Who cares he has 47 weapons. You only have 2 hands. What you think he is going to do? Strap 30 glocks to his leg?
Who cares he has 26000 rounds. Do you know how heavy ammo is? What you think is he going to do? Walk around with a shopping cart full of ammo? Strap 50 magazines to his chest?
It still amazes me that people fall for this "quantity " argument. It means nothing. Someone is not more dangerous with 500 rifles or 5 rifles.
Yeah I mean to be fair there are tons of gun enthusiasts that also have an insane number of guns and ammo (because they regularly go shooting at a range or something for fun).
It goes to show how sometimes it’s not just because they’re enthusiasts though but because they’re actually nuts. Seeing as this guy was a judge I doubt there would be any way of stopping him from stockpiling that much weaponry.
Well isn’t that exactly the point? What possible reason does a murderer need with 47 guns and 26,000 rounds of ammunition? He only has two hands and couldn’t conceivably carry a tenth of that at any given time.
There’s a few reasons people collect guns. Some people just like guns, and appreciate the craftsmanship and variety of weapons. Like any hobby, it’s easy to end up with way more stuff than might seem reasonable to an outside observer.
But this guy was a judge. If he was an avid stamp collector, and had a basement full of stamps, nobody would care that he had an obsessive hobby until he decided to dissolve his wife in a vat of stamp preservative or whatever. 47 might seem like a reasonable number of guns to a lot of folks, but we can all agree that’s still more than anyone needs for things like hunting or self defense.
Another reason to collect guns is because you’re prepping for… something. Collapse of some sort, or maybe the government is going to start piling up bodies so they can take guns from cold, dead hands. Whatever happens, you’re going to need weapons in all calibers, and ammo will become the new currency.
But again, this guy was a State Supreme Court Justice, and not for some podunk state like that one state we’re all thinking of. No, he was among the top jurists in Califuckingfornia, a high arbiter of justice and the rule of law in the most populous and prosperous state. If this piece of shit was also a prepper, what in the sam hill is he prepping for?
There are probably other reasons to have a big collection of guns. But given that he murdered his wife, I think we can agree that his specific, violent version of crazy is relevant to the conversation.
Yes you got the point. I’ve heard that in Israel you can have one gun. When you leave the shooting range you must buy 50 bullets. If you go back and have less than 50 bullets, they need you to justify why that’s the case, or they refer it to police or something. I know something like this would not fly in America, but maybe it’s a regime we could work our way towards
Yeah, it’s pretty easy to tell that you haven’t been around guns much. 50 rounds isn’t much and isn’t reasonable for any purpose from hobby to sport usage or even proficiency for someone who uses them professionally. The amount of ammo I shoot on any given range trip? Varies from 20 to hundreds and hundreds of rounds; it depends on the day, weather and dozens of other factors. Even the concept of only being able to buy a single box the day of is hugely problematic. For the most common calibers like 9mm prices over the past decade have varied from less than $ .30 a round to over $2.00 per round, if you could even get it. There have been periods of months to years where getting a single box every 3 months was difficult/near impossible. I have one rifle that is a family heirloom that I haven’t found ammunition in stock for over a decade and have never shot it since inheriting it.
The ammunition market is 100 times more volatile than a cardboard box soaked in gasoline holding 100lbs of gunpowder. Having a few thousand rounds doesn’t mean you’re planning anything bad, it’s a drop in the bycket to sustain occasional shooting for 6 months despite never ending supply issues that have been going on for years. If I see ammo at a fair price I buy as much of it as I can. On any given day I might be able to shoot half of the guns I own if I so desire due to the availability of ammo, and that includes the stuff I make on my own in my garage.
I’ve been around guns. I know 50 rounds is practically nothing. I was shocked when my friend explained the law there to me. Just providing an alternative perspective
Limiting ammunition isn’t effective, Limiting magazine capacity on the other hand. I live in Europe where firearms are heavily regulated, yet they don’t care about the amount of ammunition. In fact, you always get a 30% discount if you buy bulk and bulk means per 1000 for quality and per 1400 for surplus. If you have 6 different calibers it adds up quickly. That’s how much they care. There is a limit on the weight of total gunpowder before you need a fireworks storage permit though… there are a lot of gun owners in Europe, but we don’t practice in schools and shopping malls, I don’t know what is wrong with America
I also don’t know what is wrong, but as a citizen here, I’d like to try anything and everything to prevent mass murder. I don’t see how limiting ammunition wouldn’t work towards that goal
I also like firearms. And I am a normal european 9to5 guy with a job in health care. Over here being interested in firearms means nothing, it’s not different from, let’s say, owning a horse ;)
It’s the same how many conservatives couldn’t care less if their kid sees a pg-13 level of a hookup in a movie, but cries if there’s a gay couple in a pixar KID movie.
I know this is more “celebrity” than news, but I’d seen discussions on whether it was better to visit (as a misguided attempt to help via tourism dollars) or stay away.
Yeah, every touristy place hates tourists. Who wouldn’t? They’re noisy, they crowd the beaches and sights and restaurants. Everybody hates tourists…until they stop showing up. It turns out that tourist dollars are pretty intimately connected with tourists.
If you'd actually bothered reading any of those, you would have realise that that wasn't actually true (almost none of the money actually goes to the natives and nor do many of the jobs), but sure, keep your head in the sand, I hear it's cosy, just like the fantasy that you know better than the people actually living there.
Tourist money doesn’t go into a hotel employee’s pocket and just sit there forever. Employees involved in the tourist industry buy food, clothing, and entertainment, and hire plumbers and painters and construction workers, and pay taxes, which in turn fund schools and roads and emergency services (like, say, firefighters).
You can’t get rid of tourism and the 25% of GDP it represents, and just go on with the same quality of life.
But I mean, if Hawaiian want to stop tourism, they should vote to stop tourism. There’s nothing stopping them from banning hotels or whatever.
Which is why I'm blocking OP now. I won't be having any Nazi propagandists posting on my feed if I can help it. Fuck Republicans. Fuck Fox News. Fuck em now, fuck em tomorrow, fuck em all, forever.
My neighbors are going for 2 weeks in a week. They’ve been planning for more than a year. This will be their last chance to go as a family of 4. I can’t see them canceling.
Visiting a burning, inhospitable hellscape where people are actively dying and the rest are having their entire lives destroyed, and doing it for fun because “well, we’ve been planning it for a while, and want to go somewhere as a family and can’t come up with anything else exotic enough for our standards on short notice” is incredibly trashy and selfish.
They sound like shitty people, honestly, and I hope they have an awful time.
Talking of ‘having their whole lives destroyed’ - presumably the people actually working in and running the hotels want them there - or else they would be closed
I genuinely don’t care. Using the location of ongoing mass human sufferring as a tourist destination is disgusting and entirely indefensible. “I couldn’t get a refund” is not a valid excuse.
I’m not rich at all. I’ll never be able to afford to retire, much less drop everything to go to fucking Hawaii on vacation. I’m just not a shitty person with no empathy.
We were planning to go in a month and we’re trying to cancel. Virtually none of the companies were willing to offer a refund (including a luau in Lahaina)
Once the fire started threatening kaanapali our hotel & such has started to offer refunds with an understandably long wait time.
We just switched islands, but we’re pretty privileged to afford to buy a whole different vacation while waiting on refunds.
Damn. I am on the same boat and planning to try and get refunds this week. The resort already offered a credit for up to 2 years but I don’t want a credit, just a refund. How is it going for you?
That’s what we were told too. We made a post on Facebook tagging them and what their protocol was, and they reached out and changed their mind.
Who knows when I’ll get the money back though.
We booked Kauai and we’re really excited. Definitely cost a couple grand extra for the trip, and we’re owed about 4K in refunds. My heart goes out to those that can’t simply fork out that kinda cash.
Also if you paid for the hotel with a credit card, most cards offer free travel insurance. You can file a claim there and get a refund.
Oh yeah I bet their economy can handle no tourism when it needs money the most. This is really bad for them. They need to encourage tourism but what is there left?
This is happening in the wealthiest nation in human history. The government has an unquestionable obligation to provide relief for these people. Suggesting that keeping the victims of this disaster in the area and going to work while their homes are still burning is an acceptable answer is revolting. Fuck this disgusting “but what about the economy” attitude.
We went to the big island during an eruption in 2018. I didn’t want to go but my family wouldn’t cancel. The air was full of vog. It was gross and everyone in our group was cranky. I’m sure your neighbor will not get the trip they planned for.
If we forced airlines to honor rescheduling for not a huge cost then this wouldn't be as much of an issue. But I imagine those thousands in ticket prices can't really be burned without canceling the trip for the foreseeable future.
Nows the time for them to use that travel insurance and get a full refund. They may be putting themselves in danger and, regardless, they will be vacationing where people are actively suffering.
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