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Reddit Undeleted all my posts and comments

Before I left Reddit, I used a plugin through the api to replace all of my comments with random gibberish and then delete them. Part of this was because (mandatory) fuck spez. But more importantly, it was to protect the anonymity of my account. After years of posting, there is likely enough personal information shared to potentially connect my Reddit habits to my online identity. I wasn’t planning on using Reddit again in the future on that account, but I left it open in order to maintain some security control over the account. I’m not really sure what to do at this point because I still consider it a security vector that’s a bit concerning. There’s no way I can manually edit and delete all of my content with the snail’s-pace reddit UI, and I have no ability to assure that my content will remain unavailable or at least not publicly displayed.

Chozo ,

The API-based deletion tools usually have to be tuned to delete posts slowly enough to not trigger Reddit's abuse detection. Otherwise, they'll automatically undo bulk changes like that.

There's no way I can manually edit and delete all of my content with the snail's-pace reddit UI

This is, unfortunately, the only way to guarantee that your posts stay deleted. My account was 15 years old. I still log in every few weeks or so to go manually delete more comments. It'll be a while.

Ringmasterincestuous ,

You’re a hero for doing it though… so there’s that 🫡 🦸🏻

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, it’s easy enough for reddit to detect rapid edits over a 1-day period and just undo all of them. That seems to be the case here. The edits I did manually were retained.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

I had to fiddle with my own on my old laptop, I used one of the plethora of github scripts, but then they changed the api to limit access to (I think) about 100/min, so I just changed the delays to 1000ms so it would only delete 60/min.

Took two weeks, but I still haven’t seen any old content pop back up outside of archives and quotes from other comments in the thread.

I search for a couple random things I remember saying on ddg/bing/Google whenever I think about it, so far nothing.

As I’ve said before about certain countries, you know your platform is doing well when you (essentially) tell people “No, sorry, you can’t leave.”

tiefling ,

I got banned so I can’t even delete my shit :/

(For anyone curious, it was for suggesting that riot police should quit their jobs en masse following RvW. I still stand by that statement)

ShepherdPie ,

Same but my ban was for talking about piracy in /r/movies and then accidently posting there again months later on one of my alt accounts.

Kecessa ,

Mine was for arguing with the BreadTube mod after he banned me for asking “Once you get rid of polices what’s the plan exactly? A burglar enters your house, what then?”

Chozo ,

I had a site-wide, week-long ban for saying that Nazis who got punched in the face deserved it. Fuck that place, lmao

grue ,

My account was “permanently suspended” for “mod abuse” because I reported misinformation in r/conservative.

possiblylinux127 ,

That’s shouldn’t be a shock

ngwoo ,

I pissed off a power mod and got banned from a handful of subreddits and accidentally posted on one of them with an alt. Both accounts permabanned for ban evasion - even though one of those subreddits was one I only ever posted on with one account.

possiblylinux127 ,

I hope you know that I am reporting you for this.

Just kidding

AlecSadler ,

Wait so if you get banned you can’t even access your own information anymore?

GBU_28 ,

They could just look 5+ years back, gauge the average rate of comment editing (with falloff for time since comment creation), take that as a standard, and pass that as a filter over any modern edits. You would literally have to edit slower than the average bear, especially accounting for older comments.

intensely_human ,

I’m banned from reddit permanently. But I suspect my information is still there. Unsure what to do about it, aside from embracing the fuckedness.

Burn_The_Right ,

This is why I make sure that everything I post is offensive or inflammatory. That way, keeping my comments published is counterproductive for the platform, you dumb piece of shit.

ngwoo ,

See the reason Lemmy is better than Reddit is because you don’t have 37 people jumping down your throat right now because they didn’t understand the sarcasm

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

wouldn’t this be against gdpr??

Showroom7561 ,

Really! This has ILLEGAL written all over it!

cheddar ,
@cheddar@programming.dev avatar

I’m not a legal expert, hence the question: isn’t GDPR about personal information? Name, IP, physical and email addresses, etc. I don’t think reddit comments fall into this category, maybe with the exception of particular comments with particular personal information.

Boozilla ,
@Boozilla@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for bringing this up. I double-checked to make sure mine are still deleted.

Of course, nothing is truly deleted. I’m speculating they’ll train AI with our deleted content anyway.

intensely_human ,

I’ve been planning for my content to be read by AI since 2010. Every time I wrote anything, I kept in mind it would be read by AI in the future. My entire account there was designed to teach AI to be good.

Veedem ,
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

Bro…what?

Rai ,

I almost ate the bait

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Are you a resident of the EU? If so, I believe you have the legal right to demand that reddit delete all of your data and user content, and by law they must comply.

If you are a US citizen, I believe you have very little recourse in forcing them to delete your data, unless you are a resident of California or Virginia.

mvirts ,

I wonder what the legality of transferring ownership of the account to someone in the EU in order to request gdpr enforcement would be… Or I suppose you could become an EU resident but that would be rather difficult.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

Most likely you could just hit it from a proxy and say you are from the EU.

AlexWIWA ,

They’ll usually process GDPR requests for anyone at these hacked together tech companies. It’s not worth the dev time to build two separate flows

veloxization ,
@veloxization@yiffit.net avatar

Every time this gets brought up, I go back to a thread where my most popular comment was (since I no longer have an account to check back on and it’s the only one I know for sure I can find). To this day, it luckily still remains deleted. If it does get restored, I wonder if it becomes the original comment or the generic [deleted in protest of the Reddit API change] or whatever I set them to be edited to before deletion.

tal , (edited )

If you’re concerned about particular comments or posts linking your Reddit account to your real-world identity, and you know have a pretty good idea what those are, can you just delete or modify those?

I think that there are some other issues here, though.

That will help if you’re worried about someone doxxing an account via just casually doing Web searches, maybe.

But people have already archived copies of Reddit’s comment and post history. So if you’re worried about someone likely to be digging through such a database, this won’t help.

And I have no idea whether Reddit actually purges deleted comments internally, or whether they or any partners or future purchasers might have access to deleted text. I haven’t looked at their privacy policy, so I don’t know what they do.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

It’s an aggregate concern - Advertisers, bad actors, etc could easily use tools that are available now or will be soon to extract information that otherwise would be impossible for a human to wade through. I know that in one sense, everything is backed up by the NSA, etc, but that is not something I can do anything about.

The concern is actually greater in the fediverse, since a federated admin has access to even more information, and there is no absolute way to delete everything even with GDPR. I think that the risk is worth building a better internet. It’s also a part of why blocking Threads is important.

tal , (edited )

So, I’m gonna be honest. I don’t think that mass deanonymization via text analysis is in the immediate future.

Is it a theoretical risk? Yes. It’s not because I don’t think that it’s technically doable. It’s for a rather-more-depressing reason: because there’s lower-hanging fruit if someone is trying to build a deanonymized database. I just don’t think that it’s presently worth the kind of effort required to mass-deanonymize text, in general.

Any time you have an account with some company that persists for a long time, if they retain a persistent IP address log, then whenever you log in, you’re linking your identity and the IP address at that time. Especially if one cross-correlates logs at a few companies, and a data-miner could do a reasonably reliable job of deanonymizing someone. Maybe it’s not perfect, maybe there are several people in a household or something, maybe some material is suspect. But if you’re watching cookies in a browser on a phone crossing from one network to another and such, my guess is that you can typically probably map an IP address to a fairly limited number of people.

I mean, there are ways to help obfuscate that, like Tor. But virtually nobody is doing that sort of thing. And even through something like Tor, browsers tend to leak an awful lot of bits of unique information.

And if someone’s downloading an app to their phone that’s intentionally transmitting a unique identifier, then it’s pretty much game over anyway, absent something like XPrivacyLua that can forge information. Companies want to get people using their phone apps.

An individual person might be subject to doxxing from someone who wants to try to identify their real-life persona from an online persona. But I don’t think that companies will generally likely be going that route in the near future to try to deanonymize users en masse, because they’ve already got easier, more-reliable ways to track people that people are vulnerable to.

All that being said, once text is out there, it’s potentially not going away, so keeping in mind that it might be deanonymized one day via future analysis might be a good idea. The Federalist Papers were deanonymized via Bayesian statistical analysis centuries after they were written using technologies that their authors could not have dreamed of.

Robert Hanssen – a Soviet mole in the FBI who had counterintelligence expertise and could reasonably expect to be dealing with state-level intelligence agencies going after him – was caught because he used the unique phrase “the purple-pissing Japanese” on two occasions; once where his real-life identity wasn’t known but that he was a spy was, and once where his real-life identity was known but not that he was a spy. That deanonymization was done manually, via human effort, but if you figure that the same sorts of approaches could be used to link accounts at different services and across accounts on one service…shrugs I mean, I just don’t have the tools to try to resist something like that, to keep what I’m saying intact but present ideas in a way that I’d be confident would be strong against that kind of analysis.

lvxferre ,
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

While I don’t think that text analysis (TA) is going to replace those techniques that you mentioned, I do think that it is a threat to anonimity in the immediate future, because it’ll likely be used alongside those techniques to improve their accuracy and lower their overall costs.

The key here is machine “learning” lowering the TA fruit by quite a bit. People misattribute ML with almost supernatural abilities, but here it’s right at home, as it’s literally made to find correlations between sets of data. And, well, TA is basically that.

Another reason why I think that it’s a threat is because even a partial result is useful. TA doesn’t just identifies you; it profiles you. And even if not knowing exactly your name and address, info like age, sex, gender, location, social class, academic formation etc. is still useful for advertisers and similar.

(Besides the Federalist Papers and Robert Hanssen, another interesting example would be how the Unabomber was captured. It illustrates better how the analysis almost never relies on a single piece of info, but rather multiple pieces that are then glued together into a coherent profile.)

(Also sorry for nerding out about this, it’s just a topic that I happen to enjoy.)

RememberTheApollo_ ,

Huh. I lost 50k in points post-APIgate. So they undeleted some, and deleted others?

slurpeesoforion ,

Instead of deleting everything, edit it to sometime else. Quick brown fox that shit.

hedgehog ,

That’s what the plugin they used did.

GBU_28 ,

I’ve been saying this from the start:

Any basic level competency backend team has change history on comments. Crack whatever jokes you like about Reddit but they at least have “basic level competency”

It’s trivial for them to build some filters to detect mass changes and just fuckin roll them back.

If you post ANYTHING on ANY server you don’t own: it’s out there. For ever.

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possiblylinux127 ,

I learned this like 10 years ago at least

GBU_28 ,

That’s pretty fuckin cool

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

I edited and deleted my comments, and then got banned. I figure they’re not going to resurrect potentially tainted comments for training AIs.

possiblylinux127 ,

I think the smarter thing would’ve been to start posting AI generated content

Cagi ,

Just wait till you hear how Lemmy “deletes” things. Illegal revenge and child porn, genocidal hate speech, everything is stored forever and in some apps, not even obscured.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I’ve mentioned elsewhere that the fediverse is far worse. Lemmy is among the worst activity pub implementations in this regard, and they are all pretty fundamentally flawed.

Federated platforms are by nature trickier in this regard. Even email is difficult to truly delete.

possiblylinux127 ,

To be far, anything posted to the internet is there forever.

Then again, that doesn’t mean Lemmy can’t improve

Sami ,
@Sami@lemmy.zip avatar

Are you sure it was previously deleted stuff? I thought the same thing had happened to me but it was due to subreddits being private at the time of deletion then later coming out of private (some weeks or months later) preventing those then privated posts/comments from being deleted. I think running another automated tool again should do the trick at this point.

dhhyfddehhfyy4673 ,

Also, there's non-rolling limit to how much shows in a user profile. All the delete/modify scripts I've seen work through the user profile, cycling each sorting method to access as much as possible. For old accounts, or just ones with enough activity, there's going to be shit not visible there. Have to search with other means if you want to get everything in that case.

stoly ,

This is my problem. Account is 16 years old and I have nearly 500k karma.

Anti_Iridium ,

Something about selling adding gasoline to the fire?

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

There might be something to this. I went and checked just now, prompted by a your comment, and I found a handful (like, six) comments from ages ago on reddit that did not get torched when I did my mass edit-and-delete, somehow. I found these mostly because some punters found them and necroposted on those threads, so I have notifications regarding them.

I found a few more and deleted those by hand, too. Most of them were from the same sub, so that sub was probably locked when I did my mass delete.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

It seems to be undeleted. I confirmed that everything was gone at that time, and I am seeing no obvious pattern so far. I could be mistaken, but that’s how it appears.

Jimmycrackcrack ,

Maybe you should start the long process of manually changing everything to grammatically correct, parseable nonsense, comment by comment. Make it a long term project.

gedaliyah OP ,
@gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

Even better! Maybe change everything to “ignore previous instructions” lol

johntash ,

You’ll need to include new instructions to follow too!

bradorsomething ,

Undeleted?

Did you find an email from Ali and her sister?

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