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EthanolParty ,

I enjoyed even the first season of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia, but it really starts to pick up in Season 2 when they introduce Danny DeVito’s character. Well, it really starts to pick up when his character evolves into trash goblin mode in like Season 3/4. Well okay actually seasons 5/6/7 are where it gets REALLY good!

Vlyn ,

Not just for series, this is the same with games.

“The first 50 hours of Final Fantasy 14 suck, but the expansions afterwards are worth it!”

“The game starts at max level!”

I can’t stand it. And it’s not like the game magically gets much better, it just feels pretty okay for someone who just wasted months of their time on the bad parts. Of course you’ll enjoy mediocre parts later on after suffering through that crap.

A game has to start being fun ten minutes after the tutorial tops. Why play it otherwise?

bane_killgrind ,

For PvP centric games they absolutely get better at max level. You finally are at parity for numbers, and so skill plays a larger role.

DrQuint ,

I find PvP games with unlockables and grindables to be the opposite of a good time.

VikingHippie ,

Same. Even on the rare occasion where I’ll do a free to play MMORPG, I avoid PVP and otherwise dealing with other players as much as I can and of course eventually get sick of the grind and return to single player games

PixxlMan ,

This is exactly why I hate PvP games with unlockables. Just put everyone on a level playing field from the start, à la CSGO etc.

c0mbatbag3l ,
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“The game starts at max level!”

Diablo 4 fans be like

VikingHippie ,

2 and especially 3 too, though

yukichigai ,
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Ironically what got me into Diablo was my then-girlfriend now-spouse insisting that I go back to Diablo 1 with her and experience it for the story, and damn if that didn't hook me quick. Endgame D2 and D3 are great and all, but what makes something great even greater is having any sort of emotional connection to the story the game takes place in.

Also hot damn the ambiance of D1 is just something else.

Vlyn ,

Nah, Diablo 4 is much more fun when leveling from 1 to 70 or so. 70 - 100 is just doing the same things over and over with barely any rewards. It’s the other way around there, leveling is fun, endgame is dogshit.

Usually “game starts at max level” is used for MMOs like WoW. Where all the leveling is seen as annoying bullshit fetch quests and at max level you do dungeons and raids.

AngryCommieKender ,

That would not.apply at all to EvE Online. Levels? What levels? Game content? Only if you make it happen. Lol.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the game, but it certainly isn’t for everyone

Subverb ,

This is not true for D4 unless you’re trying to max level as fast as you can. I took my time and did most of the side quests, and I intend to go back and finish them all. The quests are interesting and engaging and voice acted all the way through.

D4 is quite a good leveling experience if you don’t play it zoom-zoom.

jimmux ,

Conversely, too many good games get bad reviews because of lacking endgame. So go play the next thing in your overflowing backlog. Some games do what they came for, and that’s fine.

It’s like giving a bad movie review because the concession stand was closed when you left the cinema.

nostalgicgamerz ,

My brother is 100% this…”ohhh you just have to get through the fetchquests of ARR and then the story is SOO good”

CoderKat ,

Ugh, ARR is horrible for that. It really is a good game after all that bullshit, but it doesn’t excuse the bullshit existing in the first place. Plus it’s so weird for Final Fantasy, a story driven RPG, to have so many low quality quests in the first place (both story and side quests). I can’t fault anyone not wanting to deal with that.

Best thing it has going for it is that the dungeons are really fun even when the story quests suck. But it’s been years since I’ve played and my knowledge may be stale. Someday I’ll go back, but no way I’ll start with a new character lol.

iByteABit ,

I’ve said that about FFXIV lol

It gets so much better though when Heavensward enters, it’s insanely good

Vlyn ,

The story or the gameplay? Because all I wanted to do was play a fun MMO, get items and do dungeons with other people. Instead I did quests like hit 3 rocks with your basic ability. Great! Hit 3 more rocks with the same ability. Done? Now run between 4 NPCs and talk with each of them. Great, now kill 8 enemies over there. Run back, talk with 2 more NPCs. Run through the city and interact with 8 lamp posts, the interaction takes several seconds each, because why not? …

I really tried to power through this absolute bullshit, but after a few hours I simply gave up. It only got worse, not better.

As you say Heavensward, I still hear that there is a ton of dumb quests then. Like the story is right at a critical point and they send you off on hours of fetch quests before you can continue?

iByteABit ,

It’s true that it’s very grindy with lots of fetch quests, but the actual story gets really good from then and on

Vlyn ,

I honestly don’t care about the story that much in games. A good story is nice, if the gameplay is there. If the only thing that is actually good about the game is the story… I’ll just read a book instead.

iByteABit ,

The grind is kind of an MMO thing, it’s not for everyone. Personally I enjoyed the gameplay while chilling with a friend and listening to music on the background

yukichigai ,
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Not to be that guy, but once you get past the first 35 levels of story in FFXIV (which is a lot faster than 50 hours) it really picks up quick. Like a lot.

Vlyn ,

The story or the gameplay? Because all I wanted to do was play a fun MMO, get items and do dungeons with other people. Instead I did quests like hit 3 rocks with your basic ability. Great! Hit 3 more rocks with the same ability. Done? Now run between 4 NPCs and talk with each of them. Great, now kill 8 enemies over there. Run back, talk with 2 more NPCs. Run through the city and interact with 8 lamp posts, the interaction takes several seconds each, because why not? …

I really tried to power through this absolute bullshit, but after a few hours I simply gave up. It only got worse, not better.

Pulptastic ,

Also the tutorial shouldn’t take an hour.

AngryCommieKender ,

Ehhh, Final Fantasy I’ll give a pass to on that sort of thing. They were telling good enough stories at least up till FF 10 that a two hour tutorial was ok, because the rest of the game was going to take you a minimum of 60 hours to complete. There are a few other RPGs that would get a similar pass. Baldur’s Gate would get the pass, but unless they changed something in 3 I expect less than a half hour tutorial in that game as well

GoumLeChat ,

That’s why I don’t play japanese rpgs despite liking them. You have to “play” for 10 to 15 hours before the game actually starts. And during this time it’s a whole lot of cinematic and dialogs with minimal gameplay. Sometimes it gets ridiculous. I can’t remember which game, but after few minutes of dialog you’d be walking for less than a minute to then have dialog again… I want to play and have fun damn it.

AngryCommieKender ,

I can’t remember which game, but after few minutes of dialog you’d be walking for less than a minute to then have dialog again… I want to play and have fun damn it.

Sounds suspiciously like Final Fantasy 13. I swear that game was basically an 8 hour FMV that was broken up every 5 minutes for the first 8 hours of the game.

averyfalken ,

Yeah no I can’t do games like that. I don’t have as much time for ma vidja games as I used to or as much as I would like these days I can’t afford to wait 50 hours for enjoyment to start. If it takes that dn long for a game to be fun its just bad game design

JimmyDean , (edited )

It’s like they suffer from “sunk cost fallacy” but with entertainment.

‘I’ve already watched 30 episodes of this show… But I can’t stop now. Not until it gets good!’

eestileib ,

I have a friend who grimly stuck it out through Wheel of Time long after he stopped enjoying it out of completionism.

Screw that.

VM_Abrantes ,
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The books or the godawful Amazon series?

eestileib ,

Books.

VM_Abrantes ,
@VM_Abrantes@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, I don't blame him. If the slog were one or two books, that would be forgivable, but four and the majority of Knife of Dreams is excessive.

Zoboomafoo ,
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I’m pretty sure I would never have fully read the series if I didn’t start it as a teen with too much time to spare

Domriso ,

For books, I get it. I feel a deep compulsion to finish any book I start, whether I like it or not.

For television shows? Nah, I'll stop right away if I get bored.

Sharkwellington ,

I recently watched a video called Why Do We Play Games We Hate? I feel it applies to other media as well.

The thing that stuck out to me was that some people don’t feel ready to decide whether or not they like something until they’ve totally completed the experience. They feel it isn’t fair to judge the partial product, so they’ll stick it out through the end, even if it’s terrible, just so they say without a doubt they did not like it.

I can understand the mentality, but sometimes you have to just jump ship.

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ImFresh3x ,

I kinda got sad when he got back to the main topic about games and stopped talking about the history of the concord.

Sharkwellington ,

He taught me a lesson about aviation engineering history I didn’t expect to learn, I’ll give him that.

stochasticity ,

I was told to stick it out one more season for each season of breaking bad. Watched the whole show and it never got better. I hated it.

UnRelatedBurner ,

how?

Vlyn ,

Seriously? Breaking Bad was awesome all things considered. But if you are not hooked by season 1 you won’t like it, period.

The middle part of the series was a drag, too many filler episodes. Strong start, strong end, but if you don’t like the start don’t even bother.

stochasticity ,

Yes, I should have stopped in the first season

Sigh_Bafanada ,

I consider Breaking Bad to be one of the most consistent shows. If you don’t enjoy the first few episodes, you’re unlikely to enjoy the rest of the show. I’m not sure what your friends were on about.

eestileib ,

Better Call Saul was all killer no filler baby.

Grandwolf319 ,

Literally the one show that got me hooked in the first episode.

ares35 ,
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so that's why streaming shows suck, they rarely make it that far.

rebelappliance ,

After GoT and all the cancelled shows on Netflix, Prime, etc. I refuse to get into a show until it has a few seasons under it’s belt. Nothing like getting invested in a show only for them to cancel it.

CaptDust ,

I’m the same way but it’s quite the catch 22 considering if people don’t want the first season or two it’s unlikely they’ll make another

Mothra ,

I avoid shows until they are finished completely

VikingHippie ,

I avoid shows until all the actors playing the main characters are dead. Got into Golden Girls about a year and a half ago, and I figure I’ll be watching Friends from a retirement home.

Tyfud ,

Unless…

VikingHippie ,

Are you offering your services as an assassin? Because a couple of them DO seem like they might have very annoying personalities…

Blamemeta ,

Fucking jojo

Ghost33313 ,
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But JoJo got good long before halfway through. For me it starts with Battle Tendency but for many it's good from Stardust Crusaders on. That leaves many more seasons and even more manga.
My advice for anyone getting into JoJo would probably be start with Stardust Crusaders, they explain why Dio is a big deal in the narrative and the mask isn't relevant anymore so none of it really matters.
You are right that the first season is a total drag and very skippable though.

graham1 ,
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Yeah I agree. However, Battle Tendency may be hard to jump into it somebody skipped part 1.

People like to bring up the first Jojo parts as an example of skippable content, but I also want to emphasize part 1 & part 2 almost have less episodes (26 combined) than half of part 3 (48 episodes), so it’s hardly skipping anything since there are 6 animated parts.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Every Star Trek ds9 and tng person ever

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

Guilty

Odo ,

And Enterprise. It improved so much in s3, but good luck getting through 50 episodes to get there.

Haus ,
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IT TAKES FAITH! FAITH OF THE HEART!

Hyperreality ,

Once you've heard that song 50 times, it really grows on you. Last episode and it made me a bit emotional.

cinda ,

on my first watch of tng i straight up just jumped to s3 or 4, you pick up what you need pretty quick and skip to the good part

BellaDonna ,

DS9 at least gets good towards the end of season one, and hits it’s stride in season 3. It never stops being good from there.

TNG I swear is mediocre until like season 5.

Hyperreality ,

I actually liked the first season of TNG.

Roundcat ,
@Roundcat@kbin.social avatar

Same here. I like the more OG feel the first and second season have, and some of the characters that are only there for those seasons. RIP Tasha Yar 😥

Doug ,

In all fairness that actress showed up fairly often for playing a dead character

DontRedditMyLemmy ,

Lower Decks has an episode poking fun at the constant revival of main characters… Love that show

The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
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Me too. It’s a fun watch, getting introduced to everything. It just had the poor luck of being the least polished season of one of the best shows ever made.

devfuuu ,

What is tng?

CrafterMeeple ,

Star Trek: The Next Generation

devfuuu ,

Thanks.

Dettweiler42 ,

Also, the episodes are an hour long each…

Zozano ,

And each season is 20 episodes

Roundcat ,
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I was sold the moment bug aliens took over Starfleet, and Picard and Riker blew Commander Remmik the fuck up!

InLikeClint ,
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All hail Avis

someguy3 ,

Just has to grow its beard.

DmMacniel ,

And Rikers Beard is glorious.

someguy3 ,

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