trump would do. Trump would be super obnoxious and mean about it. Biden makes it super clear he regrets having to do the genociding. He’s even building a little island to deliver coffins by sea for the babies who are starving to death while hundreds of food trucks line up at the border!

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

When you do something right, it makes headlines for an hour. When something bad happens, the “liberal” news spends months talking about the Biden administration is failing while somehow never talking about the root cause.

FunkPhenomenon ,

the root cause is generally the President

Ross_audio ,

To be fair, the problem currently is a terrorist attack has been responded to with genocide and that’s still ongoing.

That shouldn’t be out of the news cycle, or even the top story spot.

Anything to pressure the president to actually take action to hault a genocide is worth doing. The threat he might lose an election due to low turn out is real. He can change that before November but the longer he fails to take action, the fewer voters will be willing to look past his delay and inaction.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

I agree in theory. But here’s the problem. We need to pressure the public first. Otherwise it’s a lose-lose for Biden. We need the public to demand it like they demanded Ukraine support. Not just from the activists and progressives, but from the centrists and low-information voters. If you don’t do that, then his best bet is to keep supporting Israel like it’s a surrogate country.

AWistfulNihilist ,

Who’s we and who’s the public? We are the public. The public is reasonably split on Ukraine funding as they are on Israel being a genocide. Just along different lines.

No one agrees on any of this and that’s part of the problem.

Omegamanthethird ,
@Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

“We” is the people who view the situation as genocide. The public is the majority, specifically centrists/moderates/low information voters. Ukraine had overwhelming support from from “the public”. That’s who you have to convince.

And yes, I agree that is part of the problem.

AWistfulNihilist ,

I would say currently the majority does agree that Israel is engaging in genocide or near genocide behavior at this point, at least in the US. The actions of Israel are doing amazing work of convincing people at the very least.

gregorum ,

Headline law say no

foggy ,

Television station creates panic, suggest you keep watching TV to stay on top of it.

Tune in at 11 for more

disguy_ovahea ,

It’s a failure of the news and social media. If they read about the massive green initiatives, increased corporate and wealth taxes, ending food supply chain greedflation, advancing equity and racial justice, student loan reimbursement, and housing affordability, they may feel differently.

Instead, they think Trump will “shake up the system.” All he did with his last term was roll back safety and environmental regulations on business, and implement a tax break that expired after four years for the low and middle class but remains intact for the wealthy today.

ShepherdPie ,

Just because people don’t support Biden doesn’t mean they’re voting for Trump. This is a false dichotomy.

disguy_ovahea ,

Unfortunately, that’s the nature of US elections. Maybe one day it’ll change, but for now these are the only votes that will carry through the Electoral College.

FWIW I’d love to see us remove the Electoral College, abolish Gerrymandering, and implement ranked-choice voting to introduce more parties to the table.

juicy ,

All you Blue MAGA folks pretend like their aren’t any candidates with basic human decency running for president. Guess what? I have my choice of three candidates who have at least a bare minimum of human decency. And you have three candidates who support genocide. You make your choice; I’ll make mine.

disguy_ovahea ,

I’m not suggesting you make a different choice than the two. I’m stating that it will not affect US elections in their current structure. You do you.

Asafum ,

What?

Are you talking about the primaries? I’m like 99.9999% sure they all dropped out. You’re stuck with Trump and we’re stuck with Biden.

juicy ,

I’m talking about the general

jkrtn ,

Scribbling over that section of the ballot is also a distinct choice you have. That would affect the outcome just as much as voting third party.

“Blue MAGA.” It’s wild how far-right actors have the self-awareness to write “Blueanon” or “Blue MAGA.” Cool to see their strategies are working and the term is getting picked up with other groups.

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

that’s the nature of US elections

then they arent really democratic are they

disguy_ovahea ,

It’s a representative democracy, not a direct democracy. The founders created the Electoral College to assist in elections due to lack of nationwide information on the candidates. That’s clearly not an issue anymore.

umbrella , (edited )
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

yeah, if the parties are putting out only two candidades that people hate, maybe thats not a good idea

disguy_ovahea ,

The National Committees (DNC and RNC) produce the candidates.

rayyy ,

Unfortunately, there are only TWO choices in the 2024 election - you are either voting for democracy or dictatorship - period

ShepherdPie ,

When is the democracy supposed to start?

juicy ,

No, you’re either voting for genocide or human decency - period.

randon31415 ,

Genocide AND human decency VS an end to democracy and just not caring about anyone outside the border short of a migrant caravan.

dogslayeggs ,

I think you left off the part of the second candidate encouraging more genocide along with ending democracy.

randon31415 ,

Not encouraging, just not standing in the way of it happening.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

no one is promising to end democracy

FutileRecipe ,

no one is promising to end democracy

Didn’t one candidate say they would literally be a dictator…“but only on day one.” I find it hard to trust anyone who ways they’d be a dictator any amount of time, and then stop. Dictatorship and democracy are polar opposites.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

with the rise of executive power from executive orders, every president is a dictator say one, rolling back previous administration policy and implementing their own.

FutileRecipe ,

every president is a dictator day one, rolling back previous administration policy and implementing their own.

That’s not what a dictatorship is. A dictatorship is where one person (the dictator) has almost complete control over the government with few, if any, restrictions. Executive orders can only be within the President’s authority, and can also be overturned by Congress or the Supreme Court. To link executive orders to a dictatorship shows a misunderstanding of executive orders, dictatorships, or both.

Also, in the quote of being a “dictator for just one day,” executive orders were not mentioned, if I remember correctly. And no democratic President should ever think of themselves as a dictator or wish they were one.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

To link executive orders to a dictatorship shows a misunderstanding of executive orders, dictatorships, or both.

Also, in the quote of being a “dictator for just one day,” executive orders were not mentioned

no one is accusing trump of being a knowledgeable statesman.

FutileRecipe ,

no one is accusing trump of being a knowledgeable statesman.

That was actually you who linked them, not him. And they shouldn’t be linked. Executive orders are not a dictatorship. But let’s say he meant, even though he’s famous for saying what he means with no filter.

Even after campaigning for it, holding the office for 4 years, presumably keeping an eye on his successor for 4 years, and now campaigning for it again? You’d think he’d know the basics of what is a democracy, what is a dictatorship, what executive orders do, and what do the different branches of government roughly do…you know, the basics that were taught in middle school, and elaborated on in high school. These aren’t niche laws or obscure cases we’re talking about, but what should be common sense to the common man…much more so for someone who’s running for the job. Willful ignorance is not an excuse, especially at that level…if that’s what this is.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

i think he’s a dummy, and he may be operating on my folksy definition of “dictator”. my assumption is just as valid as yours.

so it’s dumb to say it that way, but i don’t believe he ever said he’s planning to “end democracy” or even meant to imply that.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not what a dictatorship is. A dictatorship is where one person (the dictator) has almost complete control over the government with few, if any, restrictions.

they are literally creating policy by dictate. your pet definition seems crafted to exclude this obvious use of dictate.

FutileRecipe ,

they are literally creating policy by dictate. your pet definition seems crafted to exclude this obvious use of dictate.

Someone who “dictates” is not necessarily a dictator. These are not my “pet definitions” but accepted definitions of what a dictator/dictatorship is in the political sphere. It’s called context.

No one in the government should say “I’m going to dictate policy that I have control over, but this policy can be overturned by the other two branches. Thus, I’m a dictator.” That’s not what that word means. You are trying to use a nonspecific definition out of context to justify defending a wannabe dictator.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

These are not my “pet definitions” but accepted definitions of what a dictator/dictatorship is in the political sphere. It’s called context.

can you substantiate this claim, that governing by dictate is not an accepted definition"in the political sphere". while we’re on it, what do you define as “the political sphere”?

FutileRecipe ,

can you substantiate this claim, that governing by dictate is not an accepted definition"in the political sphere".

Because it’s context. No, I don’t think there’s an official “when talking about X, only this definition of this word can mean this” book. But I honestly feel like you’re arguing in bad faith or being obtuse on purpose. For example, I feel like you’re arguing “a bad story came out about republicans…how do we know they meant members of the GOP? One definition is “favoring, supporting, or advocating a republic,” so just maybe they’re talking about people who like the game (or characters in) Star Wars: The Old Republic… that’s about republics, and they never mentioned party…now that we’re on about parties, maybe they meant a rave?”

If you’re not doing that on purpose, let me assure you that when people are talking about a leader of a government (as the President is) and the word “dictator” comes up about them, no one ever means merely someone who dictates. They always mean leader of a dictatorship.

while we’re on it, what do you define as “the political sphere”?

Relating to politics, especially members of/in charge of politics.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

No one in the government should say “I’m going to dictate policy that I have control over, but this policy can be overturned by the other two branches. Thus, I’m a dictator.” That’s not what that word means. You are trying to use a nonspecific definition out of context to justify defending a wannabe dictator.

i’m not defending a wannabe dictator. i’m explicitly saying i think trump’s stupid, and i don’t believe he meant “dictator” in the same sense that you insist he must have meant it.

jkrtn ,

Insurrecting against a country because they voted for someone else is a pretty solid promise on its own.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

he disputes that accusation

jkrtn ,

Yes, along with hundreds of other facts.

federatingIsTooHard ,
@federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

right. i have no reason to believe he believes he was trying to overthrow the government nor that he was planning to end democracy.

jkrtn ,

He literally told you he would not accept the election results unless he won. You have every reason to believe he was and is trying to overthrow the government, but you are deliberately ignoring them.

federatingIsTooHard ,
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    jkrtn ,

    You are a clown if you will take a proven liar’s posthoc word that he didn’t mean the literal denotation of what he previously said before he committed a crime. No it doesn’t fall flat. You are just a willfully deluded far-right cultist. Good luck with all that.

    federatingIsTooHard ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    i’m not far right at all.

    federatingIsTooHard ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    it’s my reading that you think facts are incontrivertible, but, actually, they are claims that can be proven or disproven. therefore some facts are false.

    jkrtn ,

    “All the evidence is fake” only works on you far right guys.

    federatingIsTooHard ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    baby, i’m an anarchist

    jkrtn ,

    Nah

    federatingIsTooHard ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    i would know.

    federatingIsTooHard ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    www.vocabulary.com/…/true-facts-and-false-facts/

    i hope this helps you

    dogslayeggs ,

    Wait, which candidate in your analysis is the candidate representing human decency?

    jkrtn ,

    They intend to throw their ballot in the trash as a protest. It’s either far-right rabble rousing or some profound cishet white privilege that they don’t care if Donald “finish the job” Trump takes over with this conflict, continues to erode human rights from our neighbors, accelerates the destruction of the environment, and ends elections for good this time.

    juicy ,

    Jill Stein, Cornel West, De La Cruz

    rusticus ,

    lol. 29day account. Nice try Putin.

    hperrin ,

    Only one of two people is going to win. It’s about as true of a dichotomy as you can get in politics. Your other option is to throw away your vote, which is the same as not voting.

    juicy ,

    There are at least six people running. Three are running on the genocide platform, three are running on the human decency platform. It’s about as true of a dichotomy as you can get in politics.

    hperrin ,

    Two of those people have a chance at winning. Four of those people have a chance at splitting the vote enough that the other of the two wins.

    I don’t like that that’s how our system is. It’s fucked. But that is how our system is.

    jkrtn ,

    He’s like a dude playing the lotto. “Well either I win or I don’t, that’s two possible outcomes… 50/50 chance.”

    juicy ,

    One of them is actively aiding an ongoing genocide. You are shilling for them. I hope you sleep well at night

    hperrin ,

    If living in this reality means I’m a shill, then I guess I’m a shill. How much do you want to bet me that someone other than Biden or Trump will win? If you’re willing to bet anything on that, then you’re a damned fool.

    I’m sorry that we don’t live in your fantasy world where we actually do have another choice. It sounds nice there. But since we live in the real world, you have two choices. Biden or Trump. Since Trump is actually a fascist who wants to end democracy in the United States, I’ll be voting for Biden, thanks.

    WhatsThePoint ,

    It seems the billions the billionaire foundation networks have spent to shift the country right and create a network of friendly legislatures to obstruct any progressive policy has paid off. Please read the book “Dark Money” by Jane Mayer to understand how truly deep this well coordinated problem goes.

    catloaf ,

    It passes the smell test. Maybe the Democrats should consider taking positions that represent the people.

    ganksy ,
    @ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

    Are they closer than the positions the GOP offers?

    FuglyDuck , (edited )
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    “Hey, we’re less awful than the GOP. vote for us”

    Is a reason to not vote for the GOP. However, it is not a reason to vote DNC.

    “Hey, we care about you and are taking these steps to help you.” is a reason to vote DNC.

    Moving to the right because it’s still less-far-right is going to lose votes. it’s that simple.

    ShepherdPie ,

    You’d think they would have figured this out after 2016 yet here we are again in the exact same position for the third time in a row…

    ganksy ,
    @ganksy@lemmy.world avatar

    Democrat positions:

    • Tax increase for over 400k earners
    • Medicaid/care expansion
    • Food for school kids
    • Access to abortion
    • support for women’s health services
    • Stronger SEC
    • Clean energy (at least more than the other)
    • Student loan forgiveness
    • Separate church and state
    • DEI
    • Gun laws
    • Rights for animals
    • Eliminating cash bail
    • Programs for drug abuse
    • Programs for homeless
    • Trans healthcare services
    • Gay marriage
    • NATO
    • Large subsidies for rural broadband
    • Investment in infrastructure
    • Environmental protection
    • Help Ukraine get back it’s country
    • Unfortunately, bombs for Israel and no accountability
    • Some level of fealty to corporate world

    Republican positions:

    • Drill baby drill
    • No abortion
    • No access to contraception
    • Christian nation
    • No diversity or inclusion of minorities
    • Guns show at the school
    • Fuck the poor, shoulda pulled up bootstraps
    • Fuck the homeless, go to jail
    • Minorities are the problem
    • Free speech for hate
    • Gay conversion therapy
    • Back out of NATO
    • Fill the privatized prisons with the have-nots
    • Child labor/marriage
    • Privatize Medicare/SS
    • Remove social nets for the poor
    • Remove EPA
    • Tax system/market rules designed by private corp
    • Wipe Palestine off the map
    • Forfit Ukraine to Russia

    So how does that line up for ya both sides bullshit

    *Edit bullets for readability

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Not saying dems don’t have a better agenda.

    (Though I do say they’re incapable or unwilling of doing enough for that agenda,)

    The reality is, however, the argument in lemmy comments is rarely this. It’s “Trump bad you dipshit trump supporter”.

    As for the aside up above… republicans are definitely winning the long game because democrats are not willing to pull the needle further left, just fight to keep it from going much further right.

    ganksy ,
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    Fear mongering and obstructionism are more effective. I cannot disagree.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Fearmongering works?

    ‘Member 2016?

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    juicy ,

    Democrat: old genocidal ghoul Republican: old genocidal ghoul

    Nah, not really

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    juicy ,

    How many children are on the brink of starvation in Ukraine?

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