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Aux , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

The less people - the less pollution. Everything’s going the way it should, relax.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Ecofasism ☕

Aux ,

No, it’s nature’s self regulation. And every time humans intervene - the real shit happens. Just relax this time, for fucks sake.

Surreal ,

The house is on fire and this guy is sitting in the house telling people who’s trying to put the fire out to relax

Aux ,

You can’t put out the fire. YOU are the fire.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
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Yikes to the max homie

Gork ,

You mean population reduction of poor and homeless people. The rich elites won’t be dying of heat stroke.

Aux ,

Well, don’t be poor, lol.

MoonHawk ,

This is a bad take… Regions affected with mass migration, people without solid infrastructure, AC or clean water, people not able to move are in danger. They are not the ones polluting. Hypothetically you have 50% less people. Great. Think about who is still there and if pollution really is in decline then.

Aux ,

It’ll work itself out in the end.

mayo ,
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Adapt or die, basically.

Aux ,

That’s how nature works.

mayo ,
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I know, but I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of it.

Kecessa ,

Problem is we’re on our way to reach a point where even if we stopped all our GHG emissions, just the melting of the ice caps and thawing of the permafrost will be enough to create a self sustaining global warming event.

Ryumast3r ,

If you’re talking about the Clathrate Gun hypothesis, that’s no longer considered relevant for the near-future climate crisis.

Aux ,

It’s ok. The planet right now is much cooler than it used to be.

Kecessa ,

“It’s ok, the planet is cooler than it was when it would have been uninhabitable for humans.”

Way to go 👍

Aux ,

Who cares about humans?

Kecessa ,

Maybe you should since you’re one…

Aux ,

Well, I don’t, sorry.

mayo ,
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Literally our entire human civilization occurs during a stable climate. If the earth were hotter we’d probably never have reached 8 billion, or if we did it would have been through another way. This is going to be a rough ride, especially for the kids.

Aux ,

Well, if it’s about the humans for you, then I have bad news for you…

mayo ,
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Nah that’s not it for me, but just that it will be the next generation whose will have it worse.

vin , in ‘People need to be riled up’: meteorologist names US heatwaves after oil and gas giants

Brilliant idea! Could do other companies that lobby against decarbonisation. But wouldn’t this have trademark issues?

afraid_of_zombies ,

I thought you can only own a trademark in context.

vin ,

Apple doesn’t seem to think so :D

CuriousLibrarian , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates

I know that the international ultra conservative movement wants to erase LBGTQ rights, but this is one I hadn’t considered. Chiseling away the rights of gay parents in order to jealously guard the “traditional” family is mean and stupid.

gAlienLifeform ,
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WalrusDragonOnABike ,

As someone whose had a lesbian non-biological parent and a birther go to the court over our custody in Texas, I'm thankful the judge recognized my mom's legitimacy as our parent and gave her full custody. But it could have easily turned out differently simply because of the non-biological parent part, but at least her name was on our birth certificates and we had her last name from birth. Can't imagine it would have turned out the same otherwise despite the other person clearly being totally unfit to raise children.

The politicians acting like this isn't discrimination that acts against the interests of children are lying or ignorant of the downstream consequences.

MomoTimeToDie ,

So your argument is completely unqualified conjecture about what a judge might have done differently, given your presumed total lack of legal qualifications?

FlyingSquid ,
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Exactly. This is going to lead to taking children out of loving homes.

And that’s by design.

EhList ,
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Not just that but it complicates things as the non-birth parent loses legal right so if the birth mom dies and dad was a donor the kid has no parent.

MomoTimeToDie ,

Having a non-biological parents recorded on a birth certificate is just about the farthest thing from a right. Quit the bullshit alarmism.

gAlienLifeform , in Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft and other tech firms agree to AI safeguards set by the White House
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Biden announced that his administration has secured voluntary commitments

So what’s the enforcement mechanism when these companies break these commitments? This sounds like it was just a big marketing event for tech companies.

lagomorphlecture ,

Without bothering to read the article or investigate I’m going to say absolutely nothing. Because without legislation and steep fines they will do what they want. But if they’re under scrutiny they might try to be less blatant and hide it better so there’s that, I guess.

eguidarelli ,

The four tech giants, along with ChatGPT-maker OpenAI and startups Anthropic and Inflection, have committed to security testing “carried out in part by independent experts” to guard against major risks, such as to biosecurity and cybersecurity, the White House said in a statement.

That testing will also examine the potential for societal harms, such as bias and discrimination, and more theoretical dangers about advanced AI systems that could gain control of physical systems or “self-replicate” by making copies of themselves.

The companies have also committed to methods for reporting vulnerabilities to their systems and to using digital watermarking to help distinguish between real and AI-generated images or audio known as deepfakes.

These commitments are faster to secure while slower steps like creating regulations through laws can come after.

lagomorphlecture ,

I don’t disagree, but voluntary agreements really mean nothing. If we were talking about companies with a good track record then sure, but webare talking about companies with a track record of deception and unsavory activities.

eguidarelli ,

Is the alternative that we do nothing in the short term while we wait for new laws? Sure voluntary agreements may not be fully enforced but even if one of these companies followed some of those restrictions then I’d say that it worked.

subignition ,
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I've seen double posting, but quintuple is new lol

eguidarelli ,

Memmy problems lol oops!

soulifix ,

We need a more up to date government that actually understands technology, the history of these companies and their practices. Until we get that government, this is all just fluff. Unfortunately in the back of my mind, it’ll take decades before we get one and for now these tech companies have been running wild knowing that our current government has absolutely zero understanding of technology.

afraid_of_zombies , in ‘People need to be riled up’: meteorologist names US heatwaves after oil and gas giants

If they run out of names go ahead and name them after Evengelical leaders

Amilo159 , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates
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From the article “Surrogacy is illegal in Italy, and gay marriage has not been legalized. Because same-sex relationships aren’t recognized in law, the non-biological parent has to make a special case for legally adopting their child.”

Makes sense, local government is simply following the law.

beto ,
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You realize most atrocities in history were done “just following the law”, right?

Swedneck ,
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y’all ever consider changing the law instead of enforcing something monstrous?

BombOmOm ,
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Having the birth-parents on the birth certificate is ‘monstrous’? Come now.

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

As someone who probably would have had to deal with a decade of abuse and neglect as a child if such a change had happened in Texas 20 years ago, I can prefer confidently say yes, it is monstrous.

BombOmOm ,
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Who would be abusing you for your birth parents being on your birth certificate? The only people who see that document are the people raising you and the DMV/Passport office.

Unaware7013 ,

....do you not understand how an abusive parent being on the birth certificate would have legal and custody implications?

That's not something that only the DMV/passport office sees, family judges see and may use that to determine custody arrangements, which can lead to abuse. I'm not sure how you managed to ignore the biggest and most obvious implications of changing parentage on the birth certificate.

BombOmOm ,
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…do you not understand how an abusive parent being on the birth certificate would have legal and custody implications?

One’s adoptive parents have full custody, that is the point of adoption.

MomoTimeToDie ,

It’s unfortunate that this community just mass downvotes anyone percieved as going against the approved narrative, even if it’s literally just stating facts.

MomoTimeToDie ,

Who would be abusing you for your birth parents being on your birth certificate

Nobody because he’s just making up random conjecture out of his ass so he can pretend he’s persecuted

dragonflyteaparty ,

That’s not what it said. It said it only allows biological parents and that adoption by same sex parents requires special permission. Please don’t change the argument until something else.

CeruleanRuin ,

You know how many outmoded and idiotic laws are still on the books, but are simply ignored because it’s embarrassing to even acknowledge them? Law is not absolute.

dragonflyteaparty ,

Absolutely. So they should be able to ignore the above quoted law.

lorez ,

I’m Italian and I’m ashamed.

Jaysyn ,
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Makes sense, local government is simply following the law.

... is what a fascist sympathizer would say in this situation.

MomoTimeToDie ,

Hey buddy, fascism isn’t just whenever you don’t actually have the ability to defend your position

stevedidWHAT , in 26-year-old allegedly enrolled in Nebraska high school and sent sexually explicit text messages to underage students, police say
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Jesus Christ how the fuck do you allow people to enroll without a fucking social security number bro what

Are these states okay? I feel like florida is leaking

Blamemeta ,

Its a public school, and not every kid is going to have a ssn.

stevedidWHAT ,
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Please explain. Far as I know, if you’re a citizen of the US you have an ID tied to your DOB (unlike a physical license which in theory is easier to fake rather than having a remote db of this info)

It is inexcusable that this school couldn’t figure out how to positively fucking identify someone’s age. Imagine having children in this era of “we have to account for everyone’s circumstances or nobodies at all”

Blamemeta ,

Think immigrants. And you don’t have to be a citizen to go to public schools.

stevedidWHAT , (edited )
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The US govt has IDs for all of these things. I do not subscribe to a model of all or nothing either.

Something is better than nothing.

Edit: edited to remove purposeless jabs at someone who was just trynna answer my question

Sometimes I do the dumb

SomeoneElse ,

It’s not blamemeta’s “model of all or nothing”. You asked them to explain why schools don’t require SSN or why some children don’t have them. They told you two reasons why.

stevedidWHAT ,
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You’re right thanks for the second look and for bein pretty patient

SomeoneElse ,

No problem, happens to the best of us sometimes. How refreshingly civil is Lemmy’s comment section compared to Reddit’s toxicity?!

stevedidWHAT ,
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Quenching a thirst i had forgotten about

notfromhere ,

As a lurker, I just wanted to say thanks for the civil discourse.

SomeoneElse ,

Lurk no more - it’s much nicer here!

TenderfootGungi ,

They do, but most kids don’t have them.

stevedidWHAT ,
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Most kids don’t have what sorry

TenderfootGungi ,

IDs. States issue formal IDs to non-drivers. We got one for our kids before traveling abroad (and passports). It looks just like a drivers license.

FunderPants , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates

Nothing says family first like legally busting up families.

SHamblingSHapes , in 26-year-old allegedly enrolled in Nebraska high school and sent sexually explicit text messages to underage students, police say
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Excerpt from linked article:

During a news conference Friday, Lincoln Public Schools superintendent Paul Gausman said Scheich had enrolled by submitting a birth certificate, an out-of-district high school transcript and immunization records.

“All those documents turned out to be fraudulent,” said Gausman.

SuperSleuth , (edited ) in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

I’m not saying the climate isn’t changing but you have to account for population.

https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/0c9e3c3c-4bd6-4ac9-b913-5447cca131cb.webp

0ddysseus ,

You’re right but the lines are still diverging exponentially. I wonder what the age demographic is too…

mayo ,
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Elderly and homeless

gAlienLifeform ,
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Except the slope of your graph looks like a kicker ramp while OP looks more like a quarter pipe, so it really doesn’t look like population growth can account for the uptick in heat deaths

Stovetop ,

Devil’s advocate: type of population also makes a difference. If that uptick in population is predominantly elderly, for instance, you’re gonna see the rate of susceptibility skyrocket relative to the whole.

But that is not to dismiss the reality of climate change. It just illustrates the potential for dangerously synergistic factors to be considered when evaluating risk that we’ll need to keep in mind as we try to keep existing in this ever-hotter world.

SuperSleuth ,

Still a 4x population increase since 1970. The point is op’s graph is misleading not climate change doesn’t exist. Even then you still have to account for demographics and such. Here’s a more dramatic graph for you: https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/846acbf1-0480-4548-8413-8566e641a0f5.webp

gAlienLifeform ,
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Still a ~10x increase in heat deaths.

And I don’t know if it is misleading, why does it make sense to adjust for population here? Like, objectively more people are preventable dying from heat, and “There would be fewer preventable deaths if fewer people were around to die of preventable causes” isn’t a very satisfying answer to that problem.

SuperSleuth ,

When looking at data on causes of death, adjusting for population size provides important context and allows us to make fairer comparisons over time. The raw number of deaths increasing could be due to a number of factors not directly related to topic. While that isn’t the case here, it necessary to factor this in.

However, you raise a fair point - we should not lose sight of the real human impacts and absolute number of lives lost. Behind every statistic is an individual tragedy. We should have compassion for those suffering while also trying to objectively understand the data.

Perhaps there is room for nuance - we can acknowledge that adjusting for population provides useful perspective, while also recognizing that any preventable loss of life to extreme heat is highly concerning and worthy of solution-oriented discussion. If we aim for intellectual honesty and keep our shared goals of truth and human welfare in mind, we are more likely to have productive dialogues on complex issues like this. You’d call out opposing groups if they were to do this, but it’s fine if it supports a narrative you agree with? We know the climate’s changing we’ve all stepped outside. It’s not necessary to use tactics like this to gain public favor.

gAlienLifeform ,
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This was a really well written comment that gave me a bit to think about, so thank you for the effort you put into it. I’m definitely emotionally engaged by this issue, so maybe I just needed to hear someone else say this

we should not lose sight of the real human impacts and absolute number of lives lost. Behind every statistic is an individual tragedy. We should have compassion for those suffering while also trying to objectively understand the data.

LemurOnRails , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers’ names from children’s birth certificates
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Traditional family-first is good approach, I only wonder why care so much about non traditionals, they probably won't make traditional family anyway lol.

CeruleanRuin ,

How is this “good approach”?

FlyingSquid ,
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Traditional family-first is good approach

Oh, so a man, his 12 children, and his third wife after the first two died in childbirth?

Chickenstalker , in 26-year-old allegedly enrolled in Nebraska high school and sent sexually explicit text messages to underage students, police say

Late 90s romcom turned crime drama.

Old_Fat_White_Guy , in This is not a forecast for 50 years time, it’s happening today.

NGL… First glance at the chart I thought the left hand scale was temperature with a sudden spike to 250°… no wonder people are dying when your iced tea boils in your glass as you try to drink it!

YoBuckStopsHere OP , in Cocaine dumped in the sea off Florida could have 'crazy' consequences if sharks eat it, scientists find
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Hollywood: Cocaine Shark coming to a theater near you!

dmention7 ,

I feel like there’s an opportunity to work Great White into the title, but I haven’t had enough coffee to work it out yet lol

Dark_Arc ,
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Great White Fury: A Shark Tale (?)

dismalnow ,
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Cocaine dropped in water off coast of Florida could turn Great White into Mötley Crüe.

001100010010 ,
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Damn, I clicked on this post just to make this joke.

stu ,
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They could call it Lock Jaws 🤣

Stovetop ,

Make it Cocaine Sharknado and you’ll really get butts into seats at the theater.

Four_lights77 , in Italy starts removing lesbian mothers' names from children's birth certificates

If they think we’ll stop fighting for our collective rights to live and love, they are wrong. It doesn’t matter how long it takes.

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