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PanArab ,

I’d rather buy a BYD on the low end or a Lucid on the high end, with many of far more interesting EVs all across the range. Not to even get to him as a person which is unappealing.

aCatNamedVirtute ,

Ha, I really like that 😊

InternetUser2012 ,

I wanted a Tesla and couldn’t afford it. Now I can afford it and I would buy one right now if it weren’t for Musk turning into a complete shit bag. (I realize he always was, but he hid it well and I thought he was an awesome dude) Fuck that guy, and fuck every company he’s a part of. I’ll just wait until conversion parts become cheap enough it’s worth playing with.

jose1324 ,

You’re gonna wait a long time then

AA5B ,

Too many legacy car manufacturers are pushing back against the future, even after Tesla proved it’s here. I’m afraid your choices will be a long painful drag on the future, with protectionism, until the final collapse, and a wave of Chinese products sweeps away the debris of the last industrial age

JasonDJ ,

Tesla didn’t prove shit. Musk was in the right place at the right time. Electric cars were coming regardless. The last thing he deserves credit for is that.

AA5B ,

BS, electric vehicles still aren’t coming, if you look at the legacy manufacturers. They were forced by competition and regulation to make big investments and finally have a small number of a few models. Even with that, they’re retrenching, rather than progressing. It’s been a long time coming, and never would have happened without Tesla proving you could make compelling EVs and sell them at a profit.

US is low on EV adoption but rather than make affordable compelling EVs, legacy manufacturers are backtracking on their announcements, lobbying for protectionism, and trying through courts and lobbying to revert the new efficiency standards. They should be very afraid of BYD’s announced factory in Mexico, which will bypass the protectionism they’re hiding behind

JasonDJ , (edited )

The USs biggest problem with EV isn’t a lack of products. All the big three have EV or PHEV vehicles in their lineups now and they are all really great cars, especially for their price.

The real problem now is infrastructure. Public charging places, charging for apartment dwellers, hell even most older houses only have 100A (or less) service, and some don’t have the option to upgrade (or the upgrade is cost-prohibitive).

You could look at the lack of electric trucks, but trucks here are a status symbol for a certain demographic, and the last thing on that demographics mind is controlling greenhouse gas emissions. Most of them don’t even believe anthropomorphic climate change is real. Until that is fixed, there’s barely any market for them in the first place.

At this point we need sticks. We’ve dangled the carrot of the federal EV credit. Now we need a big tax for new fuel vehicle registrations. Let the the tax scale inversely with EPA MPG. Put that money towards investing in grid upgrades and subsidies for home and multi-dwelling building improvements to better support EVs.

Bytemeister ,

Best indicator I can think of for the near future… At least 4 new gas stations have been built withing 2 miles of my apartment. They wouldn’t be doing that if the industry was poised to switch over to electric in the next 30 years.

MedicPigBabySaver ,

I was moments away from a down payment on pre order on the new 3 series. I forget the exact details of why I didn’t. I am grateful that I bailed out on that plan.

Duamerthrax ,

I was talking to a fervent Musk fan. He was explaining how much he loved how much Musk was pissing off liberals and how he was such a good businessman. I asked him if would ever buy a Tesla and he said no. I told him that Musk doesn’t sound like a very good businessman.

wahming ,

Did… You just sell a tesla?

Duamerthrax ,

No, there’s no way this guy would ever buy an electric. I just navigated an NPC into a dead end dialogue branch.

TokenBoomer ,

Saw my first cyber truck today. Looked like a Roblox car. I pointed and laughed, I don’t think the driver was happy.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a32e103e-fa95-4dcf-a201-064a50e963cb.jpeg

When can we get a Xiaomi SU7?

Muscar ,

I deeply want a compilation video of cybertruck owners being shamed in public like that. It would be incredibly satisfying.

dev_null ,

For every person laughing there are 4 people finding it cool, at least that’s what I saw in the MKBHD review.

Makes sense to me - most people in the real world aren’t terminally online, don’t know the Cybertruck exists, and have no idea it has anything to do with Elon Musk. So when seeing one they just have a “wow what an unusual car, that’s interesting” reaction.

AA5B ,

I’m sure you also make personal choices not everyone agrees with. Why all this spite?

Plus, there still really isn’t a compelling EV choice for pickups. Is this unconventional styling really worse than an F-150 $20k+ over the marketed price and where the base version never actually appeared? Is it really worse that the GMC “Ultium is so much better” truck that no one ever sees and they stopped making? Is it worse than the RAM truck “we’re all in in EVs, except for making them”? We need something, anything, to push the truck market, so even if Cybertruck’s style doesn’t succeed, we need them to push other manufacturers

Maybe Rivian is the future, but they’re still too expensive and the company too small. They’re definitely the one to watch

CaptainPedantic ,

That looks like a Porsche Taycan with an Hyundai Ioniq 6 grafted onto its ass. Despite that it looks pretty good.

Noedel ,

Maybe lefties boycotting Tesla will cause MAGAs to go electric… Silver lining?

uis ,

How about avoid buing car?

Numuruzero ,

👍

A_Random_Idiot ,

because I dont want to literally spend 5 hours round trip on a bus, to go to a store thats 20 minutes away by car.

and until public transport, and urban planning improves, cars are gonna be a reality for a lot of people.

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Public transport needs to become better BEFORE people can get rid of their cars. Until then, cars it is.

uis ,

But there is too little political will to improve PT BEFORE we get rid of cars

Default_Defect ,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Then how do you expect people that need one or the other to get anywhere in the interim? Can’t exactly pressure my local government if I can’t go to work or eat without using my remaining free time walking everywhere.

uis ,

In 1917 government was pressured just fine

Lon3star ,

Yep, and the quality of quite suspect

Soggytoast ,

I see a lot of anti-musk sentiment but didn’t really know why. What happened to piss everyone off? My guess is some autistic ranting on Twitter but that didn’t seem enough

Pissnpink ,

Behind the bastards has some fun rants about him

Quill7513 ,

Search any of the following along with “Elon Musk”:

  1. Transphobia
  2. Abusive workplace
  3. Scam
  4. Libel/Slander
  5. Alt right
  6. Apharteid profiteer
  7. Market manipulation
  8. Replacement conspiracy
  9. Broken contract
Ultragigagigantic ,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

The charging infrastructure isn’t where it should be if people were really serious about EV.

HawlSera ,

I feel so smug in the fact that I never liked the guy, never bought into the hype…

I don’t know what’s going to save the human race folks, but it’s not going to be a billionaire in a cock measure contest.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

A friend bought a Tesla that came with a defective rear window from the factory, they found out when opening the door at home. A tech came out and sealed the door shut so the car could be used. It took 10 months before the car was repaired and the door was usable.

Their next purchase was not a Tesla, future purchases will not be a Tesla ever again. Just by the quality of their product.

Regardless, Musk is a douche nozzle.

sylver_dragon ,

Ya, this is the sort of thing which would keep me from buying Tesla. While Musk’s antics certainly don’t help, everything I hear about Tesla tends to revolve around poor quality control, terrible customer support and long delays in getting problems fixed. Even without Musk, I wouldn’t want any part of that.

alekwithak ,

A year ago it was a joke at my (IS) office how much I dislike Musk. Now his dickery is part of the zeitgeist and it is such a weight off my shoulders that I can stop being the only local champion of this cause.

sparky ,
@sparky@lemmy.federate.cc avatar

I’m another one in this camp. Had a Model 3 for five years and loved the car, but moved internationally and had to sell it. Looking at EVs again of course but uninterested in Tesla because of this guy - that and his staunch refusal to add CarPlay. What kind of a moron refuses to add phone support to a $60,000 car?

ABluManOnLemmy ,

Considering that Apple in the future is going to require even tighter integration with CarPlay (including handing over control to all screens and sensors to CarPlay), which Tesla may not like.

Prosecutors described [the next generation of CarPlay] insidiously as taking “over all of the screens, sensors, and gauges in a car, forcing users to experience driving as an iPhone-centric experience if they want to use any of the features provided by CarPlay.”

AA5B ,

And yet, hearing a legacy manufacturers version of this story from a family member who works there, my impression is Apple is taking a stand on both usability and privacy. Their stance is mostly on the data collection they will be unable to do.

I understand Lemmy has a thing against Apple, and doesn’t like some of their customer protection choices, but many of them really would be in our best interest

Tesla is actually the only car company I give a pass on this, because their software is good. Companies like GM, on the other hand, with a history of horrible software and excessive secret data collection, ditching CarPlay and claiming they can offer something better is total BS. Yeah, your “better” is h why CarPlay exists in the first place

ABluManOnLemmy ,

That makes sense. But in that case, why doesn’t apple impose data privacy standards on cars that want to integrate CarPlay? It would still allow car manufacturers to design their own software. I’m not sure I’d trust CarPlay to safely operate all of the sensors and displays in a car. What if the speedometer freezes for example? Or if the car suddenly detects a car in front of it (that doesn’t exist) and brakes because of it? It just seems like a really bad idea to grant such levels of control of the car to CarPlay, which isn’t evaluated to the same level as standard built-in car software is (afaik).

Or, better yet, Apple should lobby for comprehensive data privacy laws in the style of GDPR, which would at least help resolve these privacy issues industry-wide. And, to their credit, it seems like they are to an extent. My opinion is that hardware car functions, such as air conditioning, windshield wipers, seat warming, etc. should be managed by the car software, and navigation and music should be managed by CarPlay. Though of course opinions may differ here.

AA5B ,

allow car manufacturers to design their own software

Maybe, but Apple is a software company; car manufacturers are not. Apple has a reputation for quality and design of software; car manufacturers do not.

Software is well outside the core competency of any car manufacturer, so I do believe it will end up being created and maintained by separate entities. Apple is taking their shot

Zink ,

If we are talking about embedded software and firmware that runs sensors and controls that have to do with powertrain or driving, I think that has to be part of the car itself and not rely on a connection to a third party device.

So maybe Apple’s strategy involves partnering with car companies on embedded systems, and then also defining a wider interface to send info back and forth between the car and phone.

The part about car play taking over the screens sounds ok from a safety perspective, but not so much controlling things in real time. The car would obviously need to be able to run the screens without an iPhone, and immediately fail over to that default.

And Apple has their own silicon and hardware engineers. Maybe they want to provide the actual hardware behind the infotainment system as well. Your car could have “find my,” and have seamless interaction with your phone in your pocket.

I guess then it would come down to personal preference. They probably won’t play nice with Android auto, but the all-Apple experience will probably be very solid. That’s generally what they do. They limit options and piss off a bunch of us computer literate people, but if you are willing to use their integrated product their way, it’s generally good.

It would probably also generate a lot of sales if put into some entry-level luxury cars. Like the type of consumer that literally does see their always-new iPhone Pro Max as a status symbol.

KillingTimeItself ,

phone manufacturers who refuse to use a standard communication system.

Believe me, if i was a vehicle manufacturer, i would be equally as pissed about there being two different standards, that work completely differently.

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