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Finnish_nationalisti , in Lucy Letby will die in prison after receiving 14 whole-life sentences
@Finnish_nationalisti@lemmy.world avatar

Death penalty through crucifiction should be implemented in these cases.

reddig33 , in Maui Water Is Unsafe Even With Filters, One of the Lessons Learned From Fires in California

This has me wondering how well a modern desalination plant would handle an event like this.

TheBlue22 , in Lucy Letby will die in prison after receiving 14 whole-life sentences

Hopefully she will get killed in prison in the most painful way possible

keeb420 , in Goodbye Bathtub and Living Room. America’s Homes Are Shrinking

not where im at its not.

Tolstoshev , in An elementary student died and 23 others injured after their Ohio school bus was hit on first day of class

I bet the minivan driver was texting.

PlasmaDistortion ,

My first thought as well. Why else would they be over the line?

eltimablo ,

Drugs?

jackie_jormp_jomp ,

Jacking off?

eltimablo ,

I'd expect swerving rather than drifting, if that were the case.

jackie_jormp_jomp ,

Depends on your technique I suppose. I’m a continental guy so I tend to drift

ChickenLadyLovesLife ,

I’m a school bus driver and I used to use my high vantage point to count how many passing drivers were looking at their phones instead of ahead of them, and I estimated that it was about 1 in 4. I even had a cop pass me while I had my lights on and kids were about the cross - he was face down in his phone and driving with one hand.

I stopped counting for the sake of my mental health. I truly don’t understand why I don’t see multiple collisions a day because of this shit.

I_Fart_Glitter ,

Oh don’t you know? Cops are trained in the use of technology while driving so it’s perfectly safe for them to be buried in their phones or that fucking laptop they have mounted on their center console while running red lights at 80 mph without their sirens on. Don’t even worry about it.

Tolstoshev , in Pride flag killing suspect appears to have a long history of anti-LGBTQ social posts

Funny how obsessed he was with guys sucking each others dicks. Repressing something?

Chickenstalker , in A failed lunar mission dents Russian pride and reflects deeper problems with Moscow's space industry

Maybe someone sold the rocket fuel as vodka.

HellAwaits , in Sam Bankman-Fried living on bread and water because jail won't abide vegan diet, lawyer says

Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

IDGAF. Your sloppy, pseudo-kung fu ass wants a vegan diet? Don’t fucking break the law.

original2 ,

You haven’t been proven guilty of anything when you’re in jail. it should not be punitive. Innocent until proven guilty.

When he gets to prison, by all means go ahead (I mean I believe in rehabilitation not retribution but that’s personal); until then why not treat him like a human?

Reggito9345 ,

There is no universe where this asshat is innocent, if he doesn’t get sentenced I hope someone kicks his ass in the street when they let him out.

iforgotmyinstance , in Hollywood studio Lionsgate brings back mask mandate amid Covid spike

So far the only comments are from dumbfucks.

The workplace is not a democracy, and you have no inherent right to place others in danger.

Mask up buttercup, it literally does not hurt anyone and saves lives.

TokenBoomer , (edited )

Do I really have to put an /s after every comment? Or is every dumbfuck so cynical that they can’t recognize sarcasm?

Edit: Mask up. It doesn’t hurt.

50gp ,

it also saves the company time and money when youre working and not sick at home doing nothing

Thorndike , in In session reacting to school shooting, Tennessee GOP lawmaker orders removal of public from hearing

Whenever I see a story about Tennessee, I like to post this Stephen Lynch song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6VjNmyv_i4 Trust me, it is well worth a listen.

coheedcollapse , (edited ) in When a Coke Plant Closed in Pittsburgh, Cardiovascular ER Visits Plunged

It’s funny, growing up near a steel mill/train hub, I took for granted how confused other people might be about what the hell “coke” is.

On-topic - I once looked up stats for estimated premature deaths due to industry in our area and it was eye-opening. I really want to get out of here.

Crazy how people have the ability to overlook/ignore deaths caused by things as long as the deaths are a bit more gradual. A hundred premature deaths over the course of a year or so is practically nothing on the public’s radar, but if an accidental release at the mill killed a single person downwind, there’d be hell to pay.

Guntrigger , in Sam Bankman-Fried living on bread and water because jail won't abide vegan diet, lawyer says

In these comments, People who:

  • think vegetarian is close enough to vegan.
  • don’t realise vegan items are no longer vegan if they’re for example, cooked in butter.
  • want prisoners to rot in jail from the inside out, literally.
I_Fart_Glitter ,

I don’t think prison should be punitive, but I REALLY don’t think jail should be punitive. You haven’t been proven guilty of anything when you’re in jail.

All of the food served in prison/jail is dogshit and it’s not ok. Edible food is a human right. People with ethically based diet restrictions should be protected the same way that religiously based diet restrictions are.

Belief in a make believe sky-daddy doesn’t make one persons ethical dietary choices more important than another’s. Maybe the Satanic Temple can step in and help out the incarcerated vegans. That seems up their alley.

nomadjoanne ,

Yes from everything I hear American prisons are all around horrible (by first world standards). This doesn’t seem surprising.

You’re there to be punished by your freedom of movement being taken away. Not by being forced to eat inedible food.

Papergeist ,

If prisons are going to get nutritious food, then school children need to get it first.

Eufalconimorph ,

Sysco provides the food to both in many cases.

VerdantSporeSeasoning ,

… Or Aramark

Shudders

FMT99 ,

Yes, you’re right. They should both get nutritious food. It’s not a competition. Everyone under care of the state should get nutritious, decent food. In fact even those that aren’t under care of the state should.

Lazylazycat ,
@Lazylazycat@lemmy.world avatar

They both should, this should be the bare minimum for being a human existing in society.

AA5B ,

How about: at least in my town at police department holding cells, they make you pay and they go get takeout. There’s no legitimate reason to not offer a choice of takeout

NuPNuA ,

I have noticed for a supposedly progressive network, there are a lot of posts recently on news stories about prisoners supporting capital punishment and wishing prison violence on them. Very odd stuff.

Stern ,
@Stern@lemmy.world avatar

I’m hesitant to say PINO but there is definitely a cadre of folks who want (for example) food and shelter for the homeless and for their enemies to starve to death in a ditch.

NuPNuA ,

Yeah, it’s amazing how fast some people can dehumanise their perceived enemies yet stil think they’re the good guys.

RHSJack ,

This has been repeated in case studies around the world since then but the Nuremberg Trials were the first public use of “But of course the other officers at Auschwitz were terrible people but I am not a terrible person!” The psychology would be interesting if it weren’t so frikkin horrific. But I suspect SBF isn’t that so much as a complete and total narcissist and sociopath.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

Some of these “enemies” dehumanise themselves very easily. Narcisistic sociopaths who actively and openly brag about manipulating “idiots”, saying they’re the best shit to ever grace the earth and downplay their crimes while laughing all the way to the bank to withdraw ill gotten gains? Yeah, real hard to believe they’d ever want to redeem themselves.

Couple that with the general feeling that rich assholes always get lightly punished whenever they’re caught and it’s even easier to understand the bloodlust for “proper punishment” against them.

Treczoks ,

When you consider “let X rot in jail” as “capital punishment”, count me in.

NuPNuA ,

I think it’s the “rot” that’s unbecoming to me there. Implicating you don’t think prisons should be hygienic and comfortable for prisoners.

Hazdaz ,

Hell yeah there should be support for capital punishment.

NuPNuA ,

Move to Iran then, you may like it there.

Honytawk ,

I think it has more to do with rich people getting away with murder because they are rich while homeless people getting the worst punishment for stealing a loaf of bread or sleeping on a bench.

And the rest of society getting sick and tired of it, so I see their sentiment.

I don’t believe in capital punishment though, let alone a death sentence.

Guntrigger ,

The thing is, if the rich are getting treated like this in prison, surely it’s going to be even worse for literally anyone else.

Skydancer ,

It already is

Treczoks ,

Do you really expect a jail to cook things in butter? If they could get away with it, they would probably cook things in waste oil from the next garage.

Guntrigger ,

True enough, but it was just an example. More likely something like mashed potato will have milk or other dairy. Even vegetarian nutriloaf might not qualify as vegan.

Point is not everything that starts out vegan ends up vegan on the plate.

Lazylazycat ,
@Lazylazycat@lemmy.world avatar

Most margarine isn’t vegan either.

Treczoks ,

It isn’t? What do they put in there to make it non-vegan? The whole idea was to get rid of the expensive animal parts…

Lazylazycat ,
@Lazylazycat@lemmy.world avatar

They usually contain buttermilk or whey (on top of vegetable fat of some kind). They won’t be vegan unless they specifically say they are.

Hazdaz ,

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  • clothes ,

    Seriously, this comment section makes me want to leave Lemmy forever. Why would I build a community with these people?

    FMT99 ,

    It’s like Reddit all over again. Guess we shouldn’t have too high hopes for humanity.

    clothes ,

    I will say that it gives me hope that so many people are pushing back in threads like this. I’ve been trying a lot of platforms in recent months, and places like Tildes, HackerNews, and even Beehaw seem to be better able to have constructive conversations about heated topics. So we’re not alone!

    CaptainEffort ,

    Unfortunately this isn’t just Lemmy, or even Reddit. People irl feel this way.

    Actually, to Lemmy’s credit, I’ve seen way more pushback to that mentality here than I’ve seen anywhere else.

    reddig33 , in Growing share of Americans favor more nuclear power

    I don’t mind more nuclear if it’s done in a modern and safe fashion. The US has a tendency to build old fashioned water cooled reactors that output nuclear waste that we have to find a place for. And we do stupid things like building them on fault lines and flood zones.

    Why not build a pebble reactor? Or molten salt?

    schroedingershat , (edited )

    If this magical reliable, cheap, abundant, fast to deploy molten salt handling technology existed, the people with it would be dominating the storage industry with carnot batteries on every abandoned (and active) coal plant as well as the solar industry with 2c/kWh CSP.

    Diplomjodler ,

    The current gen nuclear reactors are the only ones that have a chance of being built with all the known drawbacks. And even if we started building them like crazy, it would still not be enough to meaningfully contribute to mitigating climate change. All the other designs, like Thorium or SMRs are just pure science fiction and at best decades away from being viable.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    We went to the moon in 8 years.

    Diplomjodler ,

    And it was just dumb luck that all the guys made it back safely.

    Coreidan ,

    At least that’s what they want you to think

    Stoneykins ,

    The reason not to build those things is we don’t know how yet? Not well, for power production.

    There is a clear path forward. The only place where nuclear fits in the puzzle is specific locations where wind and solar are non-viable.

    Ryumast3r ,

    They are funding modern reactor research/development. One example is x energy.

    x-energy.com

    Kalcifer , (edited ) in Hollywood studio Lionsgate brings back mask mandate amid Covid spike

    I hope that these decisions don’t become more widespread.

    Edit: For the sake of clarity, I, of course, respect the fact that a private business is free to make such decisions, and I do understand that the likely reason for this decision was to, as was mentioned, reduce profit loss by keeping employees healthy, but I still do not wish for mask mandates to make a widespread return; their all-too-recent existence is not a memory that I think too fondly of.

    Squizzy ,

    Why? Does it personally affect you?

    Kalcifer ,

    If it were to, once again, become more widespread, then, yes, it would begin to personally affect me, just as it already has.

    Natanael ,

    Oh no something that is good for protecting your health is happening. Quickly, throw ice on all stairs and remove all car brakes!

    Kalcifer ,

    I have no desire for someone to force something on me “for my own good”. If something is truly beneficial, then the public will freely adopt it; people generally won’t willingly endanger themselves. What the conversation should be about is if you are endangering the life of another.

    Side note, your argument for throwing ice on stairs is lacking scope. If it was one’s personal stairs then by all means; however, an area that is to be expected to be used by the public cannot willfully endanger them; If not a criminal charge, then it is certainly a lawsuit waiting to happen. As for removing car brakes, again that depends on exactly what you mean. If the car is not in such a state that would recklessly endanger the life of another, then why would it matter?

    All in all, one should look at things in such a way as to balance public safety, and individual liberty. It is always a trade off. I personally would err on the side of liberty, but this is not without its realistic restrictions.

    coheedcollapse ,

    Quick question. I just need a yes or no answer. Would you wear a mask if you weren’t being forced to?

    Kalcifer ,

    That question is a little more complicated than one that can be answered by a simple “yes”, or “no”. The simplest answer that I can give is that I’m not opposed to wearing a mask; however, whether or not I would choose to wear one is highly dependent on circumstance.

    Chariotwheel ,

    If something is truly beneficial, then the public will freely adopt it

    Hah. Look up how some people fought seat belt laws. Just like masks and vaccines they're not actually doing much most of the time, but you'll be glad to have them when it matters, or rather you will be missing them when it matters.

    loutr ,
    @loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

    People fought against drunk driving laws lol, with pretty much the same “personal freedom” arguments.

    aDuckk ,
    Kalcifer ,

    Look up how some people fought seat belt laws.

    Seat belt laws are not an equivalent example. Unless one has fellow passengers, not wearing a seat-belt is of no risk to anyone but oneself.

    Just like masks and vaccines they’re not actually doing much most of the time

    Then why enforce rules when there is no risk to anyone? To enforce a rule is to say that there is an aggression that is being controlled.

    Chariotwheel ,

    You completely misread what I wrote.

    Kalcifer ,

    Would you mind pointing out what I misunderstood?

    Stoneykins , (edited )

    You just left out the rest of the sentence when you quoted “… but you’ll be glad to have them when it matters, or rather you will be missing them when it matters.”

    And the point is most people don’t get in daily car accidents, and putting on your mask doesn’t necessarily mean you will be exposed to a disease that day. They are a type of safety precaution you sometimes use in situations where they don’t do anything, and that doesn’t mean that they were useless, it means no dangerous stuff happened.

    That kind of danger, the kind that only gets you 1/10 times, is the kind people are famously bad at understanding. Our instincts say if someone survived doing something unharmed that it is safe, but sometimes riding in a car is safe and sometimes it isn’t. We get too easily comfortable with things we shouldn’t have because their consequences are delayed or inconsistent, and it happens everywhere.

    Eta: I find it odd that the masks bother you more than the spreading disease that they are a “symptom” of. Personally, for over a decade now, I had hoped that sick people around here would start wearing medical masks on their own prerogative, like many other places/cultures already do. It feels on par with washing your hands to me. But then it became a political issue…

    Kalcifer ,

    You just left out the rest of the sentence when you quoted “… but you’ll be glad to have them when it matters, or rather you will be missing them when it matters.”

    Why would one “be missing them”? I would assume that whatever one needs to reduce risk would generally be available should they have need.

    And the point is most people don’t get in daily car accidents, and putting on your mask doesn’t necessarily mean you will be exposed to a disease that day. They are a type of safety precaution you sometimes use in situations where they don’t do anything, and that doesn’t mean that they were useless, it means no dangerous stuff happened.

    Again, though, why should the government force people to do what is wise for their own personal health, and saftety? A person can assess their own risk, and act accordingly.

    I find it odd that the masks bother you more than the spreading disease that they are a “symptom” of.

    I have no qualm with the use of masks – in actuality, I would encourage it. What I take issue with is the enforcement of their use.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If something is truly beneficial, then the public will freely adopt it

    Sort of like how the public freely adopted using seat belts and speed limits, right?

    Kalcifer ,

    Speed limits, and seat belts are not equivelant examples. A speed limit is a restriction on risk to others, and property, a seatbelt is a reduction on the risk to only oneself, unless one has passengers, but even that has its logical limits. I can perhaps see the parallel you are drawing with speed limits, but I’m not entirely sure that it is necessarily an accurate comparison to make. To speed requires willful intent to endanger. As such, I could see it being argued that it is a violation of the Non-Aggression Principle. Not wearing a mask, however, is really only willful intent to endanger anothor if one is knowingly ill, and willfully spreads it to others (and, if so, it should be punished accordingly); however, if one is not knowingly ill, then there is no aggression.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If one is not knowingly speeding, then they shouldn’t be pulled over, right?

    Kalcifer ,

    Hm, that is a fair point. Perhaps it should come down to reasonably articulable suspicion of public endangerment. You are quite right that ignorance of one’s wrongdoing is no excuse. So perhaps I should restate what I had originally said to instead be that one should only be held accountable if they are spreading a communicable disease to others if they could, on reasonable grounds, be aware of their illness prior to spreading it.

    jtmetcalfe ,

    Pandemics affect communities not individuals

    Kalcifer ,

    While the community suffers the aggragate, the individual is still not individually powerless.

    Raxiel ,

    Your mask isn’t there for your own good. Wearing a mask may reduce the viral load you may receive if you’re exposed, improving the odds your immune system can stamp out any nascent infection, but that’s just a bonus.
    The purpose of a mask in a mask mandate is to protect others from you in the event you’re infected but in the window between becoming infectious and becoming symptomatic and therefore aware (and possibly beyond if you’re the kind of person that knowingly mixes with others and coughs openly when sick). Because it’s for people who don’t know they’re sick, it only works if everyone does it. So it’s mandated for the good of the whole.
    This was particularly important with the original strain of SARS-COV-2 because it had a particularly long incubation period.
    The more aggressive variants since, along with more sensitive immune responses in most people due to vaccination, exposure, or both have shrunk that window significantly, but it hasn’t disappeared.
    General, society wide, mandates aren’t imo necessary under the prevailing conditions, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be situations (close knit group with a spike in cases for example) where reintroducing such rules make sense.

    Kalcifer ,

    Your mask isn’t there for your own good. Wearing a mask may reduce the viral load you may receive if you’re exposed, improving the odds your immune system can stamp out any nascent infection, but that’s just a bonus. The purpose of a mask in a mask mandate is to protect others from you in the event you’re infected but in the window between becoming infectious and becoming symptomatic and therefore aware (and possibly beyond if you’re the kind of person that knowingly mixes with others and coughs openly when sick). Because it’s for people who don’t know they’re sick, it only works if everyone does it.

    This is, indeed, a critical issue to note. When thinking about such types of policy (I’m referring to policy on the government level), I try to follow the “non-aggression principle”. What one must then ask is: “Does not wearing a mask violate the NAP?”. If one is aware of their transmissable ilness and is knowingly spreading it to others by not wearing a mask, then this certainly would be a violation of the NAP. In such cases, one would be required to wear a mask. Now if we are talking about a case where an individual isn’t ill, yet their bodily autonomy is still being infringed upon by being forced to wear a mask, then this would also be a violation of the NAP. That being said, things become a bit more grey if we are talking about the situation where one could transmit an ilness asymptomatically. I’m inclined to say that, in this transition point, it would be best to rely on people’s own precautionary measures like getting vaccinated, and self-masking; however, I agree that I am biased into this line of thought. (Some extra discussion if you are interested)

    This was particularly important with the original strain of SARS-COV-2 because it had a particularly long incubation period.

    Please forgive me if I am incorrect – epidemiology is certainly not my strong suit – but isn’t this statement contradictory? I have the understanding that “incubation period” means that one is asymptomatic while the virus replicates within themself.

    Incubation period (also known as the latent period or latency period) is the time elapsed between exposure to a pathogenic organism, a chemical, or radiation, and when symptoms and signs are first apparent. – Wikipedia:

    If one is asymptomatic (no coughing, no runny nose, no sneezing, etc.) then wouldn’t they not be transmitting the virus? The only thing that I can think of is that one may be sluffing off virus through physical contact, but, if so, there are a few issues: the first issue would be that masking would then become pointless, and the other would be that one could simply wash their hands after contact, unless, of course, we are talking about a virus that could hypothetically be absorbed through the skin.

    General, society wide, mandates aren’t imo necessary under the prevailing conditions, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be situations (close knit group with a spike in cases for example) where reintroducing such rules make sense.

    I have no issue with a closed group deciding to implement such restrictions amongst themselves; people are free to do as they wish so long as it does not infringe on the lives of others. I just, personally, hope that this doesn’t become more widespread, yet again.

    HellAwaits ,

    If something is truly beneficial, then the public will freely adopt it; people generally won’t willingly endanger themselves.

    You’re extremely naive if you think that’s true. Explain the thousands upon thousand of COVID death that were due to people not following the most vanilla guidelines to prevent that from happening in the first place.

    Kalcifer ,

    I did say “generally”. Also, in the general sense – I’m not specifically talking about Covid – if a person chooses to endanger themself, then that is not of my concern.

    grayman ,

    TSA mandates will be announced in about a week. It’s already been leaked. Two weeks to slow the spread. Literally. Same playbook as last time. I expect them to stick around for much much longer.

    Kalcifer ,

    TSA mandates will be announced in about a week. It’s already been leaked.

    Do you have any source for that claim?

    grayman ,

    It’s all over the regular places that would report that kind of thing. There’s a coordinated leak and media thing that seems to be going on. I’ve even seen it reported on YT in the last couple of days. They started with the new strain new booster news a couple days ago in mass media, which was another thing leaked 2 weeks ago.

    Kalcifer , (edited )

    It’s all over the regular places that would report that kind of thing.

    I remind you, this is not a source. The entire point of citing a source is so that the reader is not required to assume the information’s origin, nor to place trust in its purveyor.

    grayman ,

    Just like reddit, giving a specific source turns the discussion to the source. Go use your preferred search engine. I told you there’s fish in that spot. I’m not going to hand you the fish because you don’t like fishing.

    Kalcifer ,

    Just like reddit, giving a specific source turns the discussion to the source.

    I’m sorry, what? This statement makes little sense. Are you saying that you are opposed to citing sources because you think that someone will claim that your source is non-trustworthy? That is litterally the entire point of citing a source.

    Ironically, if one does look into your claim, they may come across this article. A nice excerpt from it is as follows:

    CLAIM: Transportation Security Administration managers were told on Aug. 15 that by mid-September they, along with airport employees, will again be required to wear face masks and by mid-October the policy will apply to travelers as well. Further, the managers were told that COVID-19 lockdowns will return by December.

    AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. No such announcement was made to TSA managers, an agency spokesperson told The Associated Press. A spokesperson for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which issued a now-expired travel mask mandate in 2021, confirmed that such rumors are “utterly false.”

    THE FACTS: With COVID-19 hospitalizations steadily inching up in the U.S. since early July, some on social media are falsely claiming that federal employees were told that mask requirements and other pandemic-era restrictions will start returning this fall.

    The claim originated on the Aug. 18 episode of “The Alex Jones Show,” where its namesake host said an anonymous “high-level manager in the TSA” and an unnamed “Border Patrol-connected” source told him about the alleged announcement. Jones is known for spreading conspiracy theories.

    athos77 ,

    It's been a week, I'm still waiting on those TSA mandates. ... Hell, I'm still waiting on the National Guard's mass round-ups into those non-existent FEMA camps ....

    Spliffman1 , in Sam Bankman-Fried living on bread and water because jail won't abide vegan diet, lawyer says
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    But is it vegan bread?

    olutukko ,

    Most likely. At least where I’m from bread is usually made just with water and plant oil, not butter or milk

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