Seeing youth orgs like TPUSA and YAF on college and high school campuses means that we might have to start playing at their own game and not just take kids becoming socialist as default.
It’s not happening as much at the moment. That tends to happen as people buy houses, have family and feel comfortable. All of that is happening less for the younger generations than those that came before them so they aren’t going as conservative as they age
Bro I’m thriving in this society and am as left as they come. Whole bunch of stupid ass games that are easy to play when the circumstances favor you. They’re entirely unfair and inequitable.
Winning at this shit game is nothing to be proud of.
In the UK we have something called the “Shy Tory Factor”, where opinion polls almost always favour the left, because people will tell people (including pollsters) that they voted for one party, but then voted in a way they view they will be judged against.
IIRC it’s also noted in US politics, and IMO it’s highly likely that in certain areas you’ll find many people that will say all the right things in public, but secretly prefer Trump over Biden, regardless of what either party stands for.
God this is a depressing thought. We have enough people here who ARE already publicly vocal for the likes of our far right. To think that there are posers is kinda as terrifying as it is believable.
Not sure where you live, but millennials and Gen z generally have more liberal views than conservative ones in the US, as far as I’m aware. Here’s a couple links to Pew Research Center, first is a number of statistics regarding political stances between generations (doesn’t include gen z) and the second is specifically about how Gen Z compares to older generations in political stances.
Well then you’re definitely having a different experience than urban Americans and Canadians. I will say the rural folk are keeping right wing, but the cities are full of left leaning young’uns.
That definitely doesn’t match what I’ve seen, in Canada (both Sask and Ontario), nor what polls I’ve seen (eg, on topics like LGBT acceptance).
Note that the alt right are often the loudest (at least on a per capita basis). I think this can skew perception on how common they are, since they are over represented in online comments and there’s some kinds of online comments that are completely dominated by the right (to the degree where “don’t read the comments” is a meme in leftist circles).
Location definitely matters, too. Cities are way more accepting than rural or suburban areas. If you’re in a rural or suburban area, you have my sympathy. I grew up in a rural area myself and it was awful. I think many people (myself included) are purposefully fleeing shittier areas. That means progesssives not only migrate from rural to cities, but also from shitty provinces/states to better ones.
But even within the same cities, I’ve perceived younger people to get better over time. I’m pretty hopeful for gen Z, which seems better than my generation (millenials) were at the same age. I just wish we didn’t have to wait so long for progressives to outnumber regressives.
Boomers assuming people become conservative as a function of time as opposed to a function of “getting theirs”. I have no evidence but it seems to be you’re less likely to become conservative without having amassed some wealth to conserve…
I see boomers posting “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” on FB all the time, and they genuinely, unironically think they were here >strong men create good times< instead of where they really were, here >good times create weak men<, and so now we are absolutely here >weak men create hard times< thanks to them.
I know you’re probably just joking on theme, but I still feel it’s important to say that this “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times” shit is quite literally conservative mythology. It’s a line of reasoning made to justify the “necessity” of strongmen leaders (just one example) and, more often than not, starts a rabbit hole straight to fascism.
All that said though, yeah, I agree, fuck those guys thinking they’re so fuckin bad, when really they’re just losers holding us back
This whole obsession with policing people’s nationality came about because states were trying to clamp down on the massive amounts of working-class agitation that erupted across the world straight after WW1 - but all that history has essentially been scrubbed out from the “official” narratives.
This. We have to be weary that the owning class will put “leftists” in front of us to “vote for” and then this political energy will go to waste. Or they will draft us, or change the voting age, or get KOSA to pass. Idk. We gotta keep dodging the wrenches and throwing our hammers back at them.
I always find it funny how internet-commies talk about an inevitable revolution and “throwing hammers” when in reality all commies irl are basement dwelling teens with social anxiety. Otherwise you’d be normal
Doesn’t matter if they “become socialist” if they still vote for the same 2 party system. Democrats will never allow America to become actually left-wing
The 2 party system doesn't change until voting changes. First-past-the-post voting actively encourages 2 dominant parties. Ranked choice voting isn't perfect, but it's definitely better than FTTP and it has the most momentum in the US right now.
Yeah RCV sounds like the way forward. I was hoping some states would adopt PR but unfortunately that is blocked by the Uniform Congressional Districts Act.
Murdoch has been the scourge of the entire western world, or at the very least the western anglosphere. He might be an American, but his influence is not limited to that country.
Same with the use of the term “boomers”, and the association with boomers ruining the economy for everyone else. For example here’s an excellent lecture from a surprisingly self-aware boomer Conservative member of the House of Lords in the UK. Despite being both a Conservative and a boomer, he points out the ways in which boomers have destroyed the economic prospects of future generations. This is in the context of the UK, not America (though the same lessons apply in America, Australia, and elsewhere).
Just want to point out that Rupert Murdoch is arguably one of the least Australian people in the world. You’re not necessarily wrong to say that he’s “from” Australia, since that’s where he originated, but he made an active choice to actually give up his Australian citizenship, which arguably makes him less Australian than someone who lacks Australian citizenship purely by random circumstance. So using him as an example of “American” isn’t by any means wrong.
You’re right in the overall point you’re trying to make though. Murdoch’s influence has been a scourge on Australia as well as America, and the UK, and beyond. It’s a nitpick, but one I think is worth being aware of.
