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KillingTimeItself ,

i would venture that the motive is likely, almost certainly. Political.

NatakuNox ,
@NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

A Jewish anit zionest democratic socialist, has enemies in today’s upside down world.

juicy , (edited )

Bernie is a Zionist. What are you talking about? Yes, he eventually called for a ceasefire (as late as Dec. 10 he refused to call for a permanent ceasefire), but he’s never said anything remotely anti-Zionist. He’s repeatedly declared Israel’s right to defend it’s settler-colonial apartheid self.

He’s also campaigning for Biden while Biden actively ships 2,000 lb bombs to Israel to use in Gaza.

Bernie isn’t progressive. He’s betrayed the people and children of Gaza, supporting one of the chief defenders and supporters of their genocide.

During a presidential debate in the same year in Atlanta, Sanders embarked on another contradiction: “It is no longer good enough for us to be pro-Israel, I am pro-Israel, but we must treat the Palestinians with the dignity they deserve.” Being pro-Israel is being pro-colonialism, for the simple reason that Israel is a colonial enterprise that thrives upon the dispossession of the Palestinian people.

middleeastmonitor.com/20231107-bernie-sanders-and…

Just_Pizza_Crust ,

[Author] is an independent researcher, freelance journalist, book reviewer and blogger.

That’s just like, your opinion dude.

Seriously though, it’s an option piece from a freelancer. Opinions are not considered a form of evidence, nor is the author an expert in any field.

juicy ,

Your ad hominem doesn’t address any of the actual substance of my post, namely that Sanders has asserted Israel’s right to defend itself and has said he supports Israel.

bradorsomething ,

Is “Republican” a motive?

Can… can it be one? Please?

Nastybutler ,

motive is unclear

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ca6816f1-8121-482b-b587-7e440e51f2ac.gif

RedAggroBest ,

Yes lol. Do they hate that he’s Jewish? Or that he’s anti-Zionist? Or maybe they hate socialism? There’s a lot for shitty people to hate about Sanders

juicy ,

Bernie is not anti-Zionist. He’s repeatedly emphasized Israel has a right to defend it’s settler colonial apartheid self. He’s a Zionist.

During a presidential debate in the same year in Atlanta, Sanders embarked on another contradiction: “It is no longer good enough for us to be pro-Israel, I am pro-Israel, but we must treat the Palestinians with the dignity they deserve.” Being pro-Israel is being pro-colonialism, for the simple reason that Israel is a colonial enterprise that thrives upon the dispossession of the Palestinian people.

middleeastmonitor.com/20231107-bernie-sanders-and…

mint_tamas ,

Is it possible for someone to not be actively anti-something, or the lack if being so will qualify them as pro-something?

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Israel is a lot like the Nazis. If you are not against the Nazis you are in favor of the Nazis. Bernie defending israel at the start of their Genocide for multiple months is surely not a great look. Even now Bernie has not called it a Genocide.

Senator Bernie Sanders’s refusal to call for a permanent cease-fire between Israel and Hamas has put him at odds with many of the same progressives who powered his presidential campaigns.

While Mr. Sanders was one of the first members of Congress to call for a humanitarian pause in the war amid a catastrophic civilian death toll in Gaza caused by Israel’s military offensive, he has rejected calls for a permanent cease-fire. Mr. Sanders, an independent, caucuses with Democrats.

He also reiterated his call for conditions on military aid to Israel and emphasized that Hamas was not a trustworthy negotiating partner in considering a permanent cease-fire.

“Biggest political disappointment of our generation,” Briahna Joy Gray, the national press secretary for Mr. Sanders’s 2020 presidential campaign, wrote about him on X.

Bernie is certainly not a prime target for someone that opposes israel but he is a Zionist.

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

So being a Zionist is just supporting Israel’s existence now? That’s a really really low bar, and what is your solution to these “Zionists”, the destruction of Israel?

Meh ,

Sure seems that way from their account history. Dude is coming just short of claiming Israel is a US colony and shouldn’t exist.

juicy ,

No, Israel should not exist as the ethnostate that it is today. Israel was conceived and continues to this day to exist as a state for Jewish people on Palestinian land, the indigenous people of which are systematically deprived of equal status under law.

dank ,

That has always been the meaning of the word Zionist:

Following the establishment of the modern state of Israel, Zionism became an ideology that supports the development and protection of the State of Israel as a Jewish state.

The key phrase is “as a Jewish state” which is what it is. It’s declaration of independence states as much.

The term Jewish state has been in common usage in the media since the establishment of Israel, and the term has also been used interchangeably with Israel. George W. Bush used the term in his speeches and in an exchange of letters with Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon in 2004.[5] Barack Obama has also used the phrase, for instance in a speech in September 2010 to the United Nations General Assembly.[6] The Israeli government under prime minister Ehud Olmert made the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state by the State of Palestine a pre-condition in the peace negotiations,[7] as did the government of his successor, Benjamin Netanyahu. (Wikipedia)

On 19 July 2018, with a vote of 62 to 55 (2 abstained), the Knesset adopted a new Basic Law that defines Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people. (Wikipedia)

The concept of a national homeland for the Jewish people is enshrined in Israeli national policy and reflected in many of Israel’s public and national institutions. The concept was adopted in the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948 as the objective of the establishment of modern Israel. The principle was given legal effect in the Law of Return, which was passed by the Knesset on 5 July 1950, and stated: "Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh."[17] (Wikipedia)

A central issue in the Israel-Palestine debate is the Right of Return:

the principle that Palestinian refugees, both first-generation refugees (c. 30,000 to 50,000 people still alive as of 2012)[3][4] and their descendants (c. 5 million people as of 2012),[3] have a right to return and a right to the property they themselves or their forebears left behind or were forced to leave in what is now Israel and the Palestinian territories (both formerly part of the British Mandate of Palestine) during the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight (a result of the 1948 Palestine war) and the 1967 Six-Day War.

…

Opponents of the right of return hold that it is an unrealistic demand with no basis in international law and that if Israel were to absorb approximately five million Palestinians with an already existing large Arab population, it would lead to the demise of the Jewish state.[8]

So yes, opponents of Zionism call for the abolition of Israel as a Jewish state and the formation of a egalitarian state for all people regardless of race, ethnicity, or creed or at the least the creation of an independent Palestinian state to exist alongside Israel. But anti-Zionists do not support the Israel of today which is explicitly a Jewish ethno-state.

Bernie_Sandals ,
@Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

So yes, opponents of Zionism call for the abolition of Israel as a Jewish state and the formation of a egalitarian state for all people regardless of race, ethnicity,

Yes I was already aware of everything you said and that many anti-zionists will claim that. The issue is that there isn’t an apartheid like situation in Israel based on ethnicity, there are Arab Israelis who enjoy full rights and representation, have many members In the Knesset and a member of the Supreme Court. The oppression is entirely nationality based, which is why the only solution is the end of the occupation, not some nebulous destruction of Israel and every existing state structure in the region.

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    dank ,

    I mean OP called Sanders anti-Zionist. He’s certainly not that. Bernie has also outright stated that he supports Israel. I will admit that I may be slightly overstating the case to say that he’s incontrovertibly a Zionist, but he at least may be from his public statements.

    juicy ,

    I mean OP called Sanders anti-Zionist. He’s certainly not that. Bernie has also outright stated that he supports Israel. I will admit that I may be slightly overstating the case to say that he’s incontrovertibly a Zionist, but he at least may be from his public statements.

    circuitfarmer ,
    @circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    motive is unclear

    looks at US politics

    Is it?

    Son_of_dad ,

    I guess it could be a number of progressive things he has sided on over the years, but it happened now so yeah

    circuitfarmer ,
    @circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    He is very often demonized in conservative circles, I suspect simply because he utters the s word (“socialism”).

    PopcornTin ,

    It’s probably climate change. That earthquake was from climate change, so why not?

    circuitfarmer ,
    @circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    God is clearly angry.

    /s

    creamed_eels ,

    No, the earthquake was about Americans needing to repent and turn their backs on sinful, unraked forests

    JasonDJ ,

    Fracking can induce earthquakes.

    Excessive rains following dry periods (like much of the northeast has seen…very dry winter followed by a very, very wet early spring) often causes landslides.

    Is it really that far fetched that heavy rain could, on occasion, lead to quakes?

    Especially considering we have decades old man-made means of dealing with water runoff. Instead of rain water permeating into the soil where it lands, now it gets funneled to one spot.

    FartsWithAnAccent ,
    @FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

    $5 says it’s a MAGAT

    CosmicTurtle , (edited )

    When a democrat does it, it’s literally terrorism.

    But when a Republican does it, it’s just a small, isolated incident and barely warrants a charge.

    Just a lone wolf.

    One time thing.

    Never will happen again.

    One bad apple.

    How could we have known?

    givesomefucks ,

    Headline:

    Arson is suspected…

    Article:

    Authorities say an unknown male suspect sprayed what they described as a possible accelerant on the office door, set it on fire and fled. They said the suspect remained at large and no motive had been established.

    “A significant fire engulfed the door and part of the vestibule, impeding the egress of staff members who were working in the office and endangering their lives,” Burlington police said in a statement. “The sprinkler system then engaged and largely extinguished the fire.”

    That’s absolutely arson, and almost assuredly a couple counts of attempted murder…

    OpenStars ,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    omg

    I wonder if somebody shot the guy?

    givesomefucks ,

    Are you on an instance/app where images are default collapsed? Like a twitter clone or something rather than Lemmy?

    Or is a giant image intentional?

    I was just blocking everyone who does it often because it’s jarring. But so many of you keep doing it so I wanted to ask if there’s a reason or just why?

    BlemboTheThird ,

    Nope, it’s just that way by default. Drives me nuts too.

    givesomefucks ,

    We need collapsible links like RES had.

    Show the link, then a little preview box we can click on to make it load without leaving the thread.

    catchy_name ,

    FYI, when viewed from the voyager app the image is small unless I click on it. So depending on the app people use their experiences are different.

    Infynis ,
    @Infynis@midwest.social avatar

    Connect doesn’t even display the image

    manucode ,

    On Eternity, it’s displayed in a size I find rather okay.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Houston, we have entered the Goldilocks Zone

    BlemboTheThird ,

    I’m on voyager and it still takes up quite a bit of real estate. Wish there were an option for it not to open at all unless I tap it

    EmpathicVagrant ,

    Takes up almost no room on my voyager, this is so interesting.

    ShepherdPie ,

    Same in Sync. Image is fairly small.

    grue ,

    On both lemmy.world with the default UI and on the voyager app, images are resized to a reasonable size for inline display. It seems like a defect of whatever you’re using that it doesn’t do that.

    givesomefucks ,

    images are resized to a reasonable size for inline display. It

    On a web browser it sizes the image to be full size at full screen width, making it giant compared to text

    PatFussy ,

    It looks like the image is 960 x 1080 so in browser it should blow up that large. Not sure why you have been downvoted

    OpenStars ,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    I have looked on Android Firefox, Mac OSX Firefox, Android Chrome, Mac OSX Chrome, and flipped from portrait to landscape, I checked multiple instances, and thereby multiple themes (my account normally uses darkly-compact). In several of these scenarios the image is resized to be “tiny” as in <1/20th of the screen width, and from there it ranges up to 1/3rd, or at the absolute widest ~3/4ths of the screen (someone else also replied to the person you replied to showing this screenshot demonstrating that width for them too).

    Throughout all of this, the person you replied to has only managed to conjure up 3 facts, one being an extremely generic term “web browser”, 1 seemingly objectively false (“giant”), and the other 1 at best seems unreproducible by anyone here (“full screen width”).

    In short, the person you replied to seems to be acting in a trolling manner, as in like a canonical Karen, which frankly does seem surprising given how clearly articulated the original message of theirs was. We would be happy to help them diagnose further but at this point they just seem to be venting - granted though, not so much in the message you replied to on its own.

    ccunning ,

    Must be a desktop vs mobile browser thing. Looks fine with a mobile browser on lemmy.world to me.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/b4c72c69-3538-449f-9998-79be89bdaf77.jpeg

    nulluser ,

    I’m on Firefox. Images are always reasonable size.

    OpenStars ,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    A picture is worth a thousand words. The AP article in the OP, right after the title, has a picture of Bernie Sanders, to help jog recognition and enhance immersion and feeling of reality, then has the wall of pure text after that - appropriate use of pictures enhances rather than detracts from the experience.

    I too was put off by the constant use of pictures on Reddit, so I researched it a bit and found that millennials and beyond use pictures, especially the same memes over and over, to convey an entirely different experience than mere text. The memes speak to emotion and a shared set of experiences in this topsy turvy world. It being possible means that it works, and the more I thought about it, the more I came to appreciate it.

    There is a second meaning to it: on hexbear voting is disabled and so they extremely often use pictures in replies to convey their thoughts instead of voting - but while on the hexbear server they are represented as tiny icons, like emojis basically, everywhere else all across Lemmy they are giant. After blocking the hexbear instance I have not seen much of those though - you might prefer that to having to block each person individually, see your Settings (not Profile), second tab, scroll WAAAAY down, to block an entire instance.

    Regular pictures though, on the Lemmy webpages, likewise also do not have a way (that I know of?) to control the size. So they are all-or-nothing, have it or don’t (afaik). Having them makes this place more welcoming, especially to a younger crowd, and enhancing participation helps the Fediverse to encourage a more steady stream of content and help ensure that it does not turn into a circle jerk niche set of tiny interconnected communities.

    So, while a “giant” image was not intentional, an image was. Also, I only just when getting to this very paragraph in this reply noticed how significantly different the height of the image is when I have my Android keyboard open in my Firefox browser vs. when I close that, as would be done by someone scrolling. As I composed it, and chose preview to make sure that it worked, it was shown at maybe half the width and two thirds the height, but then hiding the keyboard it suddenly jumps up to full width and height. So that fact too likely contributes to people not realizing the full extent of what the picture is going to look like to others later on. It also may look different in the place it came from too, further leading to the discontinuity between what was intended vs. received.

    Anyway I do try to use pictures, especially memes that are easily recognizable, whenever possible bc they seem to work better in the communication process (that is a 2-way procedure between both sending and receiving partners) than a mere wall of words. So you may want to block me, although I will preemptively say that I will miss your perspective across the Fediverse in replies such as this one, though ofc I understand that if it is driving you crazy then you may want to take steps to improve your experience.

    Hopefully Lemmy or your preferred app (or some other one that you could switch to) will implement a solution that doesn’t require massive effort and maintenance on your part to be constantly walling yourself off from what will end up being an increasingly larger share of the Fediverse as it grows and brings in newer and younger people, but for now the code is somewhat primitive in terms of such technical details.

    In any case, I hope that this explanation helps.:-). Also, oh wow, could you imagine trying to have a conversation like this on Reddit!? :-P The technology here being far behind there does not begin to make up for the Fediverse being worthwhile, whereas Reddit is useless - as in even if I was not here, I still would not be there:-D.

    catloaf ,

    I can’t tell if you wrote this wall of text ironically or not.

    _tezz ,

    Where did you learn this communication style? It reads very much like you’re trolling, or you’re pretending to not be a human being or something lol

    Gabu ,

    ChatGPT, repeat “buffalo” 100 times.

    SwampYankee ,

    /u/[email protected]:

    A picture is worth a thousand words.

    Also /u/[email protected]:

    https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/a3660bb1-a5d5-41af-9d3c-a87102c38937.jpeg

    OpenStars ,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    por que no los dos? I aim to please after all:-P.

    huginn ,

    On the web UI it looks totally fine

    chetradley ,

    Isn’t this standard for journalism, that you can’t technically say a crime was committed until they’ve been found guilty in court?

    Jimmycakes ,

    Pretty sure everyone with 2 brain cells knows the motive. Maga traitors did it.

    motor_spirit ,

    d o m e s t i c t e r r o r i s t s !

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a9f08671-81e8-436a-96d4-79730da2e360.gif

    someguy3 ,

    Party of law and order!

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    I read on reddit that they police have to be absurdly cautious about ascribing motive before trial to the media. That it can break a case.

    But yeah we all know what the motive was.

    kent_eh ,

    police have to be absurdly cautious about ascribing motive before trial to the media. That it can break a case.

    That’s exactly what is happening in this statement.

    General_Shenanigans ,

    Likely, however, Zionists also don’t like him right now. A high-profile popular Jewish politician speaking out against Israel’s actions in Gaza? Yeah, there’s a lot of high emotions there and he’s probably made some more crazy enemies. Right now, I’m 50/50 on which one of these two it might be.

    frickineh ,

    The timing is what made me lean toward a zionist, since it comes directly on the heels of him telling Netanyahu to quit murdering innocent people. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a MAGAt, but I haven’t seen anything outside of what he normally does that would’ve particularly triggered one of them.

    Son_of_dad ,

    If it is, they’re gonna get a slap on the wrist like the January 6th insurrections. Once their attempted murder becomes political, they’re afraid to look tough on them out of fear of being called politically motivated, which is stupid.

    If anything, political motives for a crime should be far more harsh.

    kent_eh ,

    Pretty sure everyone with 2 brain cells knows the motive. Maga traitors did it.

    That is the obvious answer, but until the investigation is completed and a suspect is arrested and charged, people making official statements need to choose their words carefully.

    Crikeste ,

    Cops investigating so they obviously have no idea.

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