Can someone explain to me why the average republican/right wing/religious nut are all against climate shit? Aside from being the dumbest people on the planet I’m lost finding another reason
They’re brainwashed zealots and Republicans in office are preaching that it doesn’t exist because they’re paid by corporations that would be hurt by green energy.
They’re just against anything liberals are for at this point. If liberals like it, it must be bad! Just wait until the Republicans take away their Medicare and social security. But wait, the Republicans will blame the Dems for it and the hate continues. This country is pretty much fubar for decades.
While that’s true I think it’s about why it has been made a political issue. If you can make out that it’s just a left v right opinion, it steers the conversation away from the damage that is being done and those that are benefiting from it. It’s great misdirection, because it means that the common person is doing the arguing on behalf of the corporations doing the polluting.
The oil lobby has paid copious amounts of money to propagandize the population, and to bribe republican politicians to continue their policy of laissez-faire.
TBH I feel this is the main reason - a lot of “protests” in Germany (where I live) which consist of a small group of people that glue themselves to streets and runways; there is so much reporting on these, it feels very pushed.
Not to get overly philosophical or anything, but who you are as a person and what your ideas are come down to your experiences. For me, I spend time fixing/causing programming problems at work, talking with people, doomscrolling lemmy/mastodon, playing video games and watching shows.
For a portion of the population, they are sitting and watching fox news for hours upon hours a day. Even if you are resistant to a view point, your brain is not capable of 100% rejecting a message that is being sledgehammered in to you over and over again. If Fox news or other shit media is your experience, it would be hard to think of the world in a way that doesn’t conform to what they tell you. It will be incremental at first, you’ll reject 95% of a message that doesn’t conform to your previous ideas, but maybe concerned face newscaster has a point about the border. “We can’t let everyone in” you might reason. All to make your more malleable to the next crock of shit they serve up.
The more I think about it the grosser it is. Just a mass of blond ladies telling you minorities and people who care about the environment are out to change your way of life. You way of life - which is sitting on a couch watching blond ladies spouting lies to you. I’m sure there’s some sick mental illness issues floating around here.
I used to work at a bank that had fox news on all day and it was horrible, but I’m positive some of my viewpoints from then were shaped by that experience, despite me knowing it was a shit entertainment channel.
Also, the truth has progressed much further than what many are willing to swallow at once. Not only is our way of life currently potentially leading to an extinction level destabilization of the climate and life cycles that we depend on (which also implies we’re not as important as some religions would lead us to believe), but the Euro-American way of life has been fucking things up for centuries or even millennia in the past. The only way to avoid accepting that our past is full of normalized evil is to bury your head in the sand and say everything is fine.
And add in some racism where they want to blame entire groups for actions of individuals and that line of reasoning says that you must also be to blame for the actions of your ancestors.
And then there’s the human tendency to double down when challenged, which makes it even harder to later change your position, because that doubling down can involve saying or doing things that does directly implicate you in some of that evilness. Or making ridiculous claims to “express certainty” like “if x is true, I’ll do y” where y is something no one would want to do or would even expect someone to do as part of a debate. When you behave like an idiot, changing your mind requires you to accept how much of an idiot you behaved like.
And there’s also group momentum. When the group sees dissenters as deserving hate and violence, it makes it harder to change the group’s direction. Especially if there’s members that don’t really care about the philosophy but are just looking for a “good excuse” to be violent or hateful. It’s not rare to see people treat former allies even worse when they turn compared to those who were never on their side. “Traitor” is one of those labels that can entice a negative reaction like “murderer” or “rapist”, even though it boils down to “person who changed their mind about something they once supported with others”.
So we might, collectively, have too much baggage to stop this train headed for the cliff before we can tell if the track curves to follow the cliff or just goes straight off. And if we do go off that cliff, don’t doubt that, on the way down, those fucking idiots will be loudly complaining that there was no way they could have known and that we should have told them.
True religious nuts (in other words, 10-15% of the population) believe that nothing at all matters because Special Jesus is coming back any day now. So, the more fucked up things get, not only does it not matter since it’s “THE END TIMES!!”, but also things being worse just proves Jesus is coming back soon.
Your average angry conservative is pissed off about it for a couple reasons. One, “think tanks”, Fox, Limbaugh and other propaganda organizations have been paid by the fossil fuel industry to spread disinformation about it and explicitly tell them it’s a “hoax” for decades. Then, being “conservative” literally means resisting change, so replacing a gas-guzzling truck that smells like complete shit and emits tons of pollution is upsetting to them just because it’s different. Also, many conservatives are super sensitive and get very upset if someone says they should do something different because they feel like they’re being chastised or “someone thinks they’re better than me”. Same reason they hate stuff like being vegan or eating gluten free.
I’ve been saying this a lot lately, but we really, really shouldn’t be listening to a death cult whose goal is to die so they can be happy.
In all seriousness, they just get mad when people enjoy things they don’t understand. They feel out of the loop and the butt of the joke or deep down know they are missing out and their life choices are stupid, and being severely insecure as it is, this really bothers them even more
It’s scary how many people who have those beliefs are in positions of power - thinking things like they have to do this or that with Israel to hasten the “Second Coming” and the end of the world.
If the Democrats express support for a concept, Republicans MUST be against it. Their entire identity is based around taking the most extreme version of the polar opposite thing the Democrats express.
Some ultra conservative nut posted on Nextdoor, a hyper local Facebook if you never heard of it, about some crazy claims some state ballot initiative will bring
Crazy shit, like parents will have their kids taken to perfo gender reassignment against their will. The vote is about our state constitution % needed to change, but facts never got in the way of conservative dreams
Someone replied “you would vote to put all conservatives in jail if a single liberal were against it” and yeah, I bet she would
Imagine being a kid under constant surveillance. Boomers really are all helicopter parents if they vote shit like this through. That will fuck up their kids and grandkids big time.
Bloomers are currently aged 57-75. It’s Gen X (46-56yrs old) and Millenials (25-40yrs old) that currently have most of the kids in school. Agree with the rest of your comment though.
As a millennial with a child, I’m so glad my parents didn’t have half the shit available to them that my generation has. Even in a lot of daycares the parents can watch the CCTV live of their child. Literally just sit there at work and watch their child.
And that’s before you get into tracking when kids get phones.
Why would they not tell their parents? Genuine question from someone out of the loop. If my kid was questioning I would prefer I know, right? The school has the kid for the majority of their time awake during the school year. This makes sense to me.
I've been arguing exactly this with someone else somewhere in this thread. There are children who would be abused/kicked out of their home over this sort of thing.
I'd happy waiting until my child is ready to tell me to learn of certain aspects about them if it means protecting another from harm of this sort.
The problem I feel is the very parents demanding to know this information are the exact parents you wouldn't want knowing this information for their child's sake.
Because bigots have literally tortured their kids over being queer forever. Kids who don’t feel safe coming out at home usually have a good reason from fear of abuse to becoming homeless.
I gave up teaching two years after moving to the UK, it's an absolute mess.
I can only imagine needing to fill out the "inform the parent" form and then immediately needing to fill out a safeguarding form (something you fill out any time you note anything like bruises, comments, out of sort actions, etc.). It's absolutely tragic.
Exactly. Puts you in a position where not only are you legally required to potentially put a child in direct line of fire by ousting them, you then can't then do jack about it until the situation turns visibly abusive.
I've been arguing it out with someone that safeguarding absolutely includes (or should've included) the right of teachers (or more so the school) to not disclose information that could potentially lead to abuse.
Teachers are usually the first non-parental authority figures kids will go to with these types of questions, and now they're being cut off from that safe space.
Strict surveillance doesn't raise more honest people, it raises better liars.
This quote from Pence is so unbelievably infuriating.
Joe Biden’s massive trillion-dollar student loan bailout subsidizes the education of elites on the backs of hardworking Americans
Good to know all of the millennial and gen z college graduates earning less than $125,000 per year and struggling in an awful economy are “elites” and not “hardworking Americans.”
Since I’m now apparently an elite, do I get a membership card in the mail?
Although the language is very imprecise, a university graduate will make $720,000 more over a 20 year period than a non-university graduate, spend four years out of the labour force not paying taxes and then will also have a higher life expectancy drawing from the public pension longer.
Tell me why it’s reasonable for people who didn’t go to university to help foot the bill for people who did?
This is the exact type of resentment members of the GOP are trying to sow among marginally different income brackets to promote infighting rather than pointing the finger at the actual “elite” class. You shouldn’t have to be saddled with massive amounts of debt to simply get an education. Adjusted for inflation, college tuition has increased nearly 750% since 1963. Source.
Why not tax the rich to pay for programs to support the lower and middle classes? Or subsidize education?
a university graduate will make $720,000 more over a 20 year period than a non-university graduate
That $720,000 difference over 20 years is less than a one-year salary for thousands of CEOs. Based on this list, there are 2,721 CEOs who earned more than $720,000 in 2021 (you have to scroll all the way down to page 137 to find a CEO earning less than $720,000).
It’s a drop in the bucket.
spend four years out of the labour force not paying taxes and then will also have a higher life expectancy drawing from the public pension longer.
If university grads earn more, wouldn’t their higher tax contributions quickly make up for the four non-tax-paying years compared to someone earning less without a degree? Not to mention it isn’t uncommon for students to also work while in college.
Regarding life expectancy, this is the same blame-game criticism. What impact would affordable healthcare have on life expectancy? Or a higher minimum wage?
Tell me why it’s reasonable for people who didn’t go to university to help foot the bill for people who did?
You could make the same argument for any type of program that distributes tax dollars to others. “Why should my hard-earned money go to someone sitting at home on welfare?”
The federal government clearly has no problem throwing obscene amounts of money at corporations, whether they need it or not, so why not divert some of that aid to the people?
When I took out my student loans, I knew what I was signing up for, and I never expected — or wanted – the government to step in and waive them. After seeing the massive amounts of money the government handed out in the form of PPP funds, including potentially $200 billion fraudulently (source), my view changed. If billionaires were getting PPP loans for millions of dollars, why shouldn’t a bunch of college graduates get $20,000 each?
It’s obviously not an actual either-or question, but ultimately, if the government is bailing out billionaires, banks, etc., then yeah, fuck it, help your middle class college graduates.
Swear this happens every year. Someone either gets gored by a bison or tries to go swimming in a geothermal pool and gets boiled alive and then dissolved.
Some people just do not grasp the concept of National Parks. They’re not zoos or amusement parks. The things in here can and will kill you and there is almost nothing in the way stopping you from committing suicide in a horribly painful fashion.
Tom Scott was discussing this in his latest video on Bear Proof garbage containers. they’re designed to keep bears out, but some clueless people can’t open them either.
It’s the great divider. The smartest bears get to eat the garbage and the dumber bears get to eat the dumb people who can’t figure out how to throw their garbage away and keep it in their tent instead.
They’re literally just dumpsters with a little airlock chamber on top so that trash stink can’t escape and attract animals. If you’ve mailed a package at the post office and had to use one of those weird chutes, you can figure out a bear can.
Possible Baader–Meinhof phenomenon. The real fun one is if this is your first time hearing of the phenomenon and you see it again in the next couple days.
This does happen fairly often at Yellowstone, so it’s not widely reported when it does. It actually happened very close to me when I was there last year because a bison was laying very near a popular walkway near old faithful, but people still didn’t stop walking by it 🙃
I visited Yellowstone last year. The National Parks Service has an excellent walkway system which allows visitors to get an close-up view of the hot springs. All along the walkways are signs that say something along the lines of: “Step off this walkway and you will be boiled alive.”
The sheer number of people visiting these areas on an average day, and the quality of workmanship put into the park walkways projects a false sense of security. A few times I had to remind myself that I was standing above something that could kill me. Imagine being in a crowd of people seeing and experiencing something beautiful. Nobody there is unhappy, everyone is strolling along taking pictures and enjoying spectacular views of the hot springs. But in reality, it is a bunch of people standing on heat-resistant walkways above boiling lakes of death.
These warning signs are placed every few feet, but I can completely understand how idiots and children would ignore them and get themselves killed. Some walkways have railings, others don’t. Yellowstone is one of the most beautiful places on earth. The possibility of getting killed is not something actively going through your mind while you experience it.
Also, people taking photos of bison are incredibly cavalier about distance and safety. It makes sense that attacks and deaths are common enough not to make headlines.
Agreed, as terrible a thing as it is to happen to a parent it needs to be punished when this occurs. Someone was obviously negligent with a gun around a child. If it was put away properly this wouldn’t have happened.
There are several reasons go own a gun in the US. Should we have as many as we do? Absolutely not. But we have a lot of wild and dangerous animals and you don’t have to get far from a city center to encounter them. We also have several invasive species we keep down via strategic hunting. Feral pigs being one of them. They’re very dangerous and near impossible to get rid of once they’re there.
The US could definitely do with at least having the Canadian system where guns are highly tracked by the government (and they should be), but until i don’t see coyotes and random bullshit like that wandering around my suburban area, I still guy why you’d want one. I say this as someone who had never owned a gun, nor wants to own one for various reasons.
Other nations have guns and yet no one ever talks about it. Canada and Australia both allow it. I have never stated that I don’t think it should be regulated, but the very real fact is that without the assistance of hunters the US would have a real ass problem feeding itself. Wild hogs are a real threat to our food supply to the point where some farmers stake out areas with automatic machine guns to mow them down. Feral hogs are such a problem and that many states don’t have any kind of limitation on killing them at all.
You’re coming at this from the POV of someone who has never had to consider being murdered by wild life in your backyard that absolutely our government is not going to completely get rid of nor can you kill them willy nilly either. You’re thinking about this like someone where 100 miles is a very long way and not the distance one travels to get to work.
Fuck, I legitimately know people who subsistence farm. They hunt actually for food. Because they live in the middle of fucking nowhere and getting food is too expensive. I’ve visited areas of my state with cloth stores, not clothing stores. That’s the kind of low income area we’re talking about.
There are reasons to own a gun. There are legitimate ways to regulate guns that the US is not doing. That’s why our neighbor with had a high amount of guns (although not the absurd amount t we have) doesn’t have the same kind fo gun death rates.
I live in Australia where feral animals are absolutely rampant, and one of the biggest problems facing our ecosystem. We have lots of guns but almost no gun violence especially compared to the US. I could have used better wording but i agree with owning a gun if it’s absolutely necessary, and defending yourself against robbers isn’t one. But I agree the issue is systemic and that a lot of things in the US need to change both legally and culturally in order for guns to be banned which will probably never happen. But the fact is that the culture surrounding guns and the sheer amount of them you have in your country and more specifically the cities, not to mention the violence, is repulsive to almost every other country in the world. All our guns are more or less restrained to the outback and farms or rural areas where hunters actually live, and most people don’t own more than a few, and especially don’t make a hobby out of it. Because we see them as a tool a lot more than Americans do, on average. I can’t speak for everyone obviously but that’s the way I see it and statistics back it up.
Your name is different than the person I replied to and I don’t know why you’re here. I’ve never made the point that I think the US doesn’t have a gun problem. We have a problem with regulations that is difficult to resolve because the national government can’t set standards, state governments have different standards, but the doesn’t fucking matter when states legally must acknowledge each other’s licenses, so many people drive to the shittty states and come back.bor they just live in shitty states. Or many issues around the nature of the federal system.
I don’t even know why you’re here talking to me being all high and mighty when you’re totally okay with guns in your own nation for non-critcal reasons as well. You only have a hardline stance about guns existing in the US apparently. You’re shitting on us not for not having good enough regulation of guns which is totally valid, but also for apparently not being better than your own country, which again will allow you to have guns even if it’s not absolutely critical. You don’t have to make the case that you absolutely need a gun in Australia. You can just be like “I just shooting at ranges lol” and they will absolutely give you a license if you under go all the training.
This is the BS I hate. Yes the US has a problem, mostly owing to the nature of thr US being 50 countries in a trench coat in many cases. But people acting like guns are absolutely abhorrent and their country wouldn’t allow them for frivolous reasons like collecting 200 of them (this is totally legal in Australia too BTW) makes me so mad. Be at mad are your own fucking country before getting indignant about a country you don’t even live for not accomplishing things your own nation hasn’t.
I’m allowed to reply to whatever comment I want, and you started by replying to one of my comments in the first place. And don’t act like it’s exactly the same, because the difference is we don’t have more mass shootings per week than there are days, and guns are significantly more difficult to obtain here than over there. And don’t act like it’s a state issue when it’s a collective mindset of the country and that’s the reason they haven’t been properly regulated at a federal level yet. The US is completely backward in this regard and the amount of feral pigs you have there is no excuse for the amount of guns.
As a hunter I own quite a few, but guess what? They are all fucking locked up in a safe and I don’t have any children, just my wife and I. How anyone could have children and think it’s ok to leave a firearm around is asinine.
As an Italian surrounded by guns who has them and hates them but might need to ruin my life by defending myself against a crazed neighbor… They’re abhorrent. There’s no good that comes from a gun.
3 year olds can’t even reliably communicate that they have to go to the bathroom. They routinely injure themselves and others sometimes through idle curiosity, sometimes via being bad at using their body or understanding consequences. 3 year olds often just do the opposite of what you say for no other reason than developmentally that’s the period they defy you.
Have you met a 3 year old? Interacting with them for a long period of time and then tried to get to stop doing something novelly dangerous without them doing that thing at least once? Because it’s basically impossible to teach toddlers anything but in retrospect. Adults only follow instructions because they have enough experience to trust the system. A 3 year old has no such trust.
Another person who hasn’t ever had a real life 3 year old and doesn’t know why “three-nager” is a thing or even what developmental milestones are for 3 year olds. 3 year olds aren’t even expected to follow multistage instructions. Like it’s not a thing any doctor would be worried about if your kid couldn’t at 3. That’s how uncommon it is for a 3 year old to follow instructions.
Unless there’s extenuating circumstances, you’ve failed if your 3 year old can’t reliably communicate the need to go to the bathroom. I’m not saying they get things perfect, but the vast majority of 3 year olds can tell you when they need to go to the bathroom.
Either way, the analogy is weak because because a 3yo killing someone with a toilet has a reliably low probability. Even on accident.
But children are prone to accidents all the time. And all it takes is one accident or lapse of judgement for a child to gun down their sibling/friend- even if they’re educated on firearm safety. The fact that this regularly appears on the news should be a wakeup call. It never is.
I like how you completely failed to address the actually developmental milestones of 3 year olds. I know you don’t know shit about 3 year olds because you’re confidently incorrect about how very often a 3 year old will fail to give you warning about needing to go to the bathroom. I guess you think changes of clothing that are required for school until kindergarten are just in case they get dirty.
If the owners didn’t know that keeping unlocked, loaded, and (I’m willing to bet) chambered firearms in a household with kids was dangerous then the only way they’ll learn is in jail.
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