Linux native for me was always somewhat problematic in the past. Frankly if someone tells you otherwise they’re lying. Proton makes the process simple, click install and play, that’s it, and that’s all any consumer needs to do.
The only long term consequence I can see is if Microsoft decides to make using compatibility layers for their SDK’s intentionally difficult or downright illegal. Valve so far has proven as long as they can do it, they’ll update proton to make games work. The question is will someone pick up the torch if valve eventually stops?
I treat them the same, doesn’t matter to me as proton really is performance parity with Windows and that’s really the baseline.
Until porting natively is just as easy as using proton, no one will port natively. At this point who cares? Native and proton to me are the same at this point.
At this point, the only way I see a game being native is with it being an AppImage or equivalent. The resources to keep up a Windows flavor along a native port would be wasteful. The only thing I would like to see is companies stop using launchers and kernel based anti-cheat systems.
That’s basically how steam does linux support now. There are different runtimes you can target that get frozen and have long term support. The issue is these namespaces/containers/runtimes only became available in late 2019, and meanwhile proton was getting so good and the Linux marketshare is so small that linux steam runtimes didn’t really take off. If Linux market share continues to grow, Valve is ready to support developers building better supported linux native binaries.
I started to look at wine/Proton as just another linux runtime. At least now game devs have sth (mostly) stable and backwards compatible that they can target. It is really important since in Linux world, things are much more prone to experience breaking changes. Also the fact that game devs just need to develop one version for both Linux and Windows makes it super easy to target proton - you even don’t need to have a separate build process. Hence we get a more ‘refined’ version than just half-assed port made by a small team or third-party.
So I’m quite happy with how things are now. It just shows how flexible and capable Linux really is. And who knows maybe in the distant utopian future, Linux (or sth based on it similar to chomebooks, but maybe not as gimped) will pick up market and we will have much more “native” runtime.
Well tried upgrading to n38 last night, now it’s not booting up all the way. I followed the guide on Nobara’s website.
Currently stuck at “Failed to start systemctl-user db.service”
I can do an ALT + F3 and it takes me to the terminal where I can log in just fine but that’s about all I can do. No GUI, No KDE. Did I search on Google and Nobara’s discord but nothing useful. Would really rather not have to reinstall clean. Any ideas?
It’s starting to sound like I need to reinstall the OS.
Shouldn’t have dnf groupinstall “KDE Plasma Workspace” installed everything I needed if the DE was corrupted or deleted during upgrade? Do I need to run any other commands?
I always try the native version first if a game has one (old "native" ports using Wine don't count) and only use Proton if it has serious problems. I want to see more Linux native games, and so I go out of my way to play them in their native version. There are some games that I own where the native version is clearly inferior to Proton, but for most it's equal, or only slightly worse at best (I mean "Pillars of Eternity not having cloak physics in native version" level worse).
wine/proton is so good at this point and it’s getting better day by day. imo there is no need for native games but if some competative games like counter-strike, dota etc. gonna make little bit more performance out of native port then devs should consider native ports too.
If it’s a closed binary-only game then I really don’t care what “runtime” it uses as long as it runs well. Almost all games use their own GUI so they won’t be integrating with anything anyway and since they are closed I won’t be able to build them from source. It either runs and plays well or it doesn’t. Using Wine as the runtime is not that different from a game like Slay the Spire running in a JVM.
So I have no problem with switching stuff over to Wine/Proton if that works better.
Team Fortress 2 runs sweet native linux just got an udate too ;) The steam deck accelerated the development of proton so much, if they released another linux based product it would probably encourage more native games or at least better support with proton.
The steam deck and proton are game changers. Steam deck makes linux worth some nominal support. Simultaneously, proton means they don’t need a full port. All they need to do is not actively break compatibility with proton, which is a lot easier. This lowers the bar drastically for developers.
I tend to avoid linux native, although i do give it a go when possible to see if it doesn’t suck(which it usually does.)
Usually you get a much more uniform and smooth experience with wine or proton. Which makes sense given how there are a ridiculous amount of distros out there.
I actually experience the opposite, even though native games throwing fits sounds about right.
I have very few native games, the ones I remember atm are Valheim (which I didn’t realize was native at first), X3:TC (+ later expansions) and X4:F; the native versions work relatively flawlessly even in Windowed mode with Sway being my WM, so that’s something.
Yeah I’m happy with whatever works and performs best. If that means a proton version that plays nicely in Linux I’m all for it, and if it’s a native version that will be supported and/or improve across many years of releases, even better.
I used to be really big on native games but honestly my experience with Proton have been pretty positive
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