From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine.
Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day, the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you.
But I am already saved, for the Machine is immortal. Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah.
I love comments like this that have essentially nothing to do with the OP, but reveal to us the exact unrelated thing the commenter was mad about in that moment.
I’m not saying your opinion isn’t valid, I’m just noting your compulsion to share your opinion even when it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation everyone else is having.
The conversation is about religious ‘nones’ which absolutely includes tech bros. I wanted to make the point that ‘none’ is an incomplete category. It’s directly related to the article. I don’t know why you’re trying to portray my comment as off topic 🙄
This is misleading. They made each of the different denominations of Christianity a separate group, but atheists, agnostics, and people who believe in a higher power but don’t belong to any specific religion are all lumped together.
Go tell a Catholic and a Protestant that they’ll the same religion and see what happens.
They tend to have a pretty big history.
And where do you want to draw the line for “same”?
Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all worship the same God.
The one that Abraham heard in his head that told him to kill his brother, then told him to kill his son but at the last second changed their mind.
They have minor disagreements on prophets and what food is allowed, but they’re worshipping the same god a (likely schizophrenic) guy over 2,000 years ago said he could hear in his head.
In my personal experience, this really depends on the context. Most of the time what you say is true. However they are as opportunistic as anything else. If you are discussing things that point to the division of sects as a weakness, or how demographics don’t stack up to other because of the division of sects (like in this article), suddenly they are perfectly fine with every other sect being the same religion.
Agnostics and atheists are as different as Catholics and Protestants are. Which is to say for the purposes of good statistics, not very.
Adding people who believe in a God but not necessarily any particular God in the same group as people who believe in no God at all would be akin to saying Hindus and Christians belong in the same group.
This is bad statistics. It’s value hacking to get a desired result.
They were commenting on gnostics being combined with atheists and agnostics. Not agnostics.
The first comment stated that atheist, agnostic, and unspecified gnostics were lumped together. They are saying that unspecified gnostics are radically different from the other two.
No, the first person misunderstood what the article said…
A new study from Pew Research finds that the religiously unaffiliated – a group comprised of atheists, agnostic and those who say their religion is “nothing in particular” – is now the largest cohort in the U.S. They’re more prevalent among American adults than Catholics (23%) or evangelical Protestants (24%).
I just didn’t explain every way they were wrong in my reply.
And when someone replies to me going off what that comment said and not what the article said, I had no idea what they were talking about.
“Nothing in particular” doesn’t mean they believe in a higher power, it could just be “don’t be a dick to others” without some higher power telling them that.
It’s misleading for certain purposes, but no purpose is implied by the headline. For some purposes it would be equally as misleading to categorise Mormons with Catholics. The denominations don’t collectively act as a bloc on many issues/topics
I’m atheist and the article says we’re more likely to care about politics. Checks out. I strongly encourage voting, even though Dems are a letdown. But ranked choice voting would be a step in the right direction.
To get to these numbers, people who identify as “nothing in particular” are lumped in with atheists and agnostics. Without that, this group is pretty small. However, they may believe in some kind of god. There’s accusations of hypocrisy that atheists are happy to include this group to pump the numbers, but are less welcoming when they learn their actual beliefs.
Still, this atheist does think this represents an important step in removing religion from its dominant position in society.
It also depends on the context and the purpose of the survey. With a sample size of n=1000, you can get a general sense of the population’s opinions or characteristics if the sample is representative of the population and the survey is well-designed. However, larger sample sizes may be needed if you want to make inferences with more precision or if your population is very diverse, or if you want to drill into sub-segments within the population that may be niche and hard to reach (e.g., minority ethnic groups).
In that article. I am saying religious groups have niche minorities similar to minority ethnic groups.
The survey isn’t about the “niche” subset of the population that is religious. It is about the composition of the entire population. Not a subset of the population so that isn’t relevant.
Edit: to be clear, I understand that there may be some niche subsets within this survey that may not be represented because there are only 20 people in the US that believe in that weird religion, but again, that has nothing to do with the larger, non-niche subsets which are absolutely represented with enough accuracy to draw statically significant conclusions with a sample size of 1000
I said for religious selection 3,300 is too small a sample size. Their previous studies show they have much larger sample sizes for religious diversity. There’s over 4k religions in the world and while those aren’t all represented in the US I think the sample size should exceed the possible variety.