Don’t be a moron. He’s out on bail for the same reason police get it, if you put and judge or cop in prison they get murdered. If they aren’t guilty that’s a huge fucking risk, it’s the same for pretty much anyome but not everyone plays for the same team.
Since it seems like you’re new to the internet then, you shouldn’t put information that makes you easily identifiable right there in your username.
Also, the number 88 is used as a dog whistle by neo-nazis, so that other neo-nazis on social media know who to support without the trauma and physical pain of thinking for themselves.
But now we’ve sorted the 88 part out, what about the ‘Atticus’ bit? It’s such an uncommon name. In fact, the only ‘Atticus’ I can think of it fictional former rights activist turned pro-segregation racist Atticus Finch.
Cool, but you know who isn’t getting a free lunch now? Those millionaires who worked so hard for that money. What have those kids done to earn theirs?
/s, to be clear. I wish these cool places to live (e.g, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Michigan) weren’t so fucking cold. Why can’t there be a nice liberal southern state?
Uhh, the cold isn’t the problem. It’s too expensive to live here and the real fix for housing (forced upzoning by the State) is a political nonstarter.
But I will gladly shovel snow versus face the heat, humidiity, snakes, bears, tornadoes, severe hurricanes, drought, wild fires, car oriented development, and whatever other nightmares the rest of the country has to offer. Just get a good coat, LL Bean boots, and a snowblower. It’s not that bad.
"First things first, I just want to say the fact that the murderer had 47 guns and 26,000 rounds of ammunition sheds no light on his personality or the crime."
If he regularly shot pictures of women or something sure but owning a lot of guns or buying ammo in bulk isn't really any indication of domestic violence. The son even said there wasn't a history of violence. It seems like the heavy drinking or arguments have more correlation than anything.
Media outlets often cite things like how many guns someone has to freak out people who don't know about guns. All the dude needed to fuck up was a single handgun and a single bullet. If he was drunk he shouldn't have even been carrying. And being drunk isn't really a good argument for why someone got violent.
That is a different statement. It's saying abusers can be more dangerous with a weapon. It does not follow that people who own a weapon are somehow more likely to be an abuser.
To make that argument it would need to say something about what percentage of gun owners commit abuse or some kind violent crime.
You can find higher rates of domestic violence among cops for instance so maybe you could argue cops are more likely to be abusers.
My original statement was that owning a lot of guns wasn't suggestive of anything. The comment suggested there was a "correlation" with owning guns and domestic violence in response.
Correlation isn’t causation. Example, we all have drunk water. Everyone dies at some point. I found correlation that drinking water causes death 100% of the time.
The number of guns isn’t the issue, it’s what he’s choosing to do with them. There are legitimate reasons to own them that are not malicious. Gun collection for example. There are some wacky designs out there. Look up the forgotten weapons YouTube channel for examples.
Violence was a thing before guns existed. If I got stabbed I'm not going to think, "Thank goodness I wasn't shot." I suppose I'll have plenty of to think about it while waiting for the cops to show up though.
Cherry picking and a lack of controling for confounding variables is an issue when people try to make the claim you did. There is also a lot more going on than just gun laws. When normal people don't benefit from our GDP it really isn't a good benchmark for comparable countries. When people have a lack opportunities or lack social programs there will probably be some social problems.
If I had time enough to ponder my injuries after being stabbed, the thought “at least I wasn’t shot” would absolutely cross my mind. But maybe that’s just an American thing
Nobody is claiming the guns invented violence, they’re pointing out how guns turn emotions into murders faster, and with more lethality, that any other form of violence.
Then of course there’s the usual “I will only consider the idea of not selling guns to deeply and blatantly damaged people after you cure every single person in America of every currently incurable mental health issue and build a perfect utopia of equality and free hugs”.
But I’ve got an even better idea: we could just ignore what the gun lobby and pro-gun crowd wants and address things now, without their rubber stamp of approval.
Yeah because having so many guns you literally have a gun on your ankle while also being a belligerent drunk doesn’t prime you more for murder the next time you “lose it”.
Guns make murder literally child’s play. If he wasn’t such an ammo sexual he may have slapped his wife and gotten beaten up by his son and landed in the drunk tank, but because a gun was easier and more available his first round of reported domestic violence was lethal.
IIRC California requires background checks every 6 months to order ammo, and it can only be shipped to licensed ammo dealers, which charge a fee, and then picked up in person. It makes sense for California gun owners to buy bullets in bulk quantities.
Bud get it in your brain: you will not solve the sort of problem that might require 26,000 rounds, as you are not a regimented militia or national guard. If we get invaded by ground troops from Canada or something, and we actually needed to call up militias, the government already has the guns and ammo stockpiled and will drop them off at your door, probably after seizing Amazon under the Defense Production Act.
Again, the problem you think you’re solving with 26,000 rounds isn’t legitimate. You’ve imagined it. You’re not Rick Grimes, you’re “unamed screaming guy 7.”
Well, I wasn’t talking about myself. I do have a moderate quantity of ammo but its a “better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it” philosophy for me.
Also I have some surplus stuff that was super cheap at the time and unobtainable today.
I certainly don’t like the idea of waiting for someone to drop off tools to defend myself as you suggested.
If you are a hobbyist shooter then it is common to buy ammo in bulk. And if you’ve never done competitive shooting or even just going to the range once a month, you may not realize how fast the ammo is used up.
The 10th Amendment grants all police powers to the states unless enumerated otherwise in the Constitution (such as is the case with interstate commerce). And states may not enact laws that supercede federal laws per the Supremacy Clause. This is important when applied to arms as they are protected by the 2A in the Constitution, which is the highest law in the land.
As for general welfare, that’s targeted at federal spending. A common place where it applies is that it empowers the federal government to grant crop subsidies to farmers.
That’s why when someone commits a crime like murder it’s under state jurisdiction. Unless that particular case occurred on federal land or involved cross state travel, then that would become a federal case.
26,000 is a lot, but with no other context it’s not an indicator of “crazy”.
As others have said: ammo is cheaper in bulk. It doesn’t “go bad” if stored properly, and you need different rounds for different guns. And for a while it was hard to find – you stocked up when you found it because you didn’t know when it was going to be available again.
1000 shells of 12 ga – that’s two cases, I have to drive a long way to find them, and I shoot trap every other week. 20ish shells, 12 ga slugs – left over from hunting I have 1050 rounds of 9mm, because I bought 3 cheap boxes of Blazer Brass on sale and that’s what I shoot at the range. 800ish of 7.62x54r – 2 spam cans, for the same reason. Probably 1500ish rounds of .22lr – 3 boxes of 500 rounds… same reason.
I’m not a nut, but if the cops raided my house the headline would be “found with over 4000 rounds of ammunition!!!”
Ammunition prices fluctuate drastically with global and national events. In 2021 when COVID hit 9mm cost roughly 70 cents a round. Today it’s around 19 cents a round. There’s a buy cheap stack deep philosophy practiced when buying ammo.
A competition shooter or someone attending a class can easily shoot 1,000 rounds over a weekend. Buying in large volume when prices are low means that weekend costs $190 not $700.
Get a new hobby? One that doesn’t threaten everyone around you, maybe? Maybe one that’s just overall cheaper.
I have zero problem with hunting, target shooting, collecting. One poster here says they have 4,000 rounds; shoots trap every weekend, buys them on sale. Fine.
This dude had 26,000. That is a compulsion. He thought amassing ammo would solve something for him. Would provide him something he lacked. Probably something subconscious. Some deep-seated fear.
As to the rest of us, it solves nothing legitimate, certainly nothing the Second Amendment was directed toward.
What harm can practically be done by one man with 26,000 that couldn’t be done with 4,000 or half that? If we stick with the 9mm metrics 4,000 rounds would weigh just past 100lb (45 kilos) @ 115g rds. 26,000 rounds of it would be 3-4x the weight of the average man at about 650lbs (294 kilos).
That volume only benefits consistent use over weeks/months/years, something fortunately not found in the cases where people abuse firearms to harm others.
There are multiple articles on this situation. This particular article was written because of the somewhat unique weapons cache. Other articles will be written about mental health, without a doubt
It’s almost like they want to continue to demonize normal gun owners (yes there are dozens of us left leaning gun owners). I’m kind of fucking sick of it but the rich folks that want us disarmed have enough to keep funding the meessages.
You’re not normal if you have 26000 rounds of ammo. I have 5 guns and don’t have 500 rounds. 26000 rounds sounds like someone with a dooms-day mindset preparing for anarchy.
I think it’s relevant to note that someone mentally unwell enough to kill another person (especially their own spouse) was able to hoard such a large amount of weapons.
I guess the rest of us are just lucky that he only wanted to kill one person, instead of several.
Devil’s advocate here. Where is the line? In an extreme example, ADHD is a mental condition so maybe they shouldn’t have guns?
In a more nuanced example, what about the trans community? Some say it’s mental disorder, some don’t. So should they or should they not have any firearms. Highest cause of gun death is actually suicide and trans community has high rate of suicide.
The point I’m making is, I think we can agree some extreme examples are very easy to distinguish. But it is a very slippery slope where people’s rights could be taken away without proper due process. Basically, at the mercy of the current administration’s opinions rather than the actual facts of the situation.
Your examples are extremely dismissive of a link that is actually there. He owned a fuckload of guns and used them to murder his wife. Not only are your crimes less serious, they’re not related to the hobby at all.
Regardless, the people claiming “what’s the big deal, so he owned a bunch of guns” clearly have no idea how it looks outside of pro-gun circles (and outside of America).
If he had been charged with sexual assault and the headline said that he owned a sex doll, you might say “so what?”. If he was charged with sexual assault and he owned 48 sex dolls, you’d be treating it like a red flag.
It’s not a random stat like Pokemon cards. You’re being obtuse. It would be more like “Woman with extensive collection of flares, matches, and gasoline burns down house” and “man who owned numerous police scanners and maps of escape routes evades police.”
The “actual situation” is that he had a collection of 47 weapons that enable murder and he murdered someone with one of them. Your analogies are absurd.
Yeah. I think the previous domestic disputes and alcohol abuse are more relevant to the domestic violence. If he didn’t have a gun, it would have been a fist.
As well they should, but nothing will change until Qualified Immunity gets re-examined, and cops that engage in criminal activity while wearing a badge are actually treated like criminals instead of being shielded from consequences by the police union and precinct transfers.
and it's gonna take a Constitutional crime like this, by a cop who has already had crimes swept under the rug while he was captain of the KCPD, to change things
County Attorney Joel Ensby, whose brother owns the hotel where Newell operates her restaurant, was asked for [the probable cause affidavit] but said he would not release it because it was "not a public document". Source
So, if I'm following correctly, the Police Chief left his last job because of multiple sexual assault allegations, which was being looked into by the Record. And the owner of the restaurant (which only opened back in January] was trying to hide her DUI and illegal driving and was being investigated by the Record. And the County Attorney's brother owns the hotel and probably wants the restaurant to succeed to increase his profits. At this point. I think we're just missing the motive for the judge to have signed off on the search warrant ...
So one thing you have to remember about Hawaii is that Hawaii didn't CHOOSE to become part of the US. The US seized the place and forced the Queen to sign some paperwork turning the country over to them. And now a bunch of people from the country that took over your country come every year to party it up, even if there's been a disaster that killed a bunch of native Hawaiians.
This is why a lot of native Hawaiians have a big problem with tourists not just now, but ALL of the time. And if you say their economy is getting uplifted by tourism you will get an EARFUL about how foreign companies are what's actually reaping the rewards of that tourism, and that the land on the island is too expensive for natives to buy BECAUSE of the tourist industry snapping it up and how they'd basically rather be poor than occupied by a party industry that encourages outsiders to come down, treat people like servants and trash the place.
Now I can't do anything to solve this and neither can any of you. Just give them a break, guys. It's not easy to live in another man's paradise.
Dude it’s so sad… I am going to rant a little cause I am outraged with CBS! THEY KEEP SHOWING AND INTERVIEWING OPRAH!! Asking her how she feels and how this hurt her…Who the fuck cares about how Oprah feels about her mega million dollar house that was basically untouched while the community is hurting and many died!!! Oprah wasn’t even there, she flew in!! They keep interviewing Oprah and asking how she feels… Gail King on CBS tried to Martyr Oprah by saying Oprah went to buy some cots… How about opening that mega million dollar house for the community? How much money is she worth these days,? Why can’t she foot some of the bill for her community and actually step up if she feels so connected to the Island that she lives at 10% of the years for…
As a student who grew up attending Massachusetts public schools, this is fantastic news. Just wish that could have been me!
I used to bring a lot of boxed lunch in most days instead because school lunches were an unnecessary expense, but sometimes I’d buy school lunch if it was one I liked.
I don’t know if this applies everywhere, but my school district at least had a needs-based free lunch (and breakfast) program for those from low income families, but honestly all students deserve to eat a healthy and nutritious meal during school, which I am sure also takes quite a bit of stress off of parents.
The trouble with needs based programs is that students who receive the free lunch then get shamed by other students for being poor. Thus the movement to give the lunch to everyone. The cost per student is fairly low compared to the other expenses of running a school. Plus there are savings resulting from getting rid of the bureaucracy that figures out who is needy enough to get a free lunch, getting rid of the payment collection operation, etc, that partly offset the cost of the additional free lunches.
It depends on how you manage it. We had a system where parents could pay up front for your lunches, and students using that system got their lunches the same way the needs-based students did - the lunch lady just checked their name off the list for the day. You could guess at who had which, probably, but there was no way to confirm it.
That being said, you’re right about the bureaucracy and I’m all in favor of free lunches for all students regardless of their parents’ income.
Shortage of workers that will do 16 hour days with minimal breaks for third world pay is likely what they mean… The US is going to have to throw money at this to keep it on track because TSMC is going to have to pay a livable wage to support staff and construction workers. Which they aren’t used to.
I assumed that’s exactly why businesses were going to AZ and TX. “Business friendly” means tax credits, tax breaks, and enthusiastically anti-union/anti-labor government.
For me, it was the only explanation for why you’d make such a long term investment in a place that’s being threatened by climate change on multiple angles (water, extreme heat).
I’m not going to say this is nothing–because as the ban on tobacco and liquor advertising showed us, it’s not nothing --but is the best we can do banning firearm ads???
Would be much more helpful to target the source of violence. Individuals with a stable job, a family, and healthcare are significantly less likely to commit serious crimes like murder.
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