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Joe_0237 ,

“Conservative Christian” is and oxymoron but having never read any Jesus, its easy to identify that way.

First of all you don’t become a conservative Christian by being willing to read. So lets imagine DeSantis misspoke and said “The only way to ensure that Trump can violate The Constitution and overthrow our democracy is to read the New Testament and understand it”

Here are some probable outcomes:

  • They see that Jesus is a leftist and can no longer call themselves Christian, when asked their religion they say “none, atheiest”.
  • They see that Jesus is a leftist and conclude that the bible was simply written by leftists and that it isn’t true.
  • They see that Jesus has good ideas, unconsciously redefine what conservative means to them, and stay quiet until someone they considerd a friend angrily calles them a libtard for stating one of jesuses teachings in disagreement of something thet had repeated from facebook.
  • They see that Jesus is a leftist, they trust in their lord choosing his love and reason over the hatred and fear of man and can no longer call themselves a conservative.
  • They conclude that Pontius Pilate and the Roman government where the good guys and Jesus was an evil libtard who earned his crusofiction and they start worshoping Pilate instead.
  • The whole thing goes over the readers head
  • They strengthen their belief by ignoring parts that clearly don’t fit their belief, and twisting anything that can kind of fit their beliefs.
bi_tux ,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

Aged like milk

orphiebaby ,
@orphiebaby@lemmy.world avatar

What?

some_guy ,

You missed the part where they said, “No I don’t, but I’ll ruin your life if you teach it!”

It’s only taught in higher ed, so this clearly didn’t happen. /s

qwerty ,

Can we make c/politicalmemes and keep this sort of content there? It’s clearly a point of division in the community, we should be more accommodating for apolitical folks.

Squirrel ,
@Squirrel@thelemmy.club avatar

Ah yes, the political issue of education and racism.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

…

Yes?

Rodeo ,

Yes but where’s the meme? All I see is a smarmy quip, there’s no joke, there’s not even a picture. It’s just a screenshot of text.

Even if you agree with the subject matter, you have to admit this is terribly low effort and low quality as far as memes go.

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

It brings me no joy to say this, but everything is political.

iByteABit ,

There’s no such thing as ‘apolitical’. The very idea of leaving politics to our superior politicians is what brought us and keeps us in this state.

This is not at all a political issue however. This is about not being a trash human being. Being racist is not a political opinion, it’s spreading hatred in the world and being a waste of skin.

qwerty ,

I’m not arguing for or against of what the post says, I’m only saying that the designated place for funny cat pictures is probably not the right place for a meaningful discussion, sharing opinions, education or anything else but funny cat pictures.

When i browse c/memes I want to see easily digestible posts that will make me exhale through my nose, not deep, thought provoking walls of text.

Holzkohlen ,

If you think this post is deep and thought provoking then I don’t know what to tell you. It just makes fun of american conservatives and that’s it. This post is literally just “conservatives dumb”, as easily digestible as I’ve ever seen.

qwerty ,

Then c/politicalmemes would be a perfect place for conservatives and progressives to call each other dumb and let everyone else on c/memes enjoy their funny cats.

bane_killgrind ,

I’d rather not have a bunch of separate meme communities. I like varied content.

qwerty ,

Then you could subscribe to both communities. Think of it as having a separate category for gay and straight porn, some people are into both, some into one or the other, some into neither and because it’s in its own category everyone can pick exactly what they want to see.

bane_killgrind ,

If porn was only categorised by gender and orientation that would be great, but it’s not. There’s a million obscure communities for every single aspect of every fetish, and there’s usually zero way to include everything but feet and piss. It takes so much effort to find something fresh because you have to intentionally look up skirts, or lesbian domination, or voyeurism or what have you.

Maybe something you’d like is in feet, because of a brief under the table socks on tease, and that’s just a tragedy because that’s just fine.

amelia ,

Sometimes there are comments that I wish I could upvote multiple times, this is one of them.

regalia ,

What is political about critical race theory? Is math also political?

HiddenLayer5 , (edited )

Is math also political?

Yes. Statistics for example gets politicized all the time, remember when Trump said not to monitor for covid because monitoring it will only find more cases?

Also, possibly the most classic example of misuse of statistics in politics is the assertion of “statistics show black people commit more crimes per capita than white people.” When in reality, black people in the West have much lower median incomes than white people due to their long history of facing marginalization and descrimination, and it’s income that is correlated to crime, not race. We know this because when you normalize for income, there is no difference in crime rates yet that fallacious statistic gets brought up by racists again and again to justify their racism.

dontcarebear ,

People come here to get away from the depressing reality of life, not to be overburdened by it.

I don’t see why you’re downvoting this. By that logic, you might as well post this in food communities and furry porn communities as well.

Katana314 ,

Aw man but I have so many funny X-Men posts to make.

TheSealStartedIt ,

9 hours old, +600 upvotes, no comments.🤔 And you came here for this lousy comment…

example ,

seems to be a federation issue for you, I see 90+ comments (reported by client, not counted), earliest from 9h ago

PlushySD ,

Wow which server are you in I only see 5 comments.

example ,

reddthat.com.
you should also see that when you click my name, if it doesn’t already show it on my name.

to be fair, iirc it was only a total of 3 comment threads at the time, where two were started by lemmy.world users and one by a hexbear.net user. as those instances are on your instances block list, that would enough to hide the entire comment threads I believe.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

I hate humans. We’re so fucking stupid it hurts.

And people wonder why so many people hate being in public…

Boddhisatva ,

I wish it really did hurt to be stupid. Those suffering from it would be much more inclined to correct the condition rather than delighting in it like they do now.

HornyOnMain ,
@HornyOnMain@hexbear.net avatar

jesus-cleanse Conservatives Christians really think this image of Jesus is about him going into the temple to throw out all the woke they/them liberals using the lord’s house to eat avocado toast and complain about climate change or some shit

mathemachristian ,

How conservative christians became the greatest opponent of environmentalism will likely forever remain a mystery for me. If there is one thing worth conserving it would be gods creation surely?

chaogomu ,

There was a study linked around somewhere in the last few days that said that political ideology was a greater factor in people's religious choices than the inverse.

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    ArmoredThirteen ,

    A chunk of my extended family buys into this and it is part of why I don’t ever visit them anymore. A couple of them listen to radio stations that preach this 24/7. Grandma was really religious and was the kind of person to hire immigrants, underpay them, then complain about immigrants being moneyless sinners. That side of the family amazes me…

    usernamesaredifficul ,

    Well that’s Calvinists for you. I don’t know why anyone ever listened to that guy but I sure wish they would stop

    thejml ,

    I always figured their reply would be “Well, if the environment is going to shit that that’s what God wants. Don’t question his master plan. He only does things or let’s things happen for a reason.”

    thatgirlwasfire ,

    I remember watching a news report a few years ago where a bunch of people were basically saying exactly that.

    TheBaldFox ,
    @TheBaldFox@lemmy.ml avatar

    The faster we ruin the earth the closer we get to the apocalypse the sooner Christ returns and Yadda Yadda Yadda or some shit.

    usernamesaredifficul ,

    “the earth was always meant to be temporary” is one I heard. Which for one thing rests on some heavy assumptions but also it is murder according the Jesus to be ok with your actions killing some farmer in Angola

    Alaskaball ,
    @Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

    Same way they can look at the metaphor for capitalists are destined for hell a la stuffing a camel through the eye of a needle unharmed - by choosing to interpret the eye of a needle to actually mean a gate arch or some shit.

    Instead of changing yourself to follow the beliefs in the word of your God, you change your God’s words to follow your beliefs.

    Sotuanduso ,

    Have you seen the episode of Avatar where the fortune teller said the village wouldn’t be destroyed by the volcano?

    We believe the world won’t be destroyed by mankind.

    Rhaedas ,
    @Rhaedas@kbin.social avatar

    Unfortunately a literal reading of Genesis 1:28 says to subdue the Earth (master or control in a few translations, and use all the resources for God's purpose in one). Those trying to paint a nicer picture might change it to being stewards of the planet (which is what I always heard as a kid), but that's not what's there. To be fair, it was written in a time where the world seemed endless and humans couldn't possibly destroy everything, a mindset that lasts to this very day. Even less than a century ago we were okay with dumping stuff into the water or burying it, or burning things because it was a huge world and the smoke disappeared into the sky.

    pthaloblue ,

    The really wild one is the Ann Coulter reading:

    “God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, “Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.”

    (Referring to Dominionism and Genesis 1:28, on Hannity & Colmes, 20 June 2001)

    Zuzak ,

    Well, on the one hand, you have an old book you might read all the way through once (but probably not) that says to be responsible stewards of the earth. But on the other hand, you have people on the TV every night telling you to support whatever makes corporations the most money.

    Old ideas can have value but it’s hard to compete with new ideas when those new ideas have a lot more money and can be crafted to appeal to a specific audience (regardless of what’s true).

    NotYourSocialWorker ,

    Considering that the part about being stewards of god’s creation is mentioned in the first chapter of the bible it’s a feat to have missed it. But here we are

    boCash ,
    @boCash@lemmy.blugatch.tube avatar

    Because that would require a modicum of critical reasoning and the willingness to occasionally and ever-so-slightly sacrifice for the benefit of others.

    Just remember that the group you’re describing are conservatives first and foremost. Christianity and the GOP are just their current excuses for their selfishness.

    some_guy ,

    You’re right. They have their bubble. Nothing else matters.

    Mac ,

    And a lot of anti-environmentalists are hunters and farmers. Like… ¿¿¿What???

    Sotuanduso ,

    Y’all have that as an emoji on Hexbear?

    HornyOnMain ,
    @HornyOnMain@hexbear.net avatar

    Yeah we have a ton of really obscure ones that are barely ever used because we’ve been adding to the list for the last three years, iirc we had around ~1150 before federation but since then we’ve added a load more so idk how many we’ve got now

    Ram_The_Manparts ,
    @Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net avatar

    iirc we had around ~1150 before federation but since then we’ve added a load more so idk how many we’ve got now

    Probably like…

    1984

    che-smile

    EndMilkInCrisps ,

    We love to interpret Jesus as an proto-anarchist terrorist on hexbear.

    usernamesaredifficul ,

    yeah but if they actually read the Bible they would probably notice that they are exactly the same people as the pharisees

    NotYourSocialWorker ,

    Worse actually, for all their faults I still got the impression that the Pharisees at least tried keeping all the laws.

    Xanthobilly ,

    It’s sad really. This post was the final straw for me. I’ll be unsubscribing. I saw the same thing happen dankmemes. Post after post of politically charged, right leaning nonsense. My tinfoil hat says it’s intentional to kill Lemmy, and honestly it’s working.

    Cleverdawny OP ,

    …right leaning?

    Xanthobilly ,

    Yes, this post when interpreted as ironic, is making fun of socialism and CRT. Regardless it is leveraging oft used conservative boogeymen buzzwords for a joke. It dilutes the original use of the words, and whether or not intended, degrades their meaning. It’s a very common tactic of fascism and hard right actors. It’s exactly what Trump did when assuming the ‘fake news’ moniker and repurposing it to attack media. This entire site has been circling the drain for some time, and the downvotes just prove none of you value actual discussion.

    Alto ,
    @Alto@kbin.social avatar

    The point of the post couldn't have gone any further over your head if it had wings

    Xanthobilly ,

    If you read what I’m saying, the intent matters not. It’s the use sarcastically or not in a joking way that plays right into right leaning agenda. But please keep attacking me.

    tabarnaski ,

    The fact that it uses sarcasm and mentions CRT doesn’t automatically mean it’s right leaning. Left leaning people could find this meme funny.

    Xanthobilly ,

    Again, it’s their use in a joke that delivers the whole discussion around CRT into the shitter, enabling right wing agenda. They’re not out to win the argument, they’re out to muddy the waters.

    tabarnaski ,

    So by that logic, we shouldn’t make any political jokes anymore? This is getting awfully close to censorship.

    Xanthobilly ,

    I didn’t block you from making the joke. That’s censorship. I merely pointed out the problem in doing so and that I’m done with it. Take pepe, see how the right ran with that to the point it represents racism.

    tabarnaski ,

    I didn’t block you from making the joke. That’s censorship.

    I know, and that’s why I didn’t say it was actually censorship. Just really close.

    Xanthobilly ,

    Not close at all, but ok.

    JamesStallion ,

    Not at all really. I don’t see how this person having an (idiotic) opinion stifles/prevents/affects anyone’s speech in any way.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    I didn’t block you from making the joke. That’s censorship.

    No, you don’t have the power/ability to censor, so you’re doing the only thing you can, which is attempting to stifle speech that you (incorrectly) think is counter to your own beliefs, in true right-wing style.

    Congratulations! You’ve become the thing you say you’re fighting against!

    HopeOfTheGunblade ,
    @HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social avatar

    The discussion started in the shitter, it's never not been in the shitter. Did you think that Chris Rufo was making some high minded philosophical point when he wrote about making everything CRT as a weapon?

    Skoobie ,
    @Skoobie@lemmy.film avatar

    I mean, intent matters a little at least, right? Like, I prefer to use the term progressive when describing myself and I found this meme to be a firm chuckle and not problematic. It’s saying that the logic used by things like CRT is thematically identical to logic used in biblical texts, which many on the right would actually oppose politically and ideologically.

    So like, if the intent was to reframe CRT in a biblical light so as to show ethical inconsistency on the part of Republicans, and it works on a logical and a humourous level, what exactly is the problem?

    Enkers ,

    It’s saying that the logic used by things like CRT is thematically identical to logic used in biblical texts…

    I don’t think it’s even going that far. I interpreted it as the conservative throwing the term around glibly without any actual understanding of what it means, simply because they don’t like what is being said, and a perhaps a very tenuous connection.

    HopeOfTheGunblade ,
    @HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah. It was intentionally made into a boo phrase and thought terminating cliche. Chris Rufo has a lot to answer for, in poisoning the well of discourse in this country. Not that it wasn't already pretty terrible, but an ocean of piss is no excuse to dump barrels of cyanide.

    RedditWanderer ,

    The only thing playing into the right wing agenda in this post, is you.

    PeleSpirit ,

    I’m going to take your response in good faith and tell you that it’s making fun of right wing people who are against critical race theory by using what is probably their own religion of Christianity to do it. To have Moses say what they’re doing and how ridiculous it sounds.

    Xanthobilly ,

    I understand that. You’re the first one to trust I have a point. Trolling from either side serves right wing agendas. It degrades the discussion. I know this is a meme thread, but this thread has been nonstop political garbage for about a month.

    PeleSpirit ,

    Honestly, you may be right in that it serves right wing agendas but I have no idea since I’m not right wing. I do know they deserve to be made fun of regardless if they think it helps them or not. I feel that a lot of them are fascists, racists, trolls, etc. so it doesn’t really matter if we make fun of them because they’re pretty ingrained. I also don’t think it devalues CRT or makes anything normalized, we’re just making fun of hypocrites.

    Enkers ,

    I feel like you might be ignoring the purpose of satirical content. IMO, it serves two purposes: the first is to entertain and consolidate people who already agree with the message, the second is to raise cognitive dissonance in those that disagree with the message by raising awareness of hypocrisy.

    As someone who cut their teeth on 4chan and ended up harbouring some fairly bigoted views, political satire is a large part of why I eventually abandoned those views.

    To write it off as ineffective or even counterproductive seems to me to be a gross misunderstanding of its purpose.

    RedditWanderer ,

    The right wing won’t return you the favor, you’re giving them too much credit. Facism didn’t lose to kindness in WW2.

    Cleverdawny OP ,

    What are you on and where can I get some

    Xanthobilly ,

    The downvotes only validate I’m right that this site is in the shitter. You just assume because the message is liberal, it doesn’t play into right leaning agendas.

    Alto ,
    @Alto@kbin.social avatar

    "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong."

    tabarnaski ,

    The downvotes only validate I’m right

    I would like you to explain your reasoning on this.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    The downvotes only validate I’m right

    You’re not Galileo. To quote Carl Sagan:

    “They laughed at Gallileo. They also laughed at Bozo the clown.”

    hoot ,

    “I’m getting down voted so this site is terrible and everyone on it is an idiot. There is no chance that my position was interpreted incorrectly, I missed the point, or I am wrong - it’s obviously everyone else”.

    TheLowestStone ,
    @TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

    The downvotes only validate I’m right

    Now that’s some classic right wing cognitive dissonance.

    GarrulousBrevity ,

    I think you’re alienating your allies here. This is clearly intended to be left leaning, and you’re lumping OP with Trump and facists.

    Xanthobilly ,

    No. I’m saying OP is playing right into their hands, liberal or whatever they are.

    GarrulousBrevity ,

    Okay, so, I am reading what you’re saying, and I don’t really know how one could make a joke that isn’t, by your understanding, part of the conservative agenda.

    And if that’s what you think, I am curious why you’re looking at memes at all.

    Xanthobilly ,

    There’s a universe of thing’s worth joking about, but this post just serves political agendas, mostly right wing ones, and isn’t funny. CRT has become such a punching bag it’s lost all meaning. I’ve had the experience of my (very different) field of study becoming a political football, and the end result was the field suffering for years afterwards. Those setbacks are due to the right wing of political discourse choosing to meme the subject and make it political. The very act of targeting it was the main transgression, but subsequent meming on both sides only dragged things down further.

    GarrulousBrevity ,

    So, telling people to not try and be funny, even those you agree with, is definitely alienating your allies. I hear what you’re saying, but I have also seen parents losing their ever loving shit at PTA meetings… And to say that everyone must treat those ignorant displays with quiet respect, because CRT was mentioned… Seems a bit beyond the pale.

    Xanthobilly ,

    So I spoke up to try and explain to this group the pitfall of continuing the jokes on this particular subject. Likewise everyone should speak up at PTA meetings despite the flack. Not certain my work is being appreciated by the local memelords here.

    GarrulousBrevity , (edited )

    Well, some advice you didn’t ask for, and that I don’t always follow: it’s easier to start a conversation where it is, and direct people towards the productive conversation you want to have, than to start off by calling someone a villain for something they already said. You didn’t make your point easy to appreciate.

    I will say you’ve given me some food for thought, though.

    Xanthobilly ,

    Fair, and I certainly got people’s attention.

    Cabrio ,

    Yes, having an obvious mental handicap makes you stand out.

    Xanthobilly ,

    Having a minority opinion is no reason for being verbally abused. You’re out of line.

    Cabrio ,

    Yes, willfully ignorant opinions do tend to be in the minority. Your lack of comprehension and cognizance is an insult to reality. Stop inflicting your miasma of stupidity on others, you’re out of line.

    GarrulousBrevity ,

    My guy, this was a respectful conversation. Where the hell did that come from? You’re allowed to disagree with @Xanthobilly, but you’re way out of line.

    Cabrio ,

    Wilful ignorance and deliberate belligerence are not respectful, how dare you be so intellectually disingenuous. It may have been ‘polite’ but it was far from respectful.

    GarrulousBrevity , (edited )

    Can you point out the wilful ignorance or deliberate belligerence? Not including the guy who called the stuff he didn’t like to read a “miasma of stupidity”

    Cabrio ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/a31d8e42-0612-4b7e-86ed-5fe77f6174e4.jpeg

    GarrulousBrevity ,

    So, no. You’re just looking for someone to hear you scream. Cool.

    Cabrio ,

    Don’t conflate your ignorance with other people’s knowledge.

    Tumnus ,

    What’s wrong with you? Are you just a troll, or do you have an actual mental issue?

    BruceDoh ,

    And you’re a whiny baby loser.

    Primarily0617 ,

    just knowing that a website like The Onion exists musts be a perpetual nightmare for you

    Dick_Justice ,
    @Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

    To be honest it sounds like you don’t want people to mock conservatives, and that’s a tough ask when they make it so easy.

    Xanthobilly ,

    Sort of. I’m saying mocking only lowers the overall dialogue into the shitter, which doesn’t serve the purpose you think. It may make you feel morally superior, but does nothing to fix the issue, and arguably further entrenches the two sides.

    Dick_Justice ,
    @Dick_Justice@lemmy.world avatar

    Well and now you’re inching up on “both sides” territory, which just makes me wonder if your outrage is even genuine.

    Ecksell ,
    @Ecksell@lemmy.one avatar

    CRT

    Cathode Ray Tube?

    Xanthobilly ,

    Critical race theory, assuming you’re not a clown.

    lucidwielder ,

    just prove none of you value actual discussion.

    This is a meme sub. Would be like me getting upset at people for posting Linux related questions under the Linux sub vs some tech sub or Windows sub.

    There are proper places to have discussions and if you think a meme sub is one of them then you are going to have a bad time. Whether it plays into the hands of conservatives or not is another debate - but generally speaking I do not think making fun of their religion and views in this manner is something they can really weaponize. At some point they are likely to reach a tipping point where more and more people find them insufferable and start tuning them out. People can rarily keep using the same playbook to engage people over and over without them getting tired &/or fed up with it and them eventually.

    A good number of us caught on to their grift early on, but en masse, people are slow and dumb. Sadly they need time to catch up to the latest scams and new mediums.

    BarrelAgedBoredom ,

    Comrade, what the fuck are you talking about?

    RagingHungryPanda ,

    Oh honeeeeeyyyyy. Bless your heart.

    getynge ,

    I understand all the component words here and still have absolutely no understanding of how you can make your assertions so confidently this makes no sense.

    Wereduck ,

    I think the meme is fairly clearly making fun of American conservative/fascist discourse. Like the whole watering down of any semblance of a working definition of CRT when referenced by right wing pundits and moral panic board meeting parents, where right wing people call every call to be somewhat decent human beings “CRT” or “wokism”, and then have no actual working meaning for those words except as something that seems left wing and makes them uncomfortable.

    Norgur ,

    Is that reply missing an /s or is the poster missing the point?

    Alto ,
    @Alto@kbin.social avatar

    Pretty sure the guy just missed the point by a country mile

    NocturnalMorning ,

    What’s right leaning about this exactly?

    Moyer1666 ,

    Right leaning?? This is quite the opposite, but yeah political either way

    JJROKCZ ,

    A post saying racists are idiots is right-leaning? What? Lol

    danielton ,

    Well, Biden says racist stuff all the time, so… I guess?

    leraje ,
    @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar
    1. It’s not right leaning
    2. You unsubbing is not going to kill Lemmy
    Xanthobilly ,

    Lemmy was already dying, just look at plots of active users since the Reddit API flap. It’s going down not up. The sooner it does, the sooner a stronger decentralized platform, or newer version of Lemmy, can take it’s place. It’s current iteration is a rickety Reddit clone that suffers from rolling defederation.

    AyyLMAO , (edited )

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    HopeOfTheGunblade ,
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    Not necessarily. It might end up being another Voat.

    leraje ,
    @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    I didn’t claim Lemmy was or wasn’t dying. I said that you unsubbing wasn’t going to kill Lemmy.

    I really doubt Lemmy is dying though. In much the same way Mastodon isn’t dead merely because the Twitter exodus stopped. It’ll come and go in waves, just like Mastodon I expect. Or maybe it’ll go back to pre-Reddit numbers, when it still wasn’t dead.

    Sotuanduso ,

    If Lemmy dies I’m going back to Reddit. Don’t act like Lemmy dying is going to be a win for the fediverse.

    bane_killgrind ,

    Oh, yes please it’s absolutely dying. You should find somewhere new to post asap, this is not negotiable.

    Please leave.

    OutlierBlue ,
    1. Or disappoint any of us.
    kebabslob ,

    I wish my tinfoil hat could talk

    Sotuanduso ,

    It does, just not to you.

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    New copypasta dropped

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