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trackcharlie ,

So, do american’s not know their own history very well?

Like, the confederates were, literally, the enemy of the united states. I always found it weird that people even brought the flag anywhere with them outside of a museum.

HawlSera ,

Sure, let’s just completely treat the South like we are the districts from Hunger Games. This is some bullshit.

reverendsteveii ,

this isn’t about the south, it’s about treason. this is the flag of a nation that never existed.

Snowpix ,
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It’s a flag of a bunch of losers. Why would anyone want to fly the flag of some traitorous losers?

reverendsteveii ,

it’s because they’re racist, and the long for a return to the days of open, de jure racism. they believe treating anyone other than cishet white christians as fully human is a violation of god’s intended order for the world. they’re monsters.

Snowpix ,
@Snowpix@lemmy.ca avatar

So, losers! Explains a lot, really.

HawlSera ,

And for many of us who grew up before Dylann Roof sparked the bans… that flag just meant “of the South”

Nothing more or less, by demonizing it it looks like you’re demonizing us and demanding you thank us for it.

reverendsteveii ,

you can be wrong about whatever you choose to be wrong about, but that’s the flag of racist traitors. always has been, always will be.

HawlSera ,

No you labeled it that to scapegoat a people for ongoing racial issues.

reverendsteveii ,

no, it became a racist traitor flag when racists flew it during their failed attempt at treason

CatTrickery ,

Fun fact: the Confederacy lasted about as long as Google Stadia.

HawlSera ,

Stool cory bro

CatTrickery ,

The toilet was also only invented the year that it collapsed so please enjoy your hole on the ground

steltek ,

If Nascar can ban the traitor towel, this should have been a completely trivial thing for Glasgow to pull off. That this decision caused this much stir tells you all you need to know about this place.

Martymoo ,

I live in Glasgow and have had the misfortune of visiting the Opry once on a night out. The whole flag folding ceremony plus cosplay gunfight thing they do was all very strange and they took it far too seriously.

Needless to say, I did not return.

Heresy_generator , (edited )
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The club's website explained: "As the Southern states lost the war, and due to the fact that this part of America supplied us then, as now, with most of the trends that influence our music, dress and dance, it is the Southern flag (often called the Confederate Battle flag) which is folded."

The ceremony was accompanied by the 1972 Elvis Presley hit, An American Trilogy, a song which combines the southern Confederacy's unofficial anthem, Dixie, with the northern Union's Battle Hymn of the Republic.

The website added that the occasion "takes the form of a more traditional salute that encompasses both a flag folding ceremony and a number of shots fired in tribute.

"We dedicate the American Trilogy as a salute in memory of all those men and women lost from both sides," it said.

Jesus fucking Christ their explanation is so much worse than I imagined. Just say, 'it's just a show and doesn't mean anything'; lying about honoring the battle flag of the confederacy being "a salute in memory of all those men and women" who fought and died to stop those traitors from destroying their country and preserving slavery is fucking disgusting and a slap in the face to every single one of them. Or just say, 'we hate America and think it's funny,' whatever the actual truth is, just leave the loathsome lies out of it.

LesserAbe ,

I think when you’re more removed from the implications it’s easier to treat symbols as fun, or to play act. Like how Prince Harry wore that Nazi uniform. It’s bad, just saying it’s not inherently surprising.

prole ,

Not sure how removed from the Nazis Prince Harry was/is.

What was it, his great uncle, that is known to have ties to the Nazis? The one that abdicated the throne. If he hadn’t, the outcome of that war may have been very different…

rebelsimile ,

yeah it wasn’t a great example, I can see misappropriating symbols that are ancient or half a world away (like people with bad Chinese tattoos), but the Nazis happened on the same continent, a generation or so ago and he’s a f’n prince, you can’t tell me he doesn’t know who the Nazis are.

LesserAbe ,

Well same you can’t tell me people shouldn’t know who the Confederates are or that they held slaves. More what I was getting at is when it’s not a knife at your throat, it’s easier to go “ha ha” and not think about the reality of the thing.

rebelsimile ,

yeah I definitely agree that people who are less directly impacted will be much more insensitive about it. I think the distinction is when people who should know better don’t act better. I think a lot of confederate reasoning is bullshit, but they’re also happy to be thought of as too ignorant to be accountable.

xc2215x ,

Good for Glasgow.

tsonfeir , (edited )
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Today I learned there was a Grand Ole Opry in Glasgow, which seems very odd.

BossDj ,

Also that they had a Confederate flag folding ceremony until October of this year. In Glasgow. And that the ban only BARELY passed on a 48-50 vote. AND the president of the committee resigned over the ban.

There desperately needs to be a Netflix documentary about this whole thing

hessenjunge ,

You’re not wrong but I would prefer a quality documentary over a Netflix “documentary”.

BossDj ,

Agreed! But this is the kind of over the top, what the fuck kind of random story that Netflix is known for

MNByChoice ,

The Confederate flag had been the centrepiece of a flag-folding ceremony held at the end of each night at the venue.

Every night, in the UK, they folded the flag of a long gone country.

Edit: The end of the article has an explanation for why, so at least there is A reason. I am still amazed.

Kusimulkku ,

Maybe it’s like in Sweden and Finland where the Confederate flag was seen as a rebel and rock symbol.

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe they need a documentary about the civil war over there. Or is slavery that popular in Scotland?

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Wait…. I assumed this was some hick town named after Glasgow, but, you know, in the US. (I just checked there is a Glasgow, Kentucky. Americans are really uncreative when it comes to naming things.)

Somebody… make it make sense….

massive_bereavement ,
@massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

The em.. South will.. em.. rise again?

MNByChoice ,

Americans are really uncreative when it comes to naming things.

True. A lot of the namers came from other countries and wanted a slice of home.

That does not excuse the cardinal direction naming of towns. (West town name, North town name, etc.)

lingh0e ,

relevant Mitchell and Webb

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

not as relevant firefly

Yours made me chuckle… here’s a week attempt to do the same :)

dan1101 ,

There is also a Glasgow in Virginia, a small town. Probably named that because of Scottish immigrants. And it’s the sort of place early country music would have came from.

AllNewTypeFace ,
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They’ve loved American country music in Glasgow for generations; it’s one of those local peculiarities.

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    meeeeetch ,

    My dude, flappers could have bought some of the first country records. It’s been a genre since before they switched from wax cylinders to vinyl records.

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    QBertReynolds ,
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    You just linked to a wiki article that says country music has been around since the 1920s. That same site says a generation is 20-30 years, so 3 to 5 generations of country music.

    For example, Hank Williams played country in the 40s for one generation. His son, Hank Williams Jr. played country music in the 70s for a different generation. His grandson, Hank Williams III, played country for yet another generation in the 90s. His great grandson, Coleman Williams (aka IV) plays country for today’s generation.

    synae ,
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    Incredible how a stance can be so wrong that it is refuted simply with the name Hank Williams

    Kusimulkku ,

    Your own link, first lines

    Country (also called country and western) is a music genre originating in the Southern and Southwestern United States. First produced in the 1920s, country music primarily focuses on working class Americans and blue-collar U.S. American life

    quicklime ,

    ok troll.

    glimse ,

    You are confusing country pop with country aren’t you

    lolcatnip ,

    It’s barely even true of country pop. I remember it being around in the 90s.

    dan1101 ,

    Appalachia (mountain range down the East coast of USA) is where much country music came from, and in the early days was largely settled by Scots and Irishmen.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    We had friends visit from Australia when I was a teenager, and I found out the dad was a huge country music fan. Then I found out Australia has a massive country music scene.

    Zahille7 ,

    For years I had no idea Keith Urban was Australian, until I heard him talk one time.

    Psaldorn ,
    @Psaldorn@lemmy.world avatar

    Related to Karl Urban? (He’s a kiwi though)

    Pips ,

    Haven’t seen any mention of it, but Keith Urban was born in New Zealand so maybe? Urban is a pretty common surname.

    Pat_Riot ,
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    I’m American and I love Slim Dusty!

    samus12345 ,
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    Oh, this is the Glasgow? I assumed it was Glasgow, Tennessee or something.

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