for all the non-Americans, here are the things you don’t understand about why we say it was justified.
Mental illness is rampant here. The high productivity expectations have a serious toll on people. There aren’t enough doctors to be even close to handle the scope of it. Many doctors offices are getting bought up by large companies who can and do pick the most lucrative clients.
Our justice system releases mentally ill people who are clearly dangerous because they haven’t committed a big enough crime YET.
And people don’t look out for one another much anymore. Combined with a misguided sense of independence, drunks are left to do things that friends in other countries would put a stop to.
This is why we fear random people, this is why drunk people manage to get into circumstances uncommon elsewhere. This is why we say the shooting was justified. We all think about how badly it could have gone if he didn’t shoot, and it wasn’t just a drunk guy at the wrong house.
Same, this sounds like what the homeowner/killer is going to be telling himself the next day to rationalize it (if he even thinks about it that deeply).
what in all of this makes you think the homeowner is a cold blooded killer who doesn’t give a second thought about killing. Like where does that even come from. I mean its possible, but seems pretty unlikely.
America is a big place. Maybe your area is better. Or maybe you aren’t aware of it in your area. But the number of neighbors in my area who have had mentally ill people (probably homeless) come to thier door sayimg they live there or what not is pretty high. And I am out in the suburbs. Combine that with the yearly stories of a mentally ill person with a history of random violence arrests who kills someone and it’s no suprise people fear. A large part of the population lives in areas like this or in cities. But not everyone for sure.
have you seen American politics? Having the majority vote doesn’t even win the presidency. And all these anti abortion laws recently… all the polls show a majority don’t want them. The government works for business, not the people. If enough corporations want it to change, then it can be changed.
Should be fining the fucking companies instead of cuddling them with more money. “Oh, you’ve been constantly fighting this thing I want you to do, here’s some money so maaaaaaaaaayyyyybe you’ll do it now, pretty please?”
That dumb fucker put himself intentionally in harm’s way, and I’d have a really difficult fucking time believing that it wasn’t with the hope that the car would move the tiniest bit so he could shoot her.
The headline makes it sound like we’ve accidentally exterminated all life on Mars. What it actually states is that we might be accidentally killing the samples we collect because of our testing methodology.
I don’t consume conservative media, but I’m wondering is there some current of thought that’s leading to all these shootings after someone goes to the wrong door? Seems like there’s been a lot recently, and makes no sense to me.
I love threads like this where I get to read all the insane takes from the armchair cops. You have the benefits of knowing all the after-the-fact details and not needing to make a split-second decision, so you think it’s just so simple to take your preferred course of action. No, the police are not bloodthirsty murderers who look for any excuse to kill a civilian, but you paint them that way in your head to justify your hatred of them.
Absolutely bat shit insane take. There is so much video evidence disproving that. Most cops in America are bad people, either directly or indirectly through lack of action. ACAB
whoa there with the most part. You probably haven’t even met or read about even .001% of the cops here. I am no fan of the type of person who is driven to be a cop, but they usually aren’t inherently bad. Some get that way after having to deal with the scum the courts let back out onto the streets, which usually by the way isn’t the scums fault they are scum… shotty upbringing because parents are trying to make ends meet does that. His take is certainly leaning heavy blue. But you don’t have to dive in the other direction to counter it. Take the high road.
i didn’t say you can’t criticize any. Just don’t go overboard on claiming you now how most of them are. That kind of over generalization is exactly what the person you responded to had wrong.
Sure, why not take the handful of stories you read every day about bad cops, then extrapolate way outside that range and confidently declare that “most cops in America are bad people”, which is 1) subjective, and 2) stated without evidence?
The cops performing their jobs without getting into trouble don’t make the news.
Why aren’t those cops who don’t get into trouble (that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing bad things, by the way) doing anything about the cops that are? Doesn’t that make them complicit?
Those “good” cops stand by and do nothing while watching the bad cops be bad. Even if they aren’t going out and hurting people they are part of the problem by enabling that behavior.
Or you could not put your body in front of a car as a means to stop it? Maybe don’t intentionally put yourself in harms way, giving you an excuse to murder?
I just watched it. You could say her driving forward while the cop was in front was bad, and maybe it was fleeing, but does that deserve a death sentence? They’re recording with body cameras, so they have her license plate number. They can identify her and put out a warrant for later easily. Is that not more appropriate? Who cares if she was shoplifting. Does that hurt anyone. Let her live and deal with it later if it needs to be dealt with.
They can identify her and put out a warrant for later easily. Is that not more appropriate?
LOL! No it’s not “more appropriate”. They had her right then, so they should let her go, put out a warrant and hope they get her back? Hope the license plate comes back to her or anybody else? Show up at her house so she can lock herself in that? Where does the excuse making end? SHE chose her own fate, SHE had dozens of times to comply, she chose the other way.
In many countries this is exactly what the police are trained to do: de-escalate the situation even if it means letting the person go at that moment, so that no one is put needlessly in danger.
Police everywhere are trained to de-escalate. Its why they have voices, its why they have pepper spray, its why they have tazers, all options before it comes to shooting somebody. That Lady was given every chance there was, and it was her choice to attempt hitting a cop with her car. Zero sympathy
Every chance there was… except for the other chances that you don’t think are appropriate for some reason. You don’t deescalate by pointing a gun at someone, yelling at them, or trying to force your way into their vehicle.
A police officer stood in front of a car then shot at the person behind the wheel because she apparently shoplifted.
Shoplifting is not a capital crime.
The cop shouldn’t have stood in front of the car.
SHOPLIFTING IS NOT A CAPITAL CRIME.
She shouldn’t have stolen from the store, she shouldn’t have gotten into her car. The cop shouldn’t have stood in front of the car, the cop shouldn’t have shot her. An officer should not intentionally put themselves in front of a car THEN declare they fear for their lives.
Stop right there, she was accused of stealing. I’ve been accused of stealing by a store as well and I did not in fact steal anything. I also don’t like dealing with cops but I’m not going to drive away I’m also not her so I can’t judge her.
Correct, she ALLEGEDLY stole from a store. Even if she DID steal from the store, THEFT IS NOT A CAPITAL CRIME.
Never mind the fact that the fucking officer stood in front of the car TO STOP A SHOPLIFTER.
Any loss prevention associate from Target stands in front of a car to stop a shoplifter is getting fired because even Target knows that’s a dumbass move. How is it that Target trains it’s people better AND holds them more accountable than the fucking police?
A) She didn’t run anyone over. B) Stopping an alleged shoplifter is not a valid reason to put yourself in front of a car. C) If you put yourself in front of a car, you don’t get to claim to be afraid for your life. D) Shoplifting is not a capital crime.
I also have type 1, which cuts my chances of doing it significantly.
I can make my own insulin, but that means boiling a lot of pancreas that are not mine. Turning me into a vampire like creature for others pancreatic juices…
Technically didn’t that already make you a vampire… Just one that lives in a society where you pay money to a good of people to find and boil those pancreas for you?
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