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Trail ,

There is no software that is not in AUR. I use arch, BTW.

Trail ,

But yeah, sometimes I just compile from source, if needed.

SorryQuick ,

That’s exactly what the vast majority of AUR packages do already? You can also apply modifications to the compilation process if needed.

ulterno , (edited )
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

Gatekeeping the word “software” here?
Here’s something not in the AUR. Tested on arch

cm0002 ,

Clearly we need an Arch version of rule 34 and rule 35

Rule 34a: If linux software exists, it’s in the AUR. No exceptions.

Rule 35a: If linux software is not in the AUR, it will be made available in the AUR.

ulterno , (edited )
@ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

I don’t intend on pushing that one to the AUR. It’s not worth it.
Maybe I’ll make an AppImage at most.

I don’t know any formal requirements for it being on AUR, but I just feel like this one does not fit there.

cm0002 ,

Sorry, I’ve already posted the new internet rules and they took immediate effect, I’ll have to report this incident to…the council.

user1234 ,

Someone will put the AppImage in AUR

possiblylinux127 ,

This is such a weird gatekeeper take

cm0002 ,

Its a joke lol, why are you so serious all the time

InverseParallax ,

youtu.be/V1mOWypIFRM

puppycat ,

i use arch based btw (I love my Manjaro and it’s AUR support) :>

hperrin ,

My software, QuickDAV, is not in the AUR. It’s open source, and I release it only as an AppImage, because I am lazy.

folkrav ,

I guess we should have added the word “notable”

I’m terribly sorry, you left the door wide open ;)

I’m curious, what makes AppImage a good choice for the lazy developer? Is it easier to create?

hperrin ,

Ouch. xD

It’s super easy to create. And you distribute it on your own, so it’s basically like an installer exe on Windows. In my mind it’s one step above only offering source code.

oldfart ,

There’s so much random, useful software distributed only as appimages. But not notable enough for packaging fanboys.

Diplomjodler3 ,

If you don’t compile from source, do you even Linux?

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

AUR changed my life

possiblylinux127 ,

Did someone’s script wipe out your tax returns?

299792458ms OP ,

Linux From Scratch user detected

Damage ,

Or Slackware

InverseParallax ,

Or gentoo.

Diplomjodler3 ,

Ah … yeah … totally. I would never use some filthy peasant distro like Mint. No sir! Never never ever!

cley_faye ,

Native package manager > Native binaries > AppImage > Flatpak.

Yes, snap isn’t even on the scale.

possiblylinux127 ,

App images are a very Windows way to do things. They bundle everything so they are big

Samueru , (edited )

Isn’t the gnome runtime alone 2GiB? You know how many appimages that is?

Not to mention you are unlikely to only use one runtime.

Kusimulkku ,

Then again, loads of apps share that runtime. And if other runtimes have same stuff as that GNOME runtime, the shared parts are on your disk only once. It’s pretty smart in how it works.

Samueru ,

I tested installing some web browers, kdenlive, yuzu and libreoffice and without knowing I ended up with 3 different runtimes and the total storage usage (with deduplication) was 4.79 GIB.

Meanwhile with 33 appimages that I have (which includes same flatpak apps I mentioned) are using 2.2 GiB.

It doesn’t matter if they share if in the end they end up using several times more storage than the appimage equivalent.

oldfart ,

Ran out of space on a 30GB partition when trying around 10 smallish programs as flatpaks. Runtimes are shared in theory but not in practice.

InverseParallax ,

They are windows, but the linux version of dll-hell across distros and distro versions makes windows dll hell look quaint.

If someone had addressed that better it would be one thing, but binary interoperability is infinitely broken, so app image is actually an improvement.

Kusimulkku ,

Not a fan of AppImages myself. For an universal format it has surprising amount of issues with different distros, in my experience. And the whole Windows style “go to a website, download the AppImage, if you want to update it, go to the web page again and download it again” is one thing I wanted to get away from. At least they don’t come with install wizards, that clicking through menus thing was a pain.

For one off stuff I run once and never need again, AppImage is alright. But not being built-in with sandboxing, repos, all that stuff, it just seems like a step back.

KevinNoodle ,

I ran into the same issues, mentally, when trying out AppImages for the first time - but my attitude changed once I found and started using this tool: github.com/ivan-hc/AM

corsicanguppy ,

And the last three aren’t even an option in the enterprise unless your CTO is 24.

skulblaka ,
@skulblaka@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m a technically savvy but new to Linux user who installed Mint as my primary OS about a month ago. So far I’ve used Flatpaks and AppImages without any issue and haven’t come across snaps. Would you explain the differences and why I would care about one over another?

KevinNoodle ,

At the end of the day, they’re just different ways of reaching the same goal: universal packages for Linux. I personally use them interchangeably depending on the application and use case.

There are some packages that definitely work better and are intended to be used and installed via your native package manager (if they rely on system libraries and whatnot). But using either a Flatpak or AppImage results in the same experience - in my experience. It’s a personal preference.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m currently on a atomic distro, so how I get my software from favorite to least favorite is this:

  1. Flatpak
  2. Appimage
  3. Fedora distrobox
  4. rpm-ostree
wonderfulvoltaire ,
@wonderfulvoltaire@lemmy.world avatar

os-tree is slow as molasses

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

It is. I also wonder if there was a model that accomplishes the same thing but with less image copying.

Like, make snapshots every day, but manual installs are not snapshotted but still tracked with ostree. So you can revert them, display them transparently etc.

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

As it should be, don’t do that.

Doctor, when I do this it hurts…

Also, you’re creating a disk image…

GravitySpoiled ,

Have you met nix?

possiblylinux127 ,

Nix is cool but also incredibly painful

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Appimages are crap too, but at least there is progress with AppMan, repos and that sandboxing solution.

Snaps are only sandboxed with Apparmor and snapd only allows a single repo (which contained malware multiple times) so get the hell off my lawn XD

possiblylinux127 ,

Just use flatpak. It runs and installs local but still has the benefits of a package manager

boredsquirrel ,
@boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net avatar

Yup.

PlexSheep ,

curl

Nomecks ,

|sudo bash

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

very smart much secure

Kusimulkku ,

I don’t remember what program it was, the dev explained it wasn’t available as flatpak because flatpaks are unsafe or something. Then the installation guide went “well anyway here’s curl | sudo bash.” Like, lmao. Talk about bad security practices.

Moah ,
@Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Download the sources and build it, like Kernighan & Richie intended.

HouseWolf ,

AUR or flatpak.

Honestly the longer I spend daily driving Linux the more I enjoy using flatpaks…

aesthelete ,

I hate fucking snap. It might be enough to make me switch distros if Ubuntu keeps up with it (which I am sure they intend to).

The continual “you have new snaps” or whatever it was message every time I’m just trying to have a web browser open made me eventually figure out how to install firefox for real on all of my computers.

InverseParallax ,

Try debian, they improved so much over the past decade, they’re a better Ubuntu than Ubuntu now without any bullshit.

chronicledmonocle ,

What do you mean “improved”? Ubuntu is based on Debian.

InverseParallax ,

Make a script to extract it to /opt/local and make a symlink.

You’ll end up using it so much and it’s an easier upgrade on your terms.

hperrin ,

The Firefox snap was the reason I left Ubuntu. (Or, the last straw, at least.) Fedora has been wonderful.

pmc ,

I try my hand at packaging it for my distro.

AllHailTheSheep ,

the hero we need

alsaaas ,
@alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

as it should be, nobody likes proprietary vendor-locked formats that get shoved down your throat

wesker ,
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Compile from source.

Hupf ,
@Hupf@feddit.org avatar

Every February, I emerge qtwebengine to keep us warm.

MajorHavoc , (edited )

Lol. It’s not the groundhog we should be watching, then?

LainTrain ,
  1. Compile from source
  2. Find alternative
  3. Deploy in VM/Docker

If I wanted snap, flatpak or appimages, I would use windows. Shared dependencies or death.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

But snaps do have shared dependencies to a degree. Also, do you use gentoo?

SexualPolytope ,
@SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

AUR. If it doesn’t exist on AUR (very unlikely, but happens something), I make a package for it.

On non-arch distros, I often use LURE.

9point6 ,

Wow a reference to those Mac Vs PC ads from like 15 years ago

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

They stopped that ad campaign about 15 years ago, and they started it closer to 20 years ago.

Jessica ,

I am fairly certain the original version of this meme has red shirt saying Linux and getting beat up

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