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JackGreenEarth , in I hate these icons

What do you mean, the new ones are still different shapes.

Vitaly , in Dad jokes
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Stands for a lot of profit

Vitaly , in Memes vs Reality
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Under communism everyone is poor. Under capitalism most are poor

Cowbee ,
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Under Communism poverty is erradicated or close to it. The floor is raised and the ceiling is lowered.

Soulg ,

And also a small group of people monopolize power and wealth to oppress those who didn’t

Alsephina ,

…You’re describing capitalism.

10_0 ,

Communism experdites the process of wealth centralization, because that’s what happens when you give all the resources to a single party, under communism the process takes less than 10 years, under capitalism it takes over 10 years, because you need to convince people to part with their money, under communism you have no choice, you own nothing and what you do own is the property of the party.

Cowbee ,
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10_0 ,

Left column isn’t labelled, no source is provided, Russian points on the graph are sparse when compared to the USA and France lines, there’s no heading explaining what the graph says. Please do better.

Cowbee ,
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Alsephina ,

For images that don’t list the source in themselves like these I like to put the source in the alt text like this

![https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/soviets-oligarchs-inequality-and-property-russia-1905-2016](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/65a34c1d-e49d-47b1-bf83-07c344b109d5.png)

Cowbee ,
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Oh, nice! Thanks!

Tlaloc_Temporal ,
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I’m usually quite particular about labelling axes, but this graph has both axes partially labled, and while the dates are easily inferred, the meaning of the left axis is in the footer, as is the general explanation.

10_0 ,

Also wasn’t 1995 when the USSR collapsed?

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

Late 1991, but yep, that’s when inequality skyrocketed, as it was illegally disbanded and the former state sliced up and sold for parts to the highest bidder against the wishes of the public at large, causing roughly 7 million deaths.

Alsephina , (edited )

Hmm?

Poverty rates are steadily decreasing in China...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

...under every income group.1
2.15
3.65
6.85
10
20

While homeownership rates have been steadily rising, reaching 90% in 2018
https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5c86f1b1-868f-498e-a242-b12178d430a9.png

Those are some bold claims to make with nothing to back it up, when in fact reality says otherwise.

10_0 ,

Technology and a booming capitalist economy do that, or well, a booming economy and leading tech at least ; )

Alsephina ,

A market economy under a socialist state, similar to what the USSR had under the NEP for its first 20 years.

ExotiqueMatter ,
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You’re confusing private property with personal property. While this is a very common mistake, you can’t claim to have an informed opinion about communism while still making it, it’s 101 level stuff.

Further, you are also making the other very common error of assuming the state is oppressive because it is like some kind of monolith somehow cut off from the rest of society as though the peoples staffing it weren’t as much part of society as everyone else, this is not the case, whether a state apparatus is oppressive and against whom it is oppressive is dictated by the class character of the state, a factor that is systematically neglected by the peoples using variations of “power always corrupt” truisms to “analyze” a state.

tl;dr: you’re knowledge of communism and communist theory and praxis is very surface level at best, go read some reading list from prolewiki’s library, To criticize something you need to know at least the basics of it first.

Cowbee ,
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Incorrect.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/d1478a59-0d3a-4b68-80e2-df8311d2e349.png

Wealth inequality was far lower in the USSR than the Tsarist system before it, the Capitalist system after it, and than western countries. Additionally, Soviet Democracy was extensive, with far more political participation than western countries have.

Read Blackshirts and Reds.

Alsephina ,
Cowbee ,
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Excellent addition, comrade.

stephen01king ,

I’ve heard lemmy.ml claim China is not communist, before. I guess they are communist only when it supports your argument.

Alsephina ,

I’m seeing /u/10_0 from lemmy.ml in this thread trying to argue against socialism, currently. I guess they are anticommunist only when… what was your point again?

Anyone claiming China isn’t socialist is grossly misinformed.

Cowbee ,
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Lemmy.ml isn’t like Lemmygrad or Hexbear, where you are required to be a Leftist, or accept Leftism and want to learn. Lemmy.ml is maintained by Marxist-Leninists and the ML references Marxism-Leninism, but non-Communists use it too.

stephen01king ,

Yeah, but that excuse is only used when people are criticising communist using China as an example, that’s why I consider China’s status as a communist nation an opinion that lemmy.ml always flip flops on.

And by what metric is China considered a communist nation?

Cowbee ,
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And by what metric is China considered a communist nation?

It’s headed by a Communist Party along the principles of Marxism-Leninism with the goal of using Socialism with Chinese Characteristics to oversee a Market Economy and build up their productive forces to achieve full socialization of the economy.

If you have an hour and genuinely want to know, read China Has Billionaires. It isn’t a fully socialized system, but it does use Central Planning extensively, and the Party is in control of the Bourgeoisie, not the other way around.

10_0 ,

Read a history book

Cowbee ,
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I have. Which ones do you recommend?

10_0 ,

Russian ones 😂😂

Cowbee , (edited )
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Any russian book? Like This Soviet World? Or does that not count because she was born in America?

10_0 ,

Will give it a read, my history knowledge is only broad and not specifically russian

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

You might learn something.

10_0 ,

I wouldn’t bother if I didn’t want to learn 😂

Alsephina ,

my history knowledge is only broad

And very shallow apparently…

10_0 ,

Yes, I’m not a history buff, its not been an interest of mine

xthexder ,
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Funny that you’re telling someone else to read a history book then, like you know what you’re talking about.

SlopppyEngineer , in I hate these icons

I’ll keep using my favorite icon pack instead, thank you very much

Martin2789 ,

which do you use ? i am looking for a good one

SlopppyEngineer ,

Poppin, Olympia, Cyber, Minima and/or Outline, depending on the mood, season and launcher. There isn’t much left on factory spec with my phone.

spicytuna62 ,
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I use Flat Circle. It’s not free, though.

massive_bereavement , in Where is my room

Ah, a lesser known Pink Floyd song.

webghost0101 ,

You mean this gives off a pink floyd vibe right?

This isn’t a reference to a really existing obscure song?

I am scared i have now lost my opportunity to shine with my obsession of obscure Pink Floyd tracks by not knowing what song you refer too.

virku ,

If it is an actual reference it is either incredibly obscure or I have missed something and would like to know what it references.

Either way I know what to listen to the next couple of days.

massive_bereavement ,

Yep, some of their songs are quite narrative, often talk about their experience, and maybe Pink Floyd just lives rent free in some part of my head so I just randomly associated it.

webghost0101 , (edited )

I can absolutely hear the bottom text as if it was a lyric from wish you were here.

Got any rare favorites?

I find myself quite drawn to the alternate tracks from around the time of ummagama these days. Some versions of the narrow way part III being a particular favorite.

There is also a live album post dark side where they play songs that appear to be proto-animals but have the music of wish you were here.

A great addition to any collection i dont think its on Spotify.

massive_bereavement ,

Same! I miss the fact most albums told a story and all songs had some continuity.

Viking_Hippie , in Flying a plane? Ez
Mwa , in I hate these icons
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i see the new icons wanna intergrate googles colors ngl

Akasazh , in I hate these icons
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I just stopped using most of them

FUsername ,

I stopped a time ago. Interestingly, the thing I miss most is maps. That sheer amount of user data paves the path for a fine traffic estimation.

Akasazh ,
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Maps is indeed the odd one out. I’m trying to switch to magic earth, but it’s not as good yet.

Hammocks4All , in I hate these icons

Plus the art they started using in gdrive. The art on its own is cool but within the Google ecosystem just feels like… what is it even… why… ugh I hate it.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/cc6bcbaa-8541-4f0c-8950-537ae11f46b1.jpeg

gregor OP ,

I am actually quite fond of this style, though this might be controversial

shadowedcross ,

Corporate Memphis. It’s an art style a lot of people hate, and I can understand why.

pyre ,

soulless corps trying to seem friendly, that’s why

ikidd ,
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I’ve recognized this style as a generic corpo art, but never had a name to put to it. Thanks for that.

Sanitized, pandering, and insincere, Wikipedia describes it perfectly.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah like in 50 years I can absolutely imagine people loving it as a style of a time. I recognize I like pop art far more than I would if I was in its target demographic. But also I don’t hate it, it’s just so everywhere and so soulless. It’s the style of “money please” in a time of great socioeconomic inequality. It’s art deco but demanding friendship and comfort rather than respect and awe. But more than anything it’s art for business people, and I just don’t care for business people.

KLISHDFSDF ,
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Corporate Memphis

Link for the lazy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Memphis

neonred ,

prevent body shaming by only showing obese/disfigured people so society accepts it as a healthy norm

webghost0101 , (edited )

Corporate memphis does incorporate a sort of identity vagueness.

Almost all human features, body, skincolor are in a uncanny valley. Non-personal enough to be general yet similar enough to be relatable to pretty much any theoretical demographic.

In reality it falls flat. Many people (non partisan) dislike it because of how artificial and shallow it feels.

What it is definitely not is a deep plot to change the social perception of checks note people with non idealistic body features.

Google has no economic incentive to improve your opinion of disabled people who are equally part of this group you appear to find non acceptable to exist in the workforce.

corsicanguppy ,

Google has no economic insensitive

“Economic incentive”, right?

webghost0101 ,

My english is self taught, i’ll take your word for it! (Pun intended)

captainlezbian ,

Ah in that case insensitive (in+sensitive) is a synonym to rude. Incentive is closer to reward.

bitjunkie ,

Slow down there, Dr. Gall…

mctoasterson , in Where is my room

POV you are walking down the street when you clip through the sidewalk and find yourself in the Backrooms.

Coreidan , in I'd buy that for a dollar.

The price is wrong, bitch

linkhidalgogato , in I hate these icons

Its one of those things u never think about as a person without disabilities, cuz i can tell the difference just fine, i guess they should have consulted someone with a vision impairment when considering stuff like this.

USNWoodwork , in Where is my room

In my experience 12 year olds are pretty impervious to temperature fluctuations. Little bastards dive into freezing water like it’s nothing and run around in the scorching sun, not even noticing that they sweat through all their clothes.

toynbee ,

When my toddler was much younger, they would take a bath in warm water, then get out in my well air conditioned house, shivering violently and happily declining any attempt to warm them up. We would always end up warming them up in the end, of course.

Nowadays they’re a bit older and will seek out the biggest pile of blankets they can find at any opportunity.

frezik ,

Tell that to the 12 year old gymnastics competitors I ran into once outside a venue when it was 40 degrees out. They have a very low body fat percentage.

That’s a sport that should probably die off, at least in anything like its current form, along with American Football.

wafflez ,

Why, due to saftey concerns?

frezik ,

Broadly, yes. They’re 12 year olds being pushed into unsafe diet and exercise plans, often with very high pressure coming from parents and coaches. The Olympic committee was right to raise the minimum competition age over the last few decades, but this shit still happens.

emergencyfood ,

being pushed into unsafe diet and exercise plans, often with very high pressure coming from parents and coaches

That’s true of any sport? I agree that sports should be more fun and less competitive, at least for children, but why single out gymnastics? At least there’s no contact like in wrestling or even football.

No_Support_8363 , in I hate these icons

To be honest the maps and the meets icons look better

kat_angstrom , in How are there so many of them

I still don’t know what ich_iel is and at this point I’m too afraid to ask

Vittelius ,

It’s the German version of me_irl. Stands for “Ich _ im echten Leben” and is a direct translation of the English

kat_angstrom ,

Aww, thanks! Consider me slightly more educated than when I awoke this morning :)

Vittelius ,

Happy to help

GregorGizeh ,

it is only me_irl in name though, it is a general meme / conversational community with the obnoxious (and over used to death) in joke that is zangendeutsch.

Samsy ,

“Zangendeutsch” means an aggressive way of removing the influence of english into the german language. But outside of ich_iel we write in english as everyone. Which is obviously a little bit weird, isn’t it?

GregorGizeh ,

What annoys me personally about it (to the point that i blocked the commonity) is that it is mandatory. That’s not humor, or funny, that is weird performative scripted humor. I often felt reminded of carnival speeches.

I’d also argue that it isnt very successful in clearing anglicisms from the german vernacular when it is all about making the most incorrect and cryptic literal translation imaginable to the point that nobody could understand unless they are well versed in those anglicisms.

Archer ,

They’re making English a linguistic dependency for German? lol

lugal ,

No, that’s wrong. Zangendeutsch is all about English influence and playfully literal translations even when there are better German words. So you need to translate it back to English and into German again to decode it and that’s the fun about it.

reinei ,

So is that the “Zange”? Because you need to go from the things you are holding (the information, in “German”) to the hinge (the literal English translation) and back down again (actual German translation) to understand (aka grasp it)‽

boomzilla ,

I’m not sure if I understood your deduction. The literal translation of “Zange” would be “tongs”, “pliers” or “pincer”. Hinges are the things that make doors swing and hold to a wall right?

Multiple source say the origin of the word isn’t documented but the best explanation they come up with is that pliers can be used to bend something into a different form.

My guess was it has its origin in the proverb “Das würde ich nicht mal mit der Kneifzange anfassen” which translates to “I wouldn’t even touch that with pliers” as in stuff you detest that much that you rather would stay away from it.

qevlarr ,
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Dutchie who speaks German here, I hadn’t heard of the word ‘Zangendeutsch’ before. I get what it means, but why ‘Zangen’? Does it come from tongs or does it have another meaning? Tongs-German makes no sense to me

PlexSheep ,

German here, no idea what it has to do with a Zange

boomzilla ,
PlexSheep ,

It’s not overused if its funny. And it is very funny

Slovene ,

Oh my god, you’re woke!

kat_angstrom ,

Whoops, guess I’m now the enemy of a hundred million Americans

My bad

A_Union_of_Kobolds ,

Omg I was reading it as “ich lel” not “ich iel” this whole time 😅 thanks

SARGE ,
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I’ve internally been saying “eesh eel”

… which now seems like calling it "me earl’

Zwiebel ,

It is pretty close on the pronunciation, except ch is not sh. Unless you’re speaking certain regional dialects :)

samus12345 ,
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The closest pronunciation you can get in English is probably eek.

SARGE ,
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I’ve only ever met a few native Germans in person, and understand just enough to get to the bathroom, so I don’t know if I just misheard, or they’re one of the few people who do say it that way.

I’ll take any native German’s word on their own language though! Lol or even anyone who’s studied.

Karyoplasma ,

I’m a German native who studied linguistics (ok, computational linguistics with a minor in phonetics and phonology), but I basically only speak my regional dialect well. I was visiting a friend in Berlin once and a stranger in a bar complimented me that I “speak good German for a foreigner”.

SARGE ,
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Hey that sounds like studying linguistics to me! ^Pun^ ^mildly^ ^intended.^

That’s gotta be a bit of a gut punch though…

Karyoplasma ,

I regarded it as a potential evidence for my unfounded and highly debateable hypothesis that the dialect we speak in the region is not in fact a dialect, but its own language.

30p87 ,
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It also incorporates c/memes, basically

errer ,

Bless you sir or madam, you know not how long I have suffered

lugal ,

It started as a German version of me_irl (hence the name “ich im echten Leben”) and developed a culture on its own including bad translations from English and other insiders

superkret ,

It’s mostly ramen, cows and trains now.

HerrVorragend ,
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“War’s schon immer.”

ours , (edited )

As in “ze motorboat hovercraft is full of iel”?

I_Clean_Here ,

Hovercraft, but yes

Manja ,

I blocked that both on Reddit and here at the very beginning, without knowing what iel means, the posts were mostly unsympathetic and irritating.

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