ToS that enforces 16+ to post content of themselves as the main focus of their channel. Definitely not require any sort of ID. If they’re proven to be lying, or are clearly and visibly under 16, then ban.
Okay the age part doesn’t seem pragmatic at all since aging a kid based on only appearances is wildly inconsistent, and now you’ve banned someone so they just make another account.
I’m sorry, I’m confused. I asked how someone who wanted to ban child influencers would accomplish that, and you gave a small list of things you would do to do it, and then when it didn’t work you said that was the whole point?
Is your point that you can’t do it? And if so, why did you offer up something if you figured it wouldn’t even work?
If they’re ban evading, they’re just going to keep getting rebanned and isn’t an influencer at that point. Appearances is a difficult problem, and unless it’s very obvious they’re under 16, they shouldn’t be banned. The alternative is that you ask for IDs to guarantee this, which is horrible. It’d be much more preferable to let this small problem run rampant, since it’s significantly less harmful then requiring IDs which I hope I don’t need to explain why that’s extremely bad, privacy invasive, and a security nightmare.
I don't think it should be banned outright, but there definitely needs to be more regulation in this field. Child influencers are basically child actors, who have notoriously been taken advantage of by the entertainment industry for ages. While regulations have made things a lot better for child actors, it's still not perfect, but way better than before. There should be pushes for similar protections for child influencers, since they're basically doing the same thing, just on social media instead of in film.
“I’m poor so I’m not responsible for stealing luxury goods and bear spraying minimum wage security guards.”
I grew up poor. I didn’t do this. Your comment is dripping with the implicit accusation that poor people are basically just animals. Incapable of controlling themselves when they see nice handbags.
Poverty doesn’t affect everyone the same. To try to discount the fact that poverty increases crime just because you aren’t a criminal is ignoring the complexity of humanity.
To say that this particular crime was caused by poverty also ignores the complexity of humanity.
We can all speculate until we’re blue in the face, but I agree that lessening poverty will lessen crime of most types.
Stealing from wealthy corporations is an extremely valid and morally acceptable form of protest. Hell, it’s a morally good thing to do even if it’s not meant as a protest.
I’m not going to defend assaulting the guards, though, except in the case of self-defense. Store security guards have no business using force against shoplifters, and most company policies align with that fact.
i feel bad for the employees who had to deal with it and clean up after and the guards that got assaulted. i dont feel bad for the above store level managers and execs who have to deal with this shit.
There was also needless destruction. I can see breaking a glass case to grab some watches, but it appears that there was also destruction for the sake of destruction (at least in the video I watched).
Some people dont seem to grasp how all of this works. They seem to think the insurance fairy will pay for the damages and not the businesses (and finally the customers).
You know, because obviously I'm a complete moron who has never had an intelligent thought in their life, in your estimation, I'd never thought about that...
Of course premiums will go up. Insurance agencies are predatory scumbags, too. But I still have a hard time feeling sorry for luxury brands having to pay slightly higher premiums than they were before. Shockingly, its still just things.
I know some people put the value of things over all else, but I find that to be a shortsighted and selfish way of thinking.
Who actually gives a fuck about corporate property being destroyed? These companies commit more theft from their workers than all other theft combined. They objectively deserve this.
You know someone is a shit person when they equate income with value as a human being.
Even if that were a valid take, almost every working poor person contributes more to society than nearly any rich person does, and would therefore still have more human worth.
Feel free to explain why it’s not objectively a good act to steal from the entities that themselves commit the overwhelming majority of theft, intentionally, systematically, and forcefully hold the majority of the worlds working population either in actual slavery, poverty, or at least unjustifiable and extreme financial insecurity that technically isn’t poverty because government definitions of poverty are patently absurd, and and who are actively and knowingly driving us towards towards the collapse of the environment and the greater part of biological life itself.
I’ll give you a hint: you’re actually just wrong by any standard that values human life in any way.
Everybody has different needs, but imo if you work as a security guard for a place like this AND take it seriously you not only signed up for violence but you deserve it. These companies are robbing us blind of good health, personal space and time on the planet- why defend that?
TFA even mentions that one of the getaway cars was a BMW. Undoubtedly, there were both impoverished people and people who jumped at an opportunity involved.
Making people respond like you just did is the only reason they included the BMW part. I’m in California and there are pages and pages of early to mid 2000s BMWs available near me for less than $5k, which is significantly less than I paid for my car that no one would ever look at and think I’m rich.
If poverty was driving crime rates, then most of the world (as most countries are much much poorer than the US) would be a crime infested shit hole. Somehow that’s not true at all. US crime is not related to poverty in any way.
All you have to do is look at the crime statistics and income statistics for cities across North America. Cities that have lower GDPs (less money, less opportunity) generally have higher crime rates. If despair is high, people will act out of desperation. What you are wilfully ignoring is the fact that “countries that are poorer than the US” also are drastically different culturally than the US. Almost nowhere else on Earth has the same kind of income disparity that the US has. You can’t take a developing nation where 50% of people live in poverty, and compare it to a developed nation where no one needs to live in poverty but are forced to do so by manipulated housing and job markets.
Of course poor people aren’t “basically just animals”, the OP didn’t imply that. What the OP is saying is that when genuine opportunity doesn’t exist, some people will find their own opportunity and/or weigh the consequences of their actions differently.
Wealth and income disparity have consequences and this is one of them. Public unrest is another eventual outcome. Something needs to be done about it or something will be done about it.
I think there is a reasonable argument for “appropriate for young children,” “appropriate for older children” and “appropriate for adults” as ratings. They don’t have to be adhered to strictly or anything, but having had a young child, knowing if a film is G or PG can make a difference, not to mention PG or R.
Films should be thought provoking at times. “Whats that daddy/mommy?” Should often be a question asked after the movie ends. But it’s gotta be in doses, you can’t show a 6y/o kid all of the reasons a film is rated R all at once and expect them to process it enough to ask questions
I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution and I agree with you, I’m just saying we need a way for parents to know if their 6-year-old is going to be seeing people fucking and chopping each other’s heads off before showing them to the movie.
The kids grew up learning heists on gta online, I for one approve of this well coordinated maneuvering against the establishment that steals from its people every day.
I have had many arguments with people over the fact you shouldn't want to shoot someone over property. I'm a gun owner but I don't carry a gun and I don't believe a life is worth less than property. The amount of people I know who carry a gun and have said they would shot someone for stealing is incredibly high and troubling.
I don't know if it is a direct result of the daily dehumanization of ethnic groups and criminals we are bombarded with all day long everyday or if it is much more complex but there is a real problem in the US when large groups of people don't value other people's lives.
Wrong. Rampant theft of labor, and a tacit refusal on the part of our oligarchs to alleviate the crushing weight of cost of living after accounting for rampant inflation and the constant transfers of wealth from the low and “middle”(lmao) classes to the rich over the last 25 years breeds criminals. The more society rots from within, the more criminals you’ll see. It’s a civic issue. It’s a societal issue. It’s unsustainable.
To wit, rising criminality-- if it even exists, which I’m wary to believe given how often settlers cry wolf about it-- will not change until the material conditions guiding our nation changes.
I never said anything about condoning criminality. I said valuing property higher than life isn't right. I said this in another post a few days ago but I'll say it again. I live in a high crime area and I am sick and tired of people stealing from not only me but my neighbors and from businesses that support the community's needs. That doesn't change the fact I think it's morally repugnant to want to kill someone for property theft.
If we invested more in community building and opportunities along with courts and police departments upholding the law we would have less of these types of crimes. Where I live the police stopped policing because they got mad after several officers were charged with the murder of a kid they arrested. In my eyes that makes them the same as the people stealing from the community. The courts here rarely convict juveniles so the kids know they can get away with just about anything.
While I say I live in a high crime area I also know that overall in the US crime rates have been declining over the years especially violent crime rates.
I don't believe a life is worth less than property.
I don’t understand the disconnect some people have when it comes to property. Property (and money) is a store of my time. My literal life. I worked for a year to be able to afford my car. You think someone else is entitled to steal an entire year of my life? That’s as close to endorsement of slavery as it gets. Do I think another should be permitted to steal my life? Absolutely not, under any circumstances. I don’t want to kill anyone, and I’ll give them a warning, but I would absolutely defend my life.
What the FUCK?! I was alive when this happened, remembered all the recounts and buzz about how close it is, and this is still literally the first I’m hearing about it. I didn’t realize just how disconnected from politics my family and circle was. Now I understand the few grumbles I’d hear over the years about how it “should have been gore” I
In the 2000 election in Duval County Florida they threw out over 22,000 votes from the 4 predominately black precincts that trend hard for Dems on the north sdie if Jacksonville. Out of 14 disctricts. A machine discarded these votes and the receipts for count machines were discarded similar to other counties that rushed to discard recorded evidence.
The Secretary of State that ultimately certified the faked vote tallies was Katherine Harris, under the Governor, Jeb “Please clap” Bush, brother of Bush Jr. It was a full rat fuck scenario.
How the fuck is it even possible for a political party to steal an election and we all just roll over and take it because the Supreme Court sided with them?
I thought the system was ours to use as we please, not them.
FWIW Bush Jr. was showered with abuse and had eggs thrown at him and he had to abandon the traditional walk to the Capitol at his inauguration, and he was deeply unpopular at the start of his term. Only 911 bailed him out.
I remember demanding revolution as a college kid on Reddit and getting torn out for it. It’s part of why I hate Reddit. And of course I was right, but they didn’t want to listen because they either secretly agreed with the authoritarianism or they only cared about being able to keep going to McDonald’s and 7-11.
Our people have turned out to be so disgusting and disappointing. I honestly wonder if I shouldn’t expatriate.
This world is lost, all that’s left is to hope for the next life to be more than a fantasy.
Unfortunately I’ve heard it all before “The Right is just being given enough rope to hang themselves, these are the death cries of an old system” or “Eh, Donald Trump’s a joke, those really in command already have it set for Hillary” or “People will revolt this time for REALSIES! They’ve just gone too far THIS TIME!” or “We’ll find a way if it comes to that.”
I pray for death, and for death to not be the end, the world is already lost.
I’m not a fan of either of those individuals. I know Stone has claimed to have played a part (he claims a lot of things and frankly I don’t trust a word that comes out of his mouth), but are you saying Trump was tied to the Brooks Brothers riot in 2000? That’s news to me, and I would be interested to read more about that if you could point me in the right direction.
Trump was doing a third party run to pull votes away from the democrats and then he killed that party by calling them nazis (which they clearly weren’t)
Also, this part I’m unsure of, I think he bankrolled Stone at the time?
Point is it was a very wide net of fucking the system.
The article calls this a “complaint” rather than a “lawsuit” so I guess this is moot.
The couple seems to think people have the right to foster by default, and the regulation sets out conditions for when this right can be revoked.
I’m not sure of the actual law, but it seems to me that the right to foster should be granted on a case by case basis. Regulation should set the necessary requirements, but the department should have the final say on the sufficient requirements. And the department should be allowed to revoke an application for any reason or even no (stated) reason.
Like, you shouldn’t just have the right to foster by default.
A society where a store can sell $2k purses made in sweatshops by children in the 3rd world while its own veterans languish with addiction and PTSD problems brought on by the ever-more-unsustainable quest for cheap oil?
This doesn’t really effect Californians though, except that security guard, rip. The only people it effects is the owners of Nordstrom who lost $500 of stuff they bought from Vietnam.
This happens all over the country all the times I experienced it several times in 2004 to 2007 at one retail store.
In that case it was organized Columbia gangs associated with human trafficking, coyotes would bring people to America and then force them to shoplift. They all arrive at the same time in stolen cars. The car key is left on top of a wheel in the parking lot in case the driver is caught. There wasn’t a department store loss prevention employee in the Northeast that didn’t know about Columbians.
But hey if you’re gullible and love corporate media, do your thing. They never leak the videos of them doing wage theft.
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I’m not going to say this is nothing–because as the ban on tobacco and liquor advertising showed us, it’s not nothing --but is the best we can do banning firearm ads???
Would be much more helpful to target the source of violence. Individuals with a stable job, a family, and healthcare are significantly less likely to commit serious crimes like murder.
There’s guidelines, and according to the text above, the first movie followed them.
But someone has to apply the guidelines, and also what’s fine or not changes over time. Something being rated R is ultimately an opinion.
It’d be cool if there were actual standards, or at least an appeals process so a movie isn’t limited to just the first review if they feel it’s not accurate.
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