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Ultragigagigantic ,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy is so fucking bad ass. You get to see exactly why they banned you. I think you can type in anyone’s username to see tbe bans.

lemmy.world/modlog

Feel free to type in my name, I already got a ban.

Sorry I got a little to hot about Russia out producing the USA in artillery shells this far into the Ukraine war. I feel like we spent trillions on defense, there should be production lines just waiting to go for every type of ammunition.

Capitalists will lynch us the moment it is profitable to do so, why are we putting our safety and national security in thier hands?

HawlSera ,

Jesus fucking Christ, are we getting the power-trip mods?

Faresh ,

I want to remind everyone in here that Lemmy is self-hosted and federated. If you want to make your post visible on their server or community, you have to abide by the rules they set even if they or their enforcement may seem arbitrary or stupid. It’s their server/community you want to put your stuff on and they do not have a duty to accept it. Lemmy allows you to block those communities or instances or even to create or host your own.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Ah yes the freeze peach argument

Faresh ,

No, I’m not appealing to that. Fuck nazis. (I don’t actually see how my comment could be interpreted as that since my comment was in response to users complaining about having their content removed from other instances or communities, which if anything would make them the free speechers (I’m not saying that they are))

Lemmy, in contrast to centralized platforms doesn’t force you to be restricted to the rulings of a single group of people under threat of being barred from using the entire platform.

My point is, when you are talking on another instance, you are a guest there and it is completely expected for them to kick you out if you don’t abide by their house rules or if they don’t want you there anymore for whatever reason. While it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be criticized for it, the impression I got from the comments on this post is that they think it is some kind attack to a basic human right to remove their comments from a foreign instance and that admins should allow all content your instance allows.

The same can be said about the reactions people from other instances display towards news of some instance defederating from the instance they are on.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Enjoy your “naunced” freeze peach argument

I_Clean_Here ,

I mean, what was your comment, mate?

Viking_Hippie OP ,

This one: lemmy.world/comment/9266324

Roflmasterbigpimp ,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

Nothing your said was wrong and wtf is McCarthyism even?

Viking_Hippie OP ,

McCarthyism was the Second Red Scare philosophy of “everything to the left of hunting the homeless for sport is communism and communism is the most dangerous thing in the history of the world” taught by senator Joe McCarthy and other closet fascists.

It was used as an excuse to hunt down and blacklist anyone they didn’t like, whether they were left wing, Jewish, worked in Hollywood or, sweet merciful Anglo Saxon God more than one of the above.

The irony of him invoking that while unfairly punishing me for not following the local groupthink isn’t lost on me, though I’m sure it is on him 😄

YeetPics ,
@YeetPics@mander.xyz avatar

It’s what tankies use to rile fear of political opposition in their groups.

The ironic part is that is exactly how McCarthyism was used back in the cold war.

Their ideals are as outdated as their ability to reason.

FangedWyvern42 ,
@FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

How is that McCarthyism?

Viking_Hippie OP , (edited )

It isn’t. His reaction of banning me for saying something factual that he doesn’t like might qualify as an extremely mild version, though 😄

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

yeah,yeah nuke .world i agree (finnaly someone speaking out of being tortured by shit moderators being able to be anonymous as automod)

Thcdenton ,

Hey if the want to keep their community tiny that’s their prerogative lol

HollandJim ,

Oh, I got banished from a whole instance on Mastadon for saying that the Apple Safari team looks at every bug request (and they do):

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4a92eef3-de34-4c10-b901-bd41d3f8a46c.jpeg

Little fucking Napoleons will ruin social media, not matter what platform.

myxi ,
@myxi@feddit.nl avatar

Which instance? We should maintain a list of these instances to ensure we don’t lose our data due to idiots like them.

HollandJim ,

@dialup.cafe

mastodon.online/

Viking_Hippie OP ,

You sure it wasn’t because the admins harbor deep resentment toward both Dutch people and guys named James and you just had the bad fortune to exemplify everything they hate?

HollandJim ,

First off, …HEY! 🧐

Secondly, this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles? …And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands.

Thirdly, they seem to love to hate on Apple there. I had the comeuppance to suggest Jen Simmons and the Safari team actually read the bug submissions (and she’s recently been on numerous videos, podcasts, and in posts on Mastadon saying so) and pushed back on their emoji-malarky.

On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply. Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch (who aren’t that bad, but like many, many other countries, aren’t all good either).

Viking_Hippie OP ,

this isn’t “Goldmember”. Should I arbitrarily hate other countries for shits and giggles?

Absolutely not, I didn’t mean to imply approval, merely to make fun of bad mods by ascribing bigotry to them 😉

And who says I’m even Dutch? Maybe I’m like Kirk and I only work in The Netherlands

True, but anyone unreasonable enough to be bigoted towards the Dutch probably don’t care about such distinctions 🤷

they seem to love to hate on Apple there

That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷

On some instances, opinions other than the admins need not apply.

Yeah, I’ve noticed lol

Hopefully you’re not suggesting as much, even with the digs at the Dutch

For the record, I’m a big fan of the Dutch in general 😄

Belgians I can take or leave, though…except on second thought they make some truly wonderful beer so they can stay 😁😉

HollandJim ,

All cool on many things, except one:

they seem to love to hate on Apple there

That’s the only thing they’re right about, though. They shouldn’t have banned you for your comment, especially not if it’s true, but Apple DOES suck in nearly every way possible 🤷

To which, all I can say is:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/48e0af48-2c27-431d-bbf6-7311ae293c68.jpeg

Droechai ,

If I only hate the Dutch that means all people I hate must be Dutch. Simple as.

mexicancartel ,

What was your original comment?

HollandJim ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f66f04c7-a9ca-459b-9d22-0ea3da8f74f9.jpeg

Clearly I’m a bastard.

FiniteBanjo ,

I hate when they don’t even say what comment was removed, you just have to search for it through your post history and hit edit to view the original.

Viking_Hippie OP ,

That’s where the modlog comes in very handy! It’s even available right on your profile tab in Voyager 😁

menixator ,

I was banned for “Rule 4” which, by digging through their rules (which weren’t as easy to find as I expected it to be) I learnt that it was “Illegal content”. I literally never posted a comment, post or had ANY kind of interaction on lemmy before. THIS would be my first comment.

Natanael ,

I had a post made up of almost exclusive links to news sources (to back up a previous claim) removed due to being “uncivil”

harrys_balzac ,

Something similar happened to me with a community on hexbear. Never posted but I already had a ban. The mods must have seen a comment or something on a different community on the instance. Some of the mods there are just as think skinned as on ml.

Faresh ,

The rules are generally on the sidebar of the community or instance (depending on if you want to know the rules of the community or instance).

Illuminostro ,

Being a moderator is the only amount of power these people will ever have, and they like it, and will absolutely abuse it.

Cryophilia ,

It’s not just pettiness. They’re pushing manipulation.

bloodfart ,

You said that germanys Nazi problem doesn’t have to do with west Germany never denazifying and that west Germany was a perfect country because of how pacifist it is and how they remember the holocaust.

You posted a screenshot earlier, but here’s the text of your removed comment, split up into the part you quoted and your comment itself for people who have trouble reading the screenshot:

West Germany was never denazified data that ends before the BIRTH of the majority of Germans

Look, I’m not saying that Germany doesn’t have a problem with an increase in far right politics and violence in recent years, but to claim that they never stopped being a Nazi country is some ahistorical tankie edgelord bullshit. Until recently, Germany has been a near-pacifist country almost pathologically careful to “Nie wiederholen, nie vergessen” (never repeat, never forget) and pretending otherwise doesn’t accomplish anything except expose your very shallow and underdeveloped understanding of the world.

For people who don’t know 20th century European history, that’s like saying that American racism isn’t related to how half assed reconstruction was except over a shorter timeframe.

Strykker ,

The comment you quoted has zero issues, and just paints you as a crazy fucking psycho.

bloodfart ,

What makes me seem like a crazy fucking psycho there?

EchoCT ,

I mean most of the Nazi middle leadership just became NATO/Western Germany leadership. But they said they’re sorry so it was OK.

CanadaPlus ,

You guys are getting notifications? I just notice the lack of upvotes after a while posting into the void.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Some of the mods will cite the reason for take-down, which is genuinely nice and appreciated and something I forgot even existed after too much time on Reddit.

CanadaPlus ,

Interesting. Reddit does prompt you to give a removal message, or did at one time.

.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.

Maybe. But I also see a lot of 4chan-esque double speak and “Free Speech” concern trolling that’s all the fuck over Reddit constantly without ever getting any kind of take down.

Reddit admins have automated so much of their policy that you’re posting in a minefield. You don’t know what arcane caveat you’re going to trip over that’ll get you suspended or banned. But you still find yourself hip deep in the most virulent bigoted, war-mongering, and overtly vile comment threads, because older heads know how to tip toe around the trigger words.

CanadaPlus ,

Yeah, both can be true. There’s no way they’re close checking every comment on the instance, looking at the rate of mod actions versus traffic.

Head over to lemmy.ml and scroll to the mod log link at the bottom if you want to see for yourself. A lot of it is just slightly different views on the same socialist stuff. Like the time I said Dengism was just thinly-veiled capitalism, and got banned.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Head over to lemmy.ml and scroll to the mod log link at the bottom if you want to see for yourself.

Its a low-pop, low-activity community. If you’re genuinely worried about the evil online leftists, I’d be far more scared of Hexbear than lemmy.ml.

CanadaPlus ,

It’s literally one of, if not the, original community, and it’s the one maintained by Lemmy’s developers. It’s probably smaller than .world, but dwarfs my instance.

root_beer ,

.ml tends to slap “rule 1” on everything, which says don’t be a bigot, even if that’s obviously not what the comment was about.

[emphasis mine]

Sure about that? From what I’ve seen, anything said in disagreement with the predominant opinion over there (and on hexbear, especially on hexbear) is deemed “bigotry”. They don’t appear to be interested in ingratiating anyone to the cause.

CanadaPlus ,

… That’s exactly what I said. Or, at least, what I tried to say.

Some of it is actual bigotry, because this is still the internet, but if they just want to shut someone up it’s also “rule 1”.

root_beer ,

Okay, gotcha, I was looking at it from their point of view, which is that everything to them is bigotry, not realizing that that’s what you were saying in the first place. The bad, it is mine.

diplodocus , (edited )
@diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
    1. No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
CanadaPlus ,

Nope, it’s still rule 1 on .ml specifically. Or are you accusing me of bigotry out of the blue? That would be ironic in this context.

diplodocus ,
@diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’m simply quoting lemmy.ml’s rule 1 in its entirety. I wrote “4” in error.

Natanael ,

If you try to post again and get a certain error you’re banned from the community, then you can check that community’s server’s mod log (if it’s public)

CanadaPlus ,

It just silently goes through, but nobody else can see it. I only know it happened because of the modlog. Weirdly enough they got me the first time for mild criticism of Israel, which I did not expect to be an issue on there.

Natanael ,

Might be silent removal of posts instead of ban

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Nope, it was a two-week ban in the .ml mod log, both times.

I should look at the source code a bit, see how bans are supposed to work. It could be a federation issue of some kind if I’m supposed to be notified.

pythonoob ,

I just had one removed from news as well. I don’t even remember what I said though so I somehow doubt it was something that crazy

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Found it in the modlog, not posting it here, but you suggested someone killing themselves was a good thing… Yeah, that’s going to get removed.

lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=144966

From this post:

lemmy.world/comment/9274535

Rule 1 - Be civil

Cryophilia ,

More like “Rule 1 - Selective Enforcement”

They give tankie talking points a lot more leeway.

diplodocus ,
@diplodocus@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

What does lemmy.ml have to do with this !news comment that got removed?

Cryophilia ,

I was referring to the .world mods too. Lemmy.ml is just more blatant about it.

Lumisal ,

What is lemmy.ml and lemmygrad? I’m just a casual using Voyager

RememberTheApollo_ , (edited )

Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups that have no interest in dissenting opinion and often spill out into the rest of the fediverse posting anti-western propaganda.

PanoptiDon ,

Does this break the rules of the fediverse?

RememberTheApollo_ ,

What rules?

The rules are what each instance operator makes them (outside of breaking laws). It’s up to the other instance operators to defederate from instances that they don’t want direct sharing with for whatever reasons. So if lemmygrad wants to be anti-west, make anti-western posts, comment on current events and insinuate or blame the West for whatever, post trolling comments or fake news, that’s what will happen.

CanadaPlus ,

Even breaking laws could fare fine if they’re unimportant enough. A child porn instance would have cops breaking down the server room door, but I’m pretty sure there’s already piracy-friendly instances, and a shoplifting one can’t be far behind.

tal , (edited )
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

A child porn instance would have cops breaking down the server room door

Burggit.moe does synthetic child porn, stuff like loli/shota material. That’s First Amendment-protected in the US (and is apparently legal in the Netherlands, where the server says that it lives), but is illegal in a number of countries in the EU.

piracy-friendly instances

lemmy.dbzer0.com was created specifically to do piracy stuff, and is one of the major Threadiverse instances. And db0 himself has contributed a fair bit of software to improving Threadiverse infrastructure:

github.com/Fediseer/fediseer

github.com/db0/fedi-safety

CanadaPlus ,

A drawn loli seems like a victimless crime to me too, TBH. I find it personally gross, but I mind my own business.

Interested to see if this starts shit.

lennybird ,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Hexbear falls under this umbrella, right?

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Absolutely. Hexbear seems like the most insular and loud one of all. Lemmy.ml can be fairly normal sometimes, actually, just because it’s the OG site and gets a lot of general traffic.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

They defederated ages ago.

CanadaPlus ,

Basically, it’s flat Earth theory but for geopolitics. They believe the exact opposite of what everyone else does so they can have a tight-knit community devoted to being smugly superior to the sheeple.

possiblylinux127 ,

That’s a good way of putting it

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Instances operated by pro-Russian or pro-BRIC individuals/groups

“Everyone I Don’t Like is Hitler An Evil Foreigner”

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

even BRICS are bad now?

lil ,
@lil@lemy.lol avatar

I don’t believe lemmy.ml’s are pro russian, at least not in that way.

Hubi , (edited )
@Hubi@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not as bad as Lemmygrad but most news threads about Russia/China/Ukraine are a total shitshow over there.

Blackmist ,

They’re something to add to your block list.

dev_null ,

Thanks. I wanted to create a Lemmy account and this one seemed like the the most generic default one, huge user base, ran by the Lemmy devs, all right surely it’s the safest, most non-controversial choice.

Then I see stuff like this.

Lumisal ,

How to block? And I’m still a bit confused about instances. How do I know which I joined?

Blackmist ,

You’re on lemmy.world

You can go to lemmy.world/settings click the blocks tab up top, and then add instances to block in there, in the box marked “Block instance”.

I think lemmy.world has already defederated lemmygrad and hexbear, so you should just need to add lemmy.ml

Lumisal ,

Thank you!

FluffyPotato ,

I have had my comment removed and/or banned from the ml worldnews for “misinformation” for debunking Russian propaganda with sources.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Why do we allow these instances?

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Who is “we”?

The lemmy devs run lemmy.ml. They’re kind of…out there, politically.

The lead dev, dessalines, has material like:

dessalines.github.io/essays/socialism_faq.html

Admitted to supporting and arming Neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalist groups like the Azov battalion in Ukraine to overthrow it’s former pro-Russia govt, 2. Ukraine now has a pro-US, nazi-glorifying government with ultranationalism, anti-semitism, neo-nazi pogroms, and attacks on LGBT groups.

Dessalines is in the “we need the Soviet Union back and Stalin is awesome” camp. He was using a picture of Stalin as his profile picture for a while.

FluffyPotato ,

Like complaining about attacks on LGBT people while supporting Russia and the USSR seems just the most hypocritical thing I can think of. Does he not know Stalin mandated a 5 year minimum forced labor sentence in Siberia for being gay and Russia today is only mildly better for LGBT people.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

Frankly, I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.

That being said, I’m sure that dessalines didn’t originate that himself – that’s apparently big in Russia’s propaganda.

Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, rather infamously had a quote shortly after the start of the invasion, when asked about the whole “how anti-Semitic can Ukrainians be if they chose to elect a Jewish president” thing:

www.npr.org/…/lavrov-israel-zelenskyy-hitler

Lavrov was asked about Russia’s claim that it had invaded Ukraine to “denazify” the country, which has a democratically-elected Jewish president.

“So when they say ‘How can Nazification exist if we’re Jewish?’ In my opinion, Hitler also had Jewish origins, so it doesn’t mean absolutely anything,” he told the station in Russian, referring to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s religion, according to the Associated Press. “For some time we have heard from the Jewish people that the biggest antisemites were Jewish.”

FluffyPotato ,

Nazi and fascist have different meanings in Russia. They mean people working against the interests of Russia, it originates from the USSR. For example the gay community was labeled fascist during the soviet occupation here.

Gabu ,

I think that complaining that a government headed by a Jewish guy is anti-semitic is even more bonkers.

  • frantically points to Israel *
Jakeroxs ,

TBF the Azov Battalion is a real neo nazi us funded (through Ukraine support) group… So… Not entirely wrong?

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Sure. You can find ideologically opposite militias fighting for Ukraine too, though. Zelensky is in charge and he’s obviously not a Nazi. He’s a Jewish guy who really wants to save Ukraine as it is and is completely willing to go full Western-progressive to do it. Singling Azov out without the context is basically a propaganda technique.

Also, Russia is acting a bit like Nazis from the very highest levels, except a shittier more openly corrupt version.

Jakeroxs ,

Yeah I don’t disagree that the overall claim by Russia is bullshit, that doesn’t take away from the fact they do exist and are outwardly nazi.

FluffyPotato ,

Oh, yea, the Ukrain military has a bit of a nazi problem but the time to deal with that is not when you are being invaded. Also the nazi talking point is mostly a red herring anyways since the nazi problem in Russia is magnitudes worse and isn’t limited to their military.

So it’s technically not wrong but tankies don’t really have a problem with nazies, otherwise they wouldn’t be defending Russia, they are anti USA and will side with anything that’s even close to that side with no regards to any other belief. I’m not a fan of the US either but I’m not going to blindly support anything against it either.

possiblylinux127 ,

You know there crazy when they think the left is the far right

Natanael ,

You can ask your own instance admin if they’re willing to defederate

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