People protesting and then certain groups “joining” them and burning cars and breaking windows requires a police presence.
Stop burning shit.
And yeah it won’t stop the protest from happening just because the French authorities banned the protest. Probably a few people will get arrested though.
Yes I have and that was basically the point of my comment.
It isn’t the protestors burning shit it’s other bad actors. But whether it’s the protestors burning stuff or the other bad actors is really irrelevant. Either way stuff is getting damaged so there needs to be a police presence.
It’s such a common maneuver when you want to undermine a person or a movement’s legitimacy that we even gave it a name.
In the United States MLK talked about this in so many words. He described perfectly how many people will say that they agree with your goals but not with your methods. And if you were to ask what their methods are, it would involve waiting. The problem with that is that waiting doesn’t fix anything.
Oh, that’s an easy one. You framed the problem wrong. When you decided to talk about the problem in terms of the protests, you decided that the actual problem was not important. So that was basically irresponsible.
And the outcome of your framing decision is anti-democratic. If the only thing we look at is the protest, then it’s easy for people to say and believe that a fringe element of looters or rioters is unavoidable, and therefore either the police should have more power to deal with protesters or protests themselves ought to be canceled.
It’s certainly possible to discuss protests and avoid the above pitfalls, but it definitely requires careful consideration.
It is entirely possible to talk about who is burning shit and care about the protests and care about the protestors and care about the businesses that are being destroyed. Just because I didn’t mention every single one of those things in a comment doesn’t mean I don’t care about them.
Please do try to mention them anyway, because not doing so comes across as callousness, regardless of how you actually feel about it.
Your argument is a valid viewpoint - you want positive change for the people protesting, but you want it without any of the wanton violence or burning that goes along with rioting; correct?
However, it is also true that you were: (1) placing the onus of non-violence on the people who were wronged, and protesting here. (2) assuming there was some way for the people protesting, to seperate themselves from the bad actors who engage in these riots with the sole purpose of destroying and looting shit. (3) assuming that there are other easily available methods were the masses could change the system they’re in without any of the rioting. (4) assuming that the powers that be (legislative bodies/lawmakers/policy builders) willingly engage in these methods in good faith, for which history already has plenty of counter-examples.
Lmao this is such a clown show. As a infosec professional I would have been fired so long ago in the private sector for allowing stupidity to get this far with regards to critical data leakage. As another user pointed out, we have had the technology for decades to prevent this kind of thing, but apparently the geriatrics at the DOD haven’t figured it out yet. Bunch of clowns with their CEH looking at each other for instruction.
It’s another microblogging site backed by Jack Dorsey (former Twitter CEO) and other venture capital. They made a lot of claims and now they are failing to follow-up. I think they are still invite-only so that’s likely why you haven’t heard about it.
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Have you ever had a friend or relative who was just in such poor health, who you basically expected to keel over and die any day now? If so, you probably know what I mean when you eventually just accept that the person you once knew is already dead, and all that's left is a husk that's just riding out the last bit of momentum they've got until they fade away. And then when they finally do die, it doesn't even hurt, because you've already had time to grieve and process your emotions in advance.
That's kinda how I feel about the earth these days. I feel like the earth is on hospice care, and at that point that we're just making it as comfortable as we can for it to die.
Maybe that's a little melodramatic. But it really does just feel hopeless these days.
Yeah I feel like this is just like when the body gets a fever to get rid of a sickness. The earth is just getting a little fever to get rid of our dumbasses real quick. Then it will go right back to normal and be completely fine.
If it's any consolation. Earth, as in the spinning ball of dirt, will be just fine for many more millions of years. Humans, and other animal species, on the other hand are not going to be fine if the trend continuous.
Dunno, I find it kind of consoling in a meloncolic kind of way.
I feel you. I don't think it's hopeless, but I do think we're in for a rough ride. That being said, I actually have a lot of faith in the upcoming generation. I think that if they get angry enough, they have the potential to arrest what's happening and even turn it around given how well they work together. Greta gets a lot of hate, but hell, I haven't seen someone make as successful a series of environmental stands since Julia Butterfly. If her generation keeps showing that fire, I think there's still hope for humans to live in harmony with the earth.
As much as I also have hope in the next generation, there isn’t a damn thing we can do anymore. If every single human being disappeared right now, the earth would continue warming and experiencing climate change for 100s more years, because of the feedback loops we have set in motion and the fact that the ocean is still dampening some effects, but won’t be able to for long. Our only hope to avert complete disaster, collapse of society and maybe even the extinction of humanity is if we find a way to start pulling massive amounts of CO2 out of the atmosphere ASAP. Carbon neutrality isn’t enough, we need to be carbon negative. If zoomers can get that done, in time, then they’re a whole other fucking class of human. I hope they do, but I think the odds are against them and all of us.
That was a rough read. It’s so hard not to project these smaller-scale issues onto our larger political climate. I wonder how this whole situation would have shaken out if it had just been two businesses and noise/odor complaints, without hate and political tension to fuel things.
It’s hard to know from a single article, but it sure seems like the tensions here are motivated by a serious (and unfounded) persecution complex on the part of the Washers. Either that or some very poorly-masked bigotry. It’s hard not to view them as the aggressors in this situation, and my heart goes out to the Front Porch folks (and the whole town).
I wish we could walk back the increasing tensions in our country. It’s hard to keep perspective.
It’s a core tenet of conservatism. Conservatives inherently believe they are being attacked and victimized by society not holding to all of their personal beliefs. It’s a super easy fit for evangelicals to slide in there and claim persecution.
I used to live out that way and the restaurant has been a cornerstone of the small Plains community for decades, the neighbors absolutely knew what they were getting into when they moved nextdoor. Nothing about the neighbors cause comes off sympathetic.
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