I’m not American, and I don’t know exactly what the legal differences are between “indicted”, “charged” and “accused”.
When is he going to be put in handcuffs and detained in a jail cell like a normal person would be if they were suspected of committing a crime (like stealing a handbag for example) but not convicted yet?
12 jurors will decide on his guilt (the standard is proof beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case) after reviewing evidence during his trial which will probably happen next year. If found guilty, the judge will choose a sentence that’s within guidelines outlined in law. Then he’ll be pardoned by the next Republican president.
The jury selection process will need to be particularly thorough for this trial to avoid a bias one way or another. It would be interesting to hear what questions they ask of potential jurors.
Trump has such a large fanatical following that it’s almost certain the next Republican president will use a Trump pardon as a poker chip for gaining party support on whatever plan he needs pushed.
So personally I think it’s almost certain Trump will be pardoned.
But it’s possible he could die in prison before that happens.
The real weirdness happens if he is found guilty under state charges (in New York) and wins the presidency. The federal president can’t pardon state charges - he would take the oath in prison!
I’m not American, and I don’t know exactly what the legal differences are between “indicted”, “charged” and “accused”. When is he going to be put in handcuffs and detained in a jail cell like a normal person would be if they were suspected of committing a crime (like stealing a handbag for example) but not convicted yet?
He is getting slightly better than normal rich person with expensive lawyer treatment.
America, as a pure service economy has prices for bribery and extortion as well as minimum service levels for the legal system. If you pay for economy (with your life) you get a defense attorney appointed by the state who sits across from the judge and DA you’re going to have to deal with, and has lunch with them, or makes deals in the bathroom… They’ll fight to make sure their life doesn’t get disrupted a whole lot and they can keep defending the endless stream of defendants.
The middle tier is the “hire a reptable firm, and get a junior associate” level of service, that’s where you get someone who’s overworked, and desperately trying to keep all their partner’s cases going, and they can spend 1/10th of their time on your case, they don’t have any worries about not having a job though so they can dedicate the time in court to defending you.
The top tier is the “hire a reputable firm, and you get a named partner” they care about their reputation, and make sure they only take cases that will make them look good. And they look good by doing the best damn job they can in front of the cameras, in their filings, and in front of their client. You get the white glove treatment, and 90% of the time of the junior associates helping the partner.
It’s no wonder why you typically only get the “Go home and sleep it off” result from an indictment from the highest tier of service.
The difference between “charged” and “indicted” is who finds probable cause that you committed a crime. If it was a prosecutor, you are charged. If it’s a jury, you’re indicted.
Accused, legally speaking, is a noun meaning a person who has been arrested for or charged with a crime
Money seems to be the difference. I’ve been through the legal system and let me tell you that I wouldn’t be out campaigning if I had three indictments. I’d be sitting in a cell waiting for trial or a plea deal. The fact that he has been spared the same humiliation that anyone else would have been is a crime in and of itself.
Money and support from top and bottom. Rich assholes are supporting him as well as his cult. His biggest asset is probably his ability to sell himself to the ignorant. People criticize his way of speaking, but it’s very effective with the toddlers he’s appealing to.
My company has been WFH since March 2020 and they’ve so far shown no indication of making us return to the office. Could I make more working somewhere else? Easily, but I like being at home with my family. I’ll trade a slightly better salary for that freedom and I suspect a lot of other people will, as well.
We need to handle this carefully. I feel martyr vibes coming from all of this bullshit if he is found guilty. Maybe it’s the part of the US I live in, and the political slant of the people therein, but I see him and his supporters using this to do something even more epically stupid than trying to invade the capital.
I agree, but I don’t know what could be done differently? If people refuse to acknowledge a single thread of evidence that Trump tried to overturn a legitimate election, what can be done to reassure them if he’s put in prison for doing it? The options are give him a fair trial, and sentence him if found guilty or just ignore his crimes completely.
On the other hand, if we’re afraid to prosecute insurrection leaders because of fear of resulting violence, that’s kinda definitionally terrorism (and specifically losing to the terrorists).
I’m not a manager and I like working in the office. I like chatting up members of other teams in the kitchen. Being close to culture spots.
WFH was a hell to me and by the end of it I started developing depression-like symptoms.
I’m not defending RTO, the ability to say “I’ll work from home next Wednesday because I have dentist appointment” is really great thing. But maybe let’s not swing the other way and make it all 100% WFH, shall we?
I don’t think many are advocating for mandated WFH, honestly. At least that isn’t what I’ve seen.
People want the flexibility to choose what works best for them. If that means splitting time, great. If that means 90% in office, great. If that means 100% WFH, great.
I think what we are seeing is that people put real value on the ability to control this part of their lives. I’m sure there are some who would argue for full time WFH for all but I think it’s a way more common sentiment to advocate simply for the ability to choose.
Precisely this. I felt reddit and now lemmy are not entirely in sync with the majority of people. I prefer a hybrid but it’s the CHOICE that should be there. Some want full wfh, some want full time office. So long as everyone can choose, that’s the sweet spot.
I don’t think many are advocating for mandated WFH, honestly. At least that isn’t what I’ve seen.
I do. 90% of job offers I see are “100% WFH, we don’t even have an office”. And I understand that, what’s the point of renting office space if 2-3 people come in?
And in general this decoupling of jobs and location is good. You no longer need to think about which city to live in.
But in my case the current trend seems to start limiting my ability to choose
I imagine this is the case in some fields. I’d guess programming? Having no option for an office is hard.
I’m not actively searching for a job right now but I’m near a fairly large city and a pretty solid majority of what I’ve seen are hybrid right now. But again, near a bigger city and also largely looking at medium or larger companies.
Yes, programming. But I live in the capitol of my country, I have never had this problem before. How will the commute to work look for me was even a part of my screening process
That is definitely a you problem when office culture has caused so much mental illness and stress for the majority of people. You needing a captive audience isn’t a reason to have wfo.
They’re not my captive audience. If anything I more often listen than speak
In half a year of working from office (when it was finally possible) I’ve learned much more about what teams I don’t cooperate directly with do, than in 2 years of WFH.
It’s also a good way to understand what is going on in the company in general.
Some talks we had would not have happened online, as every message for sure stays saved in some form
My company has been full remote since before the pandemic. It’s been fantastic. I hang out and chat with my coworkers all the time in Slack huddles. We have a remote-first culture and it’s far better than an office ever was.
If you’re getting depressed from working at home, tbh that sounds to me like you live to work rather than work to live. It’s important to have a rich life outside of work, especially when working remotely.
Not OP, but yes and no. I work as customer service/tech support. We get abused by customers harshly every day. Work from home, for me, was great at first, but the isolation combined with the daily abuse or other trauma (worked in telephone porting for a while, and old people who can’t keep their phone numbers or have to be with no phone service for a while get legit traumatized, and I felt I was causing it) caused me to become depressed, overeat, develop a heavy alcohol habit, and basically not move around much. I gained 100 pounds from 2019-2022. I am still struggling to lose it.
RTO for me was not a thing I wanted to do, but I needed to.
Also, I am thankfully no longer answering phone calls anymore, just taking chats. People are still assholes, but they cannot yell at you or use their voice to emotionally manipulate you.
I’m certainly sympathetic as I too have faced terrible abuse when working in customer service. TBH to me that says more about the job (which sounds pretty awful) than working from home. But perhaps that kind of job makes it more difficult since it sounds pretty “solo” to begin with, and I can see how WFH can at least exacerbate that, especially if your workplace isn’t set up for it. It’s probably a pretty isolating job no matter if you are WFH or not, though.
How do you know that someone on slack is not busy ATM and is available to chat?
How do you deal with pings from slack discussion in some channel when you can’t chat and have to focus on a meeting?
With WFH I’m additional at least 30 mins of commute from all places I’d just pick my stuff and go when working from the office.
And everyone is spread around the city making it hard to choose the venue we go to
How do you know that someone on slack is not busy ATM and is available to chat? How do you deal with pings from slack discussion in some channel when you can’t chat and have to focus on a meeting?
It can take a while to get people trained and into the habit of communicating with tools like Slack, and to develop a style that works for your office.
At a previous company we were 100% remote since about 2013. We had meetings to develop a set of practices around how to use remote tools to figure out what worked best for us. We encouraged people to use their status indicators to show when they were open for chats, set DND if they wanted quite time, maintain core hours (we were distributed world-wide, so core hours were zoned), encouraged people to use named channels rather than ad-hoc groups or DMs whenever possible, and always when discussing anything work related (absolutely no private chats about work projects, everything work-related went in a project channel).
We also were careful to adopt an ‘if anyone is remote, everyone is remote’ attitude. This means that if any team member is remote, then all team activities are conducted with remote access. For example, if the remote tools for a meeting are not working, then the meeting is rescheduled rather than being conducted without the remote people.
At my current job most of us are flex, sometimes in the office, sometimes not, and they’ve only supported WFH at all since covid lockdowns started. Previously they were 100% in-office. As a result their remote work habits are relatively primitive, with lots of ad-hoc group chats, private messages, and occasional meetings that don’t include the whole team (it doesn’t help that they use Teams, which is relatively shitty compared to Slack). I’ve pushed for a better remote-work culture, but it’s an uphill battle.
If you are running into communications issues with remote work it might be worth initiating a discussion about how you, as a collective, use the tools. Getting everybody on-board with a common set of practices that mostly works for everyone is important, especially if you have a lot of people who haven’t already spent a great deal of time using remote communication tools (a lot of us IT folks have spent a great deal of our lives using these tools and can overlook the unfamiliarity some others have with them and the usage habits that make them effective).
“Rich life outside of work” isn’t always possible. Most employers in the states don’t give you much PTO. On top of that, if you are a parent, you have no free time. Its just work work work 20 hours a day with 4 hours of sleep crammed in.
Sure, I guess the presumption is that you’re working someplace where you can have good work-life balance. If you don’t, then you’re probably gonna be pretty miserable no matter what, WFH or not.
I’m sorry, but just because you’re an extrovert who doesn’t seem to have a social structure outside of the office, doesn’t mean that the rest of us should have to suffer.
I’m afraid you missed my point of the last paragraph
I’m not saying “let’s all get back to the office”. I’m saying “let’s keep the offices too”
And I do have social structure outside of work. With WFH everyone is far away (offices are rather closer to the centre than the sleep districts) and have to commute before we can meet
I don’t understand your argument about commuting. So you have to commute to go visit people…and this is somehow new for you? Are all your best friends at the same company? Otherwise how does that make it any different to literally anyone else? If I want to see my friends I gotta get into a vehicle or transport my body in some way to see them and vice versa. You’re commuting either way.
When I work from the office I have already commuted in the morning. Wherever they want to meet I have straightforward, short commute and am dressed. Just get up and go. And when there is someone willing to go out of the house, there is smaller possibility that we’ll end up on discord where only one person can speak and there’s no way to have more than one topic in the group at the time
When I work from home everything becomes bleak. You have to get dressed, commute will take longer and have more changes and you start wondering if there’s a point in going out (in case of for example concerts or exhibitions instead of meeting with friends). Everything stops having a point somehow. I am no longer part of the city, I’m just another body inside four walls
I’m in the same boat as you, although as a Project Manager I do some managing on the side. I do not directly manage people, however.
I think WFH works for older people with established careers. Imagine being say a person with zero experience in a field trying to learn the ropes while sitting at home. All of our new hires this past year say they would not be able to succeed doing WFH.
I work in IT. In 2020 the callcenter I worked at went fully remote and I lost a shocking amount of social skills for someone who’s job it is to talk to people on the phone.
I then went back to college, snagged an internship an hour away and commuted a hundred miles a day for a year then after graduation snagged a cushy role that’s hybrid and I can say I love hybrid work. You get all of the benefits of being in office for collaboration and you get all of the benefits of WFH with the comfort, freedom and flexibility it provides (plus far less interruption than in the office)
With a half-hour commute, you're dropping at least $250/mo on gas (more if you use proper mileage calculations and include car insurance costs) and spending an additional 32 hours of your time in unpaid travel for work. If your hourly rate is $15/hr, that means another potential $380 in earnings a month out the door.
Since that $15/hr brings you in $2600 before taxes, that means in this scenario you're spending roughly 10% of your gross income on travel expenses, and losing out on a potential income increase of 14%.
This is why, despite the fact they were a great company I had thought about joining for years, last year I turned down an offer that was a 50% raise from my previously held position.
I got the same amount in an offer from a separate company that enabled work from home, and when I did the math, the value between the two was striking - it was the clear winner, despite the fact that the first company only wanted me to travel across town.
I don’t think this is even the full picture, though. The cost savings from working remotely for me have been largely unnoticed (but objectively there).
The real value, for me, has been increased autonomy and freedom from the office culture and overbearing bosses. It was amazing how my managers were suddenly ambivalent about my work performance once they weren’t able to constantly observe me at my desk.
Definitely - the personal benefits go far beyond the cost savings. Just pointing out that at the end of the day, what they're doing when they ask you to return to the office is asking you to take a very real pay cut and add unpaid hours to your daily schedule.
Also more of you count in car maintenance and potential babysitting for slightly older children who can be alone for a couple hours after school, but are too young to truly be alone.
I also feel like people just get back a lot of time to themselves by not having to commute. My husband gets another hour at least with me and our children every day, maybe an hour and a half. Instead of only seeing them for a quick dinner and getting them ready for bed, they actually have that time to hang out and play. It’s things like that, that are invaluable.
The only way they win this battle is if they cover travel expenses per mile. I’m supposed to spend money to keep your stupid shitbird company afloat? Yeah, get fucked.
Traveling has become rather cost-effective. It’s alright if it gets covered but what really should get covered is the time it takes to travel. I live relatively close to work, but if I went to office that’s an extra 1-2 hours a day I spend specifically for work purposes. The cost of time, at least for me, is significantly higher than the actual cost of travel.
It seems like some people are finally starting to wise up to the fact that work begins not when you arrive at the workplace, but the moment you stop doing what you want to do and start doing what you have to do in order to perform the job. That means it starts before you walk out the door, as soon as you start ‘getting ready for work’.
The simplest metric is this: would you be doing it if you were on vacation/weren’t working? If yes, then it’s not work. If no, then it’s work.
My company is 8 to 5 and on the days I go in office i just spend so much more time doing the unpaid mandatory things that it’s just not worth it even for much more pay. Not to mention it’s far more exhausting and worse for my mental health to be in an open office surveillance ward rather than a home office
Just an example number for the math. And actually my company has a bunch of customer service reps that work from home at that rate when they start. It's more common than you may think.
Steve in support would like you to know that he wishes to make 15 an hour after a few promotions. And that if you just think about it, getting 50 bucks worth of more services is smarter than cancelling your account.
It would actually be very nice. After a short while people would start to ask for both because the infrastructure is in place for that. At some point they need to give in and we win.
I’d be ok with that. From home I’m probably only actually working 3.5 out of 5 days anyway, and I think it would be good to get companies comfortable with 4 day workweeks.
Then there’s my employer, who is giving us WFH for the foreseeable future. They might even sell our office building and move our datacenter.
We do a monthly small-team in person, and the occasional all-staff in-person, but otherwise it’s just “come in if you want, or don’t, lol.” Like, I technically have a desk. It’s just got a couple monitors on it collecting dust, though. I’m only really ever there (aside from the infrequent in-persons) when my rabbit has to go to the vet, which is closer to the office.
We actually showed more productivity after moving to WFH, so they said ‘let’s just keep it.’ So my only restriction is living in the state, since it’s a publically-funded org.
only restriction is living in the state, since it’s a publically-funded org
The job I fled to as soon as the fuckwits at the old place revealed they’re too dumb to manage remote people whose butts they can’t count visually each day (and that’s not a creepy fixation) is publicly funded.
Soon as COVID hit, they went from ‘Office Space’ to ‘gtfo without paperwork to come onsite’. And they stayed that way. WFO-first is now in the union contract. They sold the desks and ditched the lease. 100% WFH except 2 hotel spots and one rotating freight-receiver post. A Sears kiosk has a bigger footprint.
It used to be “stay in this region,” but that’s changed: new hires coming online are from across the country. No barrier as long as it’s still within fed borders.
I need to move out East so I can take a ferry to France or cross the land border to Denmark; but also for the crazy cheap housing and beautiful scenery.
Anyway, public funding doesn’t preclude a Detroit mansion.
Public funding can definitely come with strings though and location can be one of the strings.
Also, the more locations you have folks, the more you have to deal with taxes in other states. They might just not have the funding to do that additional work.
Oh it’s been very damaging and a major reason for high staff turnover. Since COVID I have worked in transactional finance roles where the staff turnover rate has been has high as 95% - meaning that for every 20 hires, only one would stay with the company beyond twelve months.
A trend I noticed is that companies which refuse to embrace remote working will greatly struggle to hire staff.
It’s more baffling how a lot of companies respond to these issues not by raising wages to market levels or improving working conditions/workloads, but by buying the team pizzas every month or two, pushing tighter RTO mandates and adding lengthier notice periods into new contracts.
COVID-19 had one saving grace and that was proving that many roles could be performed remotely. The pandemic has made remote working an expectation of today’s workforce that corporations have either embraced or fought long and hard to reverse. It’s the companies that embrace remote work which are going to thrive.
Who knows, that may be a good thing in the long run. We don’t need ludicrously expensive luxury office space, which my city is full of. But you know what my city desperately needs? Homes. Bristol has the second-highest property prices in all of the UK behind London. Our rents are quickly approaching London levels because all the Londoners are fleeing the capital to clog up our housing market.
I can’t even imagine accepting an employment offer that requires a notice period; it’d be a pretty good indicator that the employer’s attrition rates are high.
In Germany 3 months are standard, from both sides. It is a good thing, because they cannot just put you on the street by tomorrow, but have to pay for another three months. This goes vice versa. Is that any different in the states?
Can’t speak for the whole country but my employment is at-will, meaning it can be terminated by either side at any moment with no notice.
It is considered polite and relatively standard to give two weeks’ notice prior to leaving your job, but there’s no requirement in any of the jobs I’ve had.
Of course, employers don’t have that same “polite standard” of two weeks, it’s not unheard of for people to be fired on the spot. Though it’s definitely unusual. For broader layoffs, it’s pretty common to get several weeks of notice and pay.
In the united states, it is customary for a leaving employee to give 2 weeks notice, but a firing employer does not usually give any notice at all. They do just put you out on the street tomorrow.
I’m in Canada, and typically an employee will give two weeks as a minimum, more in some circumstances. Employer’s requirements vary by province, and may require notice or severance pay.
California has the warn act which is supposed to mandate an employer to either provide notice or give 90 days compensation. It’s not always followed and not always applicable, but it’s similar to what you’re talking about.
In our case it’s slightly better for the employee though, because nobody can force you to continue working here. It’s customary to give two weeks though, and that’s generally followed so that you can use previous employers as a reference.
Yeah, I think those go hand in hand. The kind of leadership that would push RTO is the kind that frequently would also do other bad things (or let their managers).
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