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aliteral ,

Kinda has a point…

Crashumbc ,

You sound like some guy screaming everyone should own a horse after the car became popular.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

No, what I’m screaming about is that every car owner should visit an airport at least once in their life.

Crashumbc ,

That doesn’t make sense, your advocating the opposite, you want people to work on 25 year old tech. For “reasons”.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

On the contrary, I am in favor of banning computers altogether.

HStone32 ,

I think that analogy oversimplifies according to the assumption that one is inherently better than the other. OP’s point here is that it isn’t all better at all.

I think a more accurate analogy would be that the OP is screaming that horse trails, ranches, and farms are being shut down because they don’t accommodate cars.

FlapJackFlapper ,

Reminds me of a funny story I heard Tom Petty once tell. Apparently, he had a buddy with a POS car with a crappy stereo, and Tom insisted that all his records had to be mixed and mastered not so that they sound great on the studio’s million dollar equipment but in his friend’s car.

Lorindol ,

I had the same exact approach back in the late 90’s. My friends had several band projects and when they were mixing their demos, I insisted that if the mixes sound good in a standard car stereo, they’ll sound good anywhere.

systemglitch ,

Mr. Petty is a wise man.

mPony ,

This is still a perfectly sound method.

Getting the music you made in your own DAW to sound good on your home speakers is almost easy. getting it to not suck on shitty speakers? that’s an art.

magikmw , (edited )

Then again my 2016 stock yaris had the best sound I ever heard anywhere.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s how my professors instructed me to mix. To make it sound as good on shitty speakers as possible and also sound good on expensive systems.

tfw_no_toiletpaper ,

Reminds me of the ass audio mixing in movies where it is only enjoyable in a 7.1 cinema or your rich friends home theater but not on your own setup

corsicanguppy ,

It seems we’ve lost sight of reality there.

As we don’t intend to attend much cinema any more, I hope they bring back essentially a Dolby Noise Switch for movies. I don’t want to sacrifice too much, but booming noise followed by what comes out as whispered dialogue really cheapens the experience.

I hope they can find a process that gives us back a sound track for the sub-17:7 sound system.

cmnybo ,

They could add more audio tracks for different systems. Blurays support multiple audio tracks and they are almost never full.

terminhell ,

I’ve always wanted to try putting something like a guitar compressor pedal in the audio chain just to normalize the peaks. My wife will find something to watch, but ends up spending half the time adjusting the volume, or just turning on subtitles.

cmnybo ,

A lot of media players have a compressor if you are watching ripped movies on an HTPC.

terminhell ,

I have a much simpler setup though. Just a ‘smart’ TV and a sound bar I paid about $200 for so nothing fancy.

Not actually looking for advice, just a thought experiment of quick, easy and cheap fixes.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Add 3db to the center channel.

glitchdx ,

Dynamic Range Compression. VLC player has it, possibly under a different name though. Set it up on my theater pc, and I almost don’t need subtitles anymore.

joe_cool ,

On Windows: www.fxsound.com (now free and open source)
On old Linux: PulseEffects
On new Linux: EasyEffects

Those really make your crappy speakers or headphones go the extra mile.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

By the way, I only threw that picture because I liked the background color. I didn’t read the text itself.

jpeps ,

Reminds me of the UK’s Government Digital Services, who want to digitise government processes but also have a responsibility to keep that service as accessible and streamlined as possible, so that even a homeless person using a £10 phone on a 2G data service still has an acceptable experience.

An example. Here they painstakingly remove JQuery (most modern frameworks are way too big) from the site and shave 32Kb off the site size.

roguetrick ,

That’s the most professional comment section I’ve ever fucking seen.

ameancow ,

Hasn’t been linked to reddit yet probably.

Getting away from reddit has shown me that there are unspoiled places in the digital world out there, communities of people who actually care about the topic and not performatism and internet attention.

mPony ,

a) don’t let in anyone who acts like petulant children b) give adults an outlet for occasional outbursts that would make them sound like petulant children

draughtcyclist ,

Website is amazingly responsive as well, seems to be working.

lolcatnip ,

At a certain point it makes more sense to subsidize better low-end hardware than to make every web site usable on a 20 year old flip phone. I’d argue that if saving 32 kB is considered a big win, you’re well past that point. Get that homeless guy a £50 phone and quit wasting the time of a bunch of engineers who make more than that in an hour.

uis ,

Get that homeless guy a home.

Also, if you are in a basement/mountains/middle of Siberia, waiting for 32 kB takes quite some time.

lolcatnip ,

I’m all for ending homelessness, but that’s really a different problem than we were discussing. I’m pretty confident jQuery isn’t stopping anyone from being housed.

Anyway, there’s no way you’re gonna convince me 32 kB is a lot of data. It’s just not. Even the slowest 3G connections can download that much in half a second. Just the text of this thread is probably more than 32 kB. If you can’t download that much data, you only technically have Internet service at all.

uis ,

Even the slowest 3G connections can download that much in half a second.

Even 3G is not always avaliable, even 3G sometimes slower than 2G.

32 KB here, 32 KB there and boom - you have bitbucket.

lolcatnip ,

At least in the US, the reason 3G isn’t available is that it has been phased out, as has 2G. You may as well complain about how slow it is to send data with smoke signals, because 4G is table stakes for an internet-capable device now.

uis , (edited )

US? US is wild place. A lot of people still on ADSL, but 2G and 3G equipment is thrown away and say “lol, you problem, buy new phone”. I won’t be surprised that there are a lot of places where internet is less stable than in a train going through tunnel under the mountain in the middle of Siberia. Which means no internet.

I wonder what happens to internet connection in rural areas of USSA, since you suddenly started talking about it.

In Europe(or at least in my part of Europe) there are places where mobile internet is overloaded like subway system and city center and places where mobile internet is very unstable like my house in suburban area and, agan, trains.

And, as I mentioned, bitbucket. It struggles to load even on average PC.

bluewing ,

Where I live even 4G isn’t all that reliable. Making a phone call is mostly impossible and a text message is hit or miss unless I’m in a town or along a major road, This is due to terrain and the general lack of towers. 4G is spotty at best and with many areas having no service at all. And I ain’t never going to live long enough to ever see 5G out here.

But, I would agree that while 32KB is pretty minor for an internet connection, things have a way of stacking. 32KB here, another extra 32KB there and pretty soon things can get ‘heavy’ to use.

uis ,

Also, engieneers already had tech debt of updating to new jQuery version, which can result in a lot of wierd bugs, so it was achiveing two goals at once.

And probably 50£ phone IS their target device.

lolcatnip ,

🙄

uis ,

Wow, nice. Sexcellent.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

You mean eggcellent?

uis ,

This is TF2 meme.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

This is T9 meme.

Aux ,

The issue with UK services is that they all are fucking random and plenty of sections don’t work. There are billions of logins, bugs and sometimes you just get redirected to some bloody nightmare portal from 1990-s. And EU citizens couldn’t log in into HMRC portal for years after Brexit, what a fucking joke! And all they do is spend time removing jQuery, good fucking job!

brbposting ,

Contentious in the comments!

HStone32 ,

I’m training to work in hardware currently. Its my hope that there at least, people still care about min-maxing power vs performance.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

It’s really hard.

HStone32 ,

Wasn’t expecting it to be easy. Think it will be much more rewarding though. Already has been thus far.

Edit: wait, that was a pun, wasn’t it?

Baggie ,

Any recommendations for a beginner or hobbiest? I’m going to assume it goes beyond writing more performant code

spiderplant ,

A lot of it is in the design stage tbf. If features/UI can be cut or simplified then it can make a big difference. Performant code is good and the tech stack you choose also matters.

HStone32 ,

I started with raspberry pi zero projects. Specifically projects that make use of various GPIO hats like cameras, displays, speakers, etc. At that level, things are still very abstract compared to bare-metal firmware, but you learn some of the basic principles of I/O. Next plan is to read up on circuit design, and start doing more projects with arduino-controlled breadboards.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

No, it was a palindrome.

bitwaba ,

My understanding is that hardware companies usually alternate generations: one for performance, one for power. It seems like this is the balance that makes the market happy.

huginn ,

Resources are just way cheaper than developers.

It’s a lot cheaper to have double the ram than it is to pay for someone to optimize your code.

And if you’re working with code that requires that serious of resource optimization you’ll invariably end up with low level code libraries that are hard to maintain.

… But fuck the Always on internet connection and DRM for sure.

rbn ,

If you consider only the RAM on the developers’ PCs maybe. If you count in thousands of customer PCs then optimizing the code outperforms hardware upgrades pretty fast. If because of a new Windows feature millions have to buy new hardware that’s pretty desastrous from a sustainability point of view.

vithigar ,

But that’s just more business!

huginn ,

Last time I checked - your personal computer wasn’t a company cost.

Until it is nothing changes - and to be totally frank the last thing I want is to be on a corporate machine at home.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

When I was last looking for a fully remote job, a lot of companies gave you a “technology allowance” every few years where they give you money to buy a computer/laptop. You could buy whatever you wanted but you had that fixed allowance. The computer belonged to you and you connected to their virtual desktops for work.

Honestly, I see more companies going in this direction. My work laptop has an i7 and 16GB of RAM. All I do is use Chrome.

huginn ,

It’d be nice to have that - yeah. My company issued me a laptop that only had 16gb of RAM to try and build Android projects.

Idk if you know Gradle builds but a multi module project regularly consumes 20+GB of ram during a build. Despite the cost difference being paid for in productivity gains within a month it took 6 months and a lot of fighting to get a 32gb laptop.

My builds immediately went from 8-15 minutes down to 1-4.

CosmicTurtle0 ,

I always felt that this is where cloud computing should be. If you’re not building all the time, then 32GB is overkill.

I know most editing and rendering of TV shows happen on someone’s computer and not in the cloud but wouldn’t it be more efficient to push the work to the cloud where you can create instances with a ton of RAM?

I have to believe this is a thing. If it isn’t, someone should take my idea and then give me a slice.

huginn ,

It’s how big orgs like Google do it, sure. Working there I had 192gb of ram on my cloudtop.

That’s not exactly reducing the total spend on dev ram though - quite the opposite. It’s getting more ram than you can fit in a device available to the devs.

But you can’t have it both ways: you can’t bitch and moan about “always on internet connections” and simultaneously push for an always on internet connected IDE to do your builds.

I want to be able to work offline whenever I need to. That’s not possible if my resource starved terminal requires an Internet connection to run.

Ram is dirt cheap and only getting cheaper.

bufalo1973 ,
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

“Use cloud if available”?

Ardyssian ,

Alternatively they could just use Windows VDI and give you a card + card reader that allows Remote Desktop Connection to avoid this hardware cost, like what my company is doing. Sigh

cmnybo ,

If the job is fully remote, then the workers could be living on the other side of the country. Using remote desktop with 100ms of latency is not fun.

trollbearpig , (edited )

Or maybe you could actually read the comment you are replying to instead of being so confrontational? They are literally making the same point you are making, except somehow you sound dismissive, like we just need to take it.

In case you missed it they were literally saying that the fact that the real cost of running software (like the AI recall bullshit) is externalized to consumers makes companies don’t give a shit about fixing this. Like literally the same you are saying. And this means that we all, as a society, are just wasting a fuck ton of resources. But capitalism is so eficient hahaha.

But come on man, you really think that the only option is for us to run corporate machines in our homes? I don’t know if I should feel sorry about your lack of imagination, or if you are trying to strawman us here. I’m going to assume lack of imagination, don’t assume malice and all that.

For example, that’s what simple legislation could do. For example, lets say I buy an cellphone/computer, then buy an app/program for that device, and the device has the required specifications to run the software. The company that sold me that software should be obligated by law to give me a version of the software that runs in my machine forever. This is not a lot to ask for, this is literally how software worked before the internet.

But now, behind the cover of security and convenience, this is all out of the window. Each new windows/macos/ios/android/adobe/fucking anything update asks for more and more hardware and little to no meaningful new functionality. So we need to keep upgrading and upgrading, and spending and spending.

But this is not a given, we can do better with very little sacrifices.

kibiz0r ,

As a developer, my default definition of “slow” is whether it’s slow on my machine. Not ideal, but chimp brain do chimp brain things. My eyes see my own screen all day, not yours.

2xsaiko ,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

You can also build a chair out of shitty plywood that falls apart when someone who weighs a bit more sits on it, instead of quality cut wood. I mean, fine if you want to make a bad product but then you’re making a bad product.

huginn ,

Resource optimization has nothing to do with product quality. Really good experiences can be done with shitty resource consumption. Really bad experiences can be blisteringly fast in optimization.

The reason programmers work in increasingly abstract languages is to do more with less effort at the cost of less efficient resource utilization.

Rollercoaster Tycoon was ASM. Slay the Spire was Java. They’re both excellent games.

2xsaiko ,
@2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Yeah, I don’t really have a problem with games except for the stuff added on purpose just to make the user experience worse like DRM. I was more thinking about trends like using Electron for desktop development.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

I love the good old games on ASM.

mPony ,

It’s a lot cheaper to have double the ram

yeah a lot cheaper to force someone else to buy double the RAM. No thanks.

huginn ,

Companies don’t pay for your 2x RAM and it doesn’t slow down their user acquisition so they don’t care.

jaybone ,

lol pay for someone. If it’s your code, you are that someone.

huginn ,

Companies own the code you write.

It’s not your code if you’re working for a corp - it’s theirs.

jaybone ,

If someone else is paying you, you can write sloppy code. Got it.

huginn ,

Psychopath

Just because you don’t own something doesn’t mean you should trash it.

First you insist that companies don’t own the code then you say if you don’t own it you don’t have to care.

God I hope I never work with an idiot like you.

jaybone ,

I don’t think I’m saying either of those things. I’m saying the opposite actually.

You seem to be suggesting that even though you are responsible for writing code, the company should hire someone else to optimize it for you.

huginn ,

Resources are just way cheaper than developers.

It’s a lot cheaper to have double the ram than it is to pay for someone to optimize your code.

I don’t see where you’re reading that idea.

It’s a lot cheaper to double the ram ergo you do not have to pay someone to optimize your code.

Where are you getting this bizarre inverse from?

jaybone ,

My point is, developers should be writing optimized code in the first place.

11111one11111 ,

In 1000 years this meme/tweet/post will be what my entire generation’s existence will be known for. Noone will remember the politics, the disasters, the geopolitical events good or bad, they will remember our entire world and existence ad the only time that technology advancement was driven by the big tech mafia trying to see how far it can get it’s dick in your digital footprint.

It’s the new cops v robbers or bootleggers v prohibition race. Our tech is getting faster to out run the corporate fuckin maleare but the faster we go the more they stuff in so to the avg user they’re ended with paying $6k for a GPU/cpu combo that runs at the same efficiency as my school library’s c9mputer did running ms-dos running Oregon Trail in 1995. You are so confined by only having access to functions with massive fuckiing app buttons that even logging in as a guest user req you to memorize every CLI ever made.

It’s become my defining “I don’t want to live in this world anymore”

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

You’re provoking my alcoholism. I reread your comment three times and here I am on my way to the liquor shop.

Steak ,

Hey I know that guy he’s me

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

No, it wasn’t me.

Ugurcan ,

Stop using JS/Node for even brewing your coffee and see this problem resolves itself.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

Spring 5 has WebFlux, which runs on top of Netty. This is usually how I heat my home.

mariusafa ,

This is the way. Most of the games today run as shit because people doesn’t know or care about computer resources management.

Cowbee ,
@Cowbee@lemmy.ml avatar

We need more shorter games, made by happier devs paid more to work fewer hours, with worse graphics.

lord_admiral OP ,
@lord_admiral@lemmy.world avatar

I need a glass of whiskey.

SnipingNinja ,

Don’t we all, though I’m not opposed to any good liquor

Aux ,

Steam is full of shorter games with worse graphics made by indy devs. Guess what? No one gives a shit! Because no one needs crappy games from 1980-s.

dh34d ,

The indie boomer shooter scene is exploding, actually

Aux ,

This is data from 2020 statista.com/…/steam-indie-game-revenue-genre/ but I believe it’s still pretty relevant.

In short, indie games are the games no one is playing. A tiny fraction of indies bring more than $200k, while AA and AAA bring in millions and hundreds of millions.

The idea that we need shitty games with piss poor graphics is just plain wrong. What we need are high res games to enjoy 4K experiences.

yistdaj ,

I think this is a false dichotomy and an over-simplistic view of the game industry. Remember, there are far more indie games than AAA, so of course they’re going to earn less, there are more to choose from. Plus, if an indie game does too well, it often stops being indie. Most of the money for AAA games is from the same few people paying thousands of dollars in many small purchases too.

Anecdotally, most people’s favourite games are, or at least started off as indie games. However, most people’s least favourite are going to be indie as well. I think the thing with indie games is that they vary a lot, often exploring things that many publishers simply aren’t willing to. This allows them to find and fill a niche perfectly that a publisher can never fill. The main thing is that people see this and start making their own indie games, leading to market saturation pretty quickly.

Plus, the vast majority of people still don’t have 4K monitors. It may be the future, but you seem to think that’s where we are now when we just aren’t.

Aux ,

The topic is about low end indie games specifically. Thus games, which started as indie, like Valheim or No Man’s Sky don’t fit the bill. The point is that no one gives a shit about low end games apart from a few niche fans. Everyone likes high end looking games with loads of stuff to do in them.

yistdaj ,

I quite like many games with “poor” graphics. Perhaps not exclusively, but you’re seriously missing out if you only go for realistic-looking or detailed games. Give a few of those indie games a try, you might be surprised.

Edit: Oh, and terminal games are cool! Usually not very performant though.

Aux ,

Nah, sorry, I’m not playing pixelated crap on my dual screen 4K set up. That was cool back in the 1990-s on my Sega Mega Drive, but I outgrew that a long time ago. Fuck, I’m old…

menemen , (edited )
@menemen@lemmy.world avatar

Some of them are really succesful. Many people care. Others don’t.

Here the current Steam charts. Many indie games, some few with really low specs. Banana only needs 30MB RAM. Seems to be a great game. Hostly now, why are 50k people playing that “game” currently?

But back on topic: Yes, AAA games are more succesfull and earn much more money, but claiming “no one cares about indie” is stupid, when so many people play games like Rust, Stardew Valley, Prison Architect, Terraria, RimWorld, Valheim, The Forest, …

Aux ,

Games like Valheim and Rust are not some pixel art games which will run on a 2GB system with an integrated GPU, they’re pretty much AA games with an AA level publisher behind them. Yes, there are some real exceptions, like Stardew Valley, but you can count them on your fingers. They don’t make even a 1% of Steam catalogue. Thus my point still stands - no one cares about low end games.

Timecircleline ,

Even if they don’t make up 1% of Steam’s catalogue (though I doubt that figure), they have had real impact.

It’s ok to not like them personally, but to say no one cares is disingenuous. Balatro doesn’t require much in terms of hardware but is having a real moment right now. Stardew Valley has been killing it for 8 years. People have thousands of hours in Rimworld.

Indie games are also great for community and modders.

Aux ,

Sorry, but no.

SuperSpruce ,

I make sure my own web game can run smoothly on crappy hardware. It runs well on my gaming laptop downclocked to 400MHz with a 4x slowdown set by Chrome. It also loads in a couple seconds with a typical crappy Internet connection of 200kbps and >10% packet loss. However, it doesn’t run smoothly on my Snapdragon 425 phone or my old Core 2 Duo laptop. Is this my game or just browser overhead?

vox ,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

that’s why I’ve been doing most of my gamedev stuff on an old craptop from 2016.
performance issues become apparent immediately

rdri ,

Yeah, screw CEF, Electron, and webdevs who can’t live without those.

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