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AntiApple4life , in Whatchu got
complacent_jerboa , in Firefox is the only way.

wait, the steam browser is chromium? no way

fidodo ,

Basically every in app browser is.

squi ,

Was IE for the longest time

letsgocrazy ,

How the fuck has everyone so easily allowed so few tech companies to dominate?

OutlierBlue ,

That’s just late stage capitalism.

bmovement ,

Do you just keep that on the clipboard?

panicnow ,

Honestly my google auto-type keyboard suggests that any time I post.

Aux ,

No, that’s just people don’t want to pay for anything and expect everything to be free.

merc ,

Robert Bork:

He also became an influential antitrust scholar, arguing that consumers often benefited from corporate mergers and that antitrust law should focus on consumer welfare rather than on ensuring competition.

HawlSera ,

…What the fuck?

merc ,

Yeah, it’s fine if you drive all your competition out of business, as long as the consumer “isn’t harmed”^TM^ . But, of course, how are you going to prove that the consumer isn’t harmed?

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Have you tried developing your own web browser?

The Web has become so complex, you need a huge team of talented developers to keep up with it, and for that you need a lot of money.

Voli ,

How hard can’t it be just put scrum on GitHub and let it work from there

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Strange that nobody’s doing that, then. Especially since so many people want more competition for Google.

MrFagtron9000 ,

The harder and more complicated something is the bigger barrier to entry there is to competing against it.

When video games were simple and fit on a single floppy disk or tape - a single person could develop an entire commercially released game. John Romero could make Dangerous Dave in a week or two, by himself.

Now that games are like Grand Theft Auto V they require hundreds of millions of dollars to create with teams of hundreds of people over nearly a decade. The voice acting in motion capture alone cost many many times more than a game would cost to make in the '80s.

The same goes with web browsers. Chromium is open source and free, it works well, so why spend tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to make your own new thing?

What benefit did Microsoft get from spending all that money on EdgeHTML versus just using Chromium? None. That’s why they switched to Chromium.

Oh… so to answer your question no one is “allowing” a few tech companies to denominate, just the complexity and cost of creating new products leads to these natural monopolies sort of forming. You’re free to spend the tens of millions of dollars to make your own browser if you want to and break up this domination. I doubt you’ll do it you’ll probably just use Chromium.

dditty ,

And if you were to actually create an innovative or competing product, Google would just buy you out like Android, Waze, Nest, etc

Aux ,

Tech giants are buying everyone left and right because people don’t want to pay for these innovative products. Imagine paying a monthly subscription for Waze! Who would do that? Literally no one. Innovative products can’t exist without paying customers.

Phrodo_00 ,

Not on browsers, probably. It’s one of the areas where antitrust still has some echoes. They’ll probably pay you to stay afloat.

Aux ,

Software development is very expensive. And everyone just wants free stuff. Imagine the outcry if Firefox would drop revenue from Google search and switched to a subscription model a-la Adobe! People would literally lose their minds and call Mozilla Nazis.

exu ,

Chromium/Electron is just super easy to integrate. Afaik Mozilla wanted to make Firefox more easily embedable as well, but that project was killed.

Thisisforfun ,

Closest these days is an extension for Firefox that enable progressive web apps.

JebanuusPisusII ,

Not only the browser. The whole app was built with CEF (Chromium Embedded Framework) …valvesoftware.com/…/Chromium_Embedded_Framework

It used to be only the browser/store. Now it’s the whole app.

ChickenLadyLovesLife , in Pocket sand!

I prefer to bribe with full-size Snickers.

Feathercrown , in Whatchu got
TiredNerdDad , in No Adblock is a deal breaker.
@TiredNerdDad@lemmy.ml avatar

2023 is the year of self-implosions. Time to switch to opera

beckerist ,

Opera is chromium based. Try Firefox

Kbin_space_program ,

Opera is chromium based with ties to the damned CCP.

original_ish_name ,

Opera is spyware

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Opera won’t save you

DmMacniel ,

They’ve abandoned Presto a long long time ago.

Unaware7013 ,

"Chrome is a problem, better switch to chromium"

steeev ,

Well, actually … Ungoogled Chromium

Edit: formatting

Unaware7013 ,

Ungoogled or not, chromium is still a problem. It has become the defacto render engine, and Google is pulling the same shit as MS did with IE.

Benjameee ,
@Benjameee@snowstorm.online avatar

Some day someone is gonna have to explain this take to me.

Standards for the web are a good thing. Websites being slightly different to straight up breaking depending on what browser you use is an awful user experience.

I see nothing wrong with everyone defaulting to blink and v8. Makes the web better for everyone be it users or developers.

Chromium is open source! It feels like people’s blind hatred / paranoia of big tech makes people reject it on principle more than anything.

strepto ,
@strepto@kbin.social avatar

Standards are good. What's not good is that Google controls the standards.

Open source or not, Google currently has the ability to dictate web standards as they see fit.

Why? There are 2 reasons:

  • Chrome has a 63.55% marketshare (as of the time of this writing) of all web browser usage
  • Maintaining your own fork of Chromium or even your own separate browser engine (Like Firefox does) is extremely difficult.

There's a reason so many of these browsers just use Chromium. It's because Google is doing the Lion's share of the work. Modern web browsers are some of the most complicated pieces of software ever written. They are comparable in complexity to entire operating systems.

When Google makes a change to the Chromium project everyone follows suit, lest you fork it which leaves development and ensuring interoperability entirely up to you. The complexity of this task depends on how far you want to take your browser.

Even those who fork Chromium will pull changes made by Google to the original Chromium project because making and maintaining your own web browser is really, really difficult.

Stoneykins ,

They are trying to develope enough dependency on them that they could stop being open source and the majority of browsers and websites dependent on their development just fold and allow google to control the internet.

Big companies only let stuff be open source in order to rugpull it if and when it would allow them to be successfully anticompetitive.

Tartas1995 ,

Well it is really easy. Read this hyperbolic statement:

Is having a government good for a country? Yes. Then why don’t you want an unelected elite control your country?

Sounds stupid right?

The people like standards. People don’t like when google can define standards alone. Especially when they have at least tried and most people hated the idea. Remember google topics? The thing that google advertised as more privacy protecting while just opening you up more track you even better by giving you more identifying features?

Lastly google is an advertisement company, trying to shape the web in their favor when most people will agree that the web became very privacy invading. Like come on and you ask why people don’t like that google, an advertisement company, has the ability to just force a new web standard in a world where advertisement companies are invading their privacy?

Contend6248 ,

Well that’s the whole fun of 50 chromium forks, upstream which is chromium will fuck them up, they will make breaking changes just so that forks can finally not steer around it without putting heavy lifting in it.

Pfnic ,

If it had to be a chromium browser, I guess I’d try Vivaldi. I’m happy with Librewolf and Firefox though.

minikieff ,

Who knew the Titan was just the beginning?

nudnyekscentryk ,
@nudnyekscentryk@szmer.info avatar
Catweazle ,
@Catweazle@vivaldi.net avatar

@nudnyekscentryk @TiredNerdDad, the biggest problem of big commercial companies is the complete absence of scruples and ethics regarding the user.

xtrudrx ,

That would be either Firefox or LibreWolf then since all the others including Opera are Chromium based under the hood. Let’s support true Open Source.

Xylight , in You WILL use chrome, and you WILL watch the ads!
@Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev avatar

I hate google but can you stop posting the same shitty memes in different formats

jack55555 ,

Nice try google employee!

xusontha ,

my man literally the first four posts I see are just complaining about google adblock, and I keep seeing it over time yes we get it you don’t like ads and google is adding adblock. move to firefox/ublock (or no ublock if you want to support the content creators) and let it go imo, there aren’t even that many ads on youtube, I barely notice them normally cuz theres only one every 3 videos or so and it’s like 5 seconds long for a 20 min video (if there are more ads inside a video I’m pretty sure that usually means the creator put them there, not youtube)

TheAnonymouseJoker ,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Mainstream media promotes Chrome everywhere possible. The last bastion of promoting Firefox is FOSS community platforms. The fuck do you expect, us to stay quiet and “let it go”?

xusontha ,

Not what I’m saying I hate chrome too, I just get tired of seeing essentially the same post over and over

TheAnonymouseJoker , in Whatchu got
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar
dipshit , in lightning strike

electricity… uh… uh… finds a way.

sexy_peach , in You WILL use chrome, and you WILL watch the ads!

you will buy the useless crap. You will work extra hours to afford it.

JokeDeity ,

I’ve noticed that the average listed salaries on Indeed have gone down about 30% in the last 2 years, which is great because prices of damn near everything have gone up at least as much.

xusontha ,

well how else will the billionaires buy their thirtieth yacht with a docking spot for a smaller yacht?

Guy_Fieris_Hair , in No Adblock is a deal breaker.

It is sad, but through the events of the last few years (Reddit, Twitter, politics) companies have realized they can do whatever they want. While they will lose a significant portion of users, the mass majority will stay. The ones that leave are the ones they can’t abuse and they don’t want them anyway. Profit is better taking advantage of the complacent and losing the activists than the other way around.

Anywho, I will move to Firefox just like I moved to lemmy. Although I’m not sure moving to Firefox actually fixes anything other than giving Google less money. Now I just need to figure out how to have a phone without apple or Google getting a peice.

newproph ,

google pixel 5 bought used, unlock the bootloader and flash it with grapheneOS. download Firefox with AdBlock and use fdroid and aurora store (found on fdroid) for apps.

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

Does it run all the android apps? Like, the one off apps for like my fridge, security cameras etc…?

SIGSEGV ,

No offense, but wtf does someone need an app for their fridge?

SomeBoyo ,

It’s obviously to know what your groceries are doing, while you aren’t looking.

unsignedint ,

Like Night at the Museum but for a refrigerator. There’s a movie in there somewhere.

Radioactrev ,

Sausage party was that movie. And yes, it was as bad as it sounds.

unsignedint ,

Lol, should’ve guessed…

Resistentialism ,

To be fair, the only reason I can see for having a smart fridge is , if you’re at the shops or at work, and you need to check if you need anything, you can just use that.

But, like, I can’t see any other purpose. And even that one is instantly voided by using that magical little thing, and making yourself a list.

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

I was just using it as an example because I just figured it out on my fridge (it’s useless). I was just trying to figure out if I would be going backwards 10 years if I switched, that was just the first thing that came to mind as an example.

SIGSEGV ,

No, you do you. I just don’t understand the engineers’ motivation for creating an IoT fridge.

From the creators of the IoT fridge comes the first IoT toilet, complete with a bowl camera and mic that stares up your ass and notifies your family when the bathroom is in use and whose taking a crap. You can even review your past shits in 4k! 😛

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

I could maybe see some uses for a fridge on wifi. The only useful things it does is notify me if the temp rises beyond a point or if the door is left open for a really long time. As far as the temp rising without the door open the only cause is either the fridge failed ( It better fucking not) or the power went out. If the power goes out, so does my router so…

SIGSEGV ,

That is actually somewhat useful. I don’t know if that use-case is worth it to me, personally, to have a potentially insecure device on my home network, but I suppose you could give it its own network and write decent firewall rules to protect your other gear.

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

Never really thought about that. Hmm. I mean, it’s GE, a somewhat reputable company, but apparently they were just bought out by a company in China. But it goes through my network, communicates with a cloud service, who communicates with the app on my phone. It would seem possible that whoever runs that cloud service has the ability to do whatever they want in my network through my fridge.

I run a raspberry pi for some automation in my house and use tailscale as a VPN so I can access it as a server when I’m not home. As long as I can trust tailscale, it is encrypted straight from the raspberry pi to my phone. There is no middle man. But having that cloud service for the fridge app is something I need to research.

Blimp7990 ,

to ask alexa to buy more milk, duh

its like you dont even 2023

ruination ,

You can get yourself sandboxed Google Play Services and everything should work fine. Personally, I have a separate profile for apps that need it.

Blimp7990 ,

i mean, they will run. the question is if the app developers hate you.

and since for the most part app developers care about having you as a user so they can sell your personality to advertisers, what i actually mean by “if the app developers hate you” is “if the app is a bank”.

Many banking apps will work on secure roms like calyx/graphene. Techlore set up a submittal system here you can check: plexus.techlore.tech

As a concrete example, it indicates if the app works without google spyware at all vs if it works with the microg spyware simulation service, and indicates my former bank chase has support for migrog but not totally-google-free operation.

However, sadly (and I assume because the head dev of graphene has clear mental disorders and took a massive dump all over techlore for months at a time a couple summers back), somehow the play services question doesnt get answered on the techlore site. For that, you have to go to a different site: privsec.dev/…/banking-applications-compatibility-…

newproph ,

sorry ik it’s months later. yes, things work for the most part. anything that doesn’t I just enable exploit protection compatibility mode for and it works no problem then. you can even just straight up install Google play as a normal app without admin privileges.

TwoGems ,

Get an android phone that you can root with an OS.

sounddrill ,

I’m running a bacon right now!

I’ll soon upgrade to an oxygen(mi max 2) when mi unlock allows me to :(

HawlSera ,

What really has me paranoid is all the ones suddenly deciding to power trip and give out bans over nothing. We need to create a safe place on the web where the corporations can’t get to us.

nasi_goreng ,
@nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip avatar

TikTok already did this in Indonesia.

They remove any videos that being critical towards TikTok. Especially, they’re trying to flood Indonesian market with cheap Chinese goods via TikTok Shop.

yoz ,

Donate to Pinephone

seitanic ,
@seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Wouldn’t it be better to just buy a Pinephone?

hermit3 ,

GrapheneOS. Don’t use Firefox on Android

Blimp7990 ,

GrapheneOS is a rom and firefox is a browser

You mean: “use vanadium, which is only available if you have a pixel and the technical skills and can-do to install a thirdparty rom”

hermit3 ,

Security on Firefox for Android is a significant concern.

Blimp7990 ,

not necessarily relevant to my message, but ok. can you provide a list of specific issues or CVEs?

Resonosity ,

Fairphone 4 from certain vendors comes preloaded with e/OS which is like a deGoogled Android. Might work for people looking to move away from Google. I’m considering it myself for my next phone.

plumbercraic , in Whatchu got
@plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
Gormadt , in The Adblockalypse is coming
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Firefox FTW

UBlock Origin is fire

canni , in Whatchu got
Classy ,

Good night

canni ,

Night

TheGuyTM3 , in Whatchu got
@TheGuyTM3@lemmy.ml avatar
Spudwart , in Will it be a never ending war?

It’s the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny

DmMacniel ,

Good Bad guys, Bad guys and explosions; as far’s the eye can see.

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