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possiblylinux127 , in Let's Try BSD, Part 1 of 7: Introduction (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragonFlyBSD)

Hey! This is a Linux community

jaypatelani OP ,
@jaypatelani@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s why I shared here. Because BSD community already running BSD :)

ndonkersloot ,

Thank you, i’ve never used a BSD variant myself but am a long time Linux user. Very curious to the next posts!

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Excuse me while I light my pitchfork

rickyrigatoni ,

The audacity. Do YOU see US going into windows communities to shill linux?

Oh. Yeah. Carry on then.

jaypatelani OP ,
@jaypatelani@lemmy.ml avatar

Look if you go to Windows community which is not similar to Linux/Unix like system it’s bad on you. But BSDs and Linux are very similar in design philosophy and are dependent on each other. While windows is different thing of its own.

poki ,

But BSDs and Linux are very similar in design philosophy and are dependent on each other.

Interesting. Would you mind elaborating on the bold parts? Thank you in advance :D !

balder1993 ,

I think when it comes to tooling, some Linux tools are actually BSD software that works because of POSIX compliance. An example is OpenSSH.

jaypatelani OP ,
@jaypatelani@lemmy.ml avatar

Sorry for my wording. What I meant was While BSD and Linux are not dependent on each other, they do share a common Unix heritage and have influenced each other over the years.

poki ,

That makes a lot more sense. Thank you for clarifying!

HumanPerson ,

Frequently software developed for one is commonly used on the other, such as openssh, iirc.

jjlinux ,

Now, where did I put that Katana?🤔

HumanPerson , in what linux OS should I install on a backup notebook if my main one is debian?

I wouldn’t switch to mint from debian. Freebsd could be worth trying, but I would play with it in a VM first. I am not knowledgeable about BSD’s, but there are others if you were unaware. They have similar names but I think netBSD and freebsd exist. FYI, BSD isn’t linux if you were unaware. Your phrasing suggested that you might think it is so I wanted to let you know.

Newer kernels are great if you need bleeding edge hardware or filesystems, but for your use case I really think debian is the way to go.

I would like to suggest you throw Fedora into the mix, or even opensuse if you want to try an rpm based distro. Opensuse has a leap flavor which is stable like debian. Fedora is fairly stable, but has regular releases (2 a year) so you also get more current software.

Sorry to throw more options into the mix, but those are fairly simple and mainstream options (fedora is more mainstream fyi) but they are worth considering.

pastermil , in New PostmarketOS Release: v24.06: The One With Over 250 Devices

I happen to have a Fairphone 4. It’s listed as supported, but not with all its features.

Anyone here tried PostmarketOS on Fairphone 4?

kadotux ,

I have! I tried it over a year ago, and LTE wasn’t working so I gave up. According to this it’s still not functioning :( wiki.postmarketos.org/…/Fairphone_4_(fairphone-fp…

pastermil ,

From what I read on the wiki, they’re mostly testing the mainline kernel. I wonder how the device support would be with vendor downstream kernel.

possiblylinux127 , in Ubuntu App Center adds a UI for installing third-party deb files

But no flatpak

just_another_person , in Let's Try BSD, Part 1 of 7: Introduction (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragonFlyBSD)

BSD will always be faster. That’s a given. It is not flexible, however. It has a very specific purpose. This is why Apple chose this as the origin for OS X, which has now been bastardized to an unrecognizable variation, but if you check the main kernel, will still read as DragonFlyBSD.

IllNess ,

BSD might be faster but companies choose BSD because the BSD License is much more flexible than the Linux General Public License. Apple was even able to create their own license, the APSL. They would not be able to do that using Linux.

wildbus8979 , (edited )

While that is true, the question is whether that’s a good thing, or not, and for whom.

biribiri11 ,

It’s a good thing for the owners of the codebase, but often, a bad thing for the community (even if the community contributes to said codebase).

For example, FOSS maintainers sometimes will (want to) relicense to protect their income stream:

github.com/CaffeineMC/sodium-fabric/issues/2400

github.com/LizardByte/Sunshine/pull/150

While corporations might literally have maintainers sign away their rights so they can take the work from their own community:

lwn.net/Articles/937369/ (canonical requires a CLA, though this + the subsequent re-license might have happened anyway)

lwn.net/Articles/935592/ (RPM spec files are MIT licensed at the Fedora level. There are likely chnages to RPM files contributed by the community that are now source-restricted in RHEL)

…intel.com/…/accelerate-snort-performance-with-hy… (See section 2.2. Previously, this work was BSD)

Mixed bag, really.

ducking_donuts ,

Faster in what sense? Would you kindly point me to the benchmarks used? It’s easy to find the opposite results so I’m curious.

IllNess ,

FreeBSD doesn’t have desktop environment built in. So maybe running from command line or installation is a lot faster.

rostselmasch ,
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Desktop environments are optional if using a Linux distribution. Also as long as a desktop environment doesnt take all resources, there shoudlnt be much difference in benchmarks.

just_another_person , (edited )

Smaller footprint in general, compiled as one (not multimodal kernel+extensions), simpler security models, and simpler init system. All of these will make it snappier out of the box than Linux, just not in the ways you’d want, say, a desktop to be faster.

This just dropped as well. You can see where the differences are: www.phoronix.com/…/bsd-linux-threadripper-7980x

ducking_donuts ,

That makes some sense I suppose. What was it about DragonFlyBSD and macOS kernel?

biribiri11 ,

I’m not sure how much I’d buy into phoronix benchmarks in this case. CentOS Strea, 9 was performing as good, if not better than, the recently released Ubuntu 24.04 and 2 week old FreeBSD 14.1 despite having a 3 year old kernel and being compiled with an equally old version of GCC. Linux is currently suffering from a pstate bug with AMD, too.

There’s a reason the BSDs are hardly used in HPC.

just_another_person , (edited )

JFC. The end all be all of Linux benchmarks, and you’re standing up to discredit their results? Phoronix practically wrote the modern book on Linux benchmarks, but please tell us how they are wrong or mistaken.

3 other commentors have deleted theirs already for their inane fanboyisms. You want want to make 4, or do you have some new energy to bring to the conversation?

biribiri11 ,

Why are you being inflammatory for no reason? I’m just saying I don’t think it’d be correct for an OS 3 years in the past to be neck and neck with modern stuff. Log off the computer and go outside lmao

just_another_person ,

Why are you? Touch grass.

jaypatelani OP ,
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just_another_person ,
possiblylinux127 , in Stylus Noob

For the love of god stop forcing people into Linux.

far_university1990 ,

What if dad asked for linux?

sic_semper_tyrannis OP ,

When he heard of an alternative to Windows he jumped on it as he’s unhappy with Windows, like so many are.

People are sick and tired of Windows, subscriptions everywhere, and many other poor trends in life so you don’t really have to force people anywhere. They are unhappy but don’t know alternatives exist so when they hear about them many people are excited for change.

possiblylinux127 ,

I just think that some people in this community are a little to be evangelical for me. Maybe I’m just old but it seems like throwing him to something as new as Fedora immutable is a bit extreme. You could simply install Linux Mint or Windows 10.

I also don’t think people care much about computers but they do listen to what you have to say. Be careful taking about how great Linux is because people who are less tech savvy may take anything you say as hard fact.

sic_semper_tyrannis OP ,

I’ve been using Mint on one of my computers for a few years and recently got into Fedora KDE. I find Fedora KDE to be much more modern than Mint so people get a good first impression of Linux. KDE also is just as familiar as Mint for Windows users in my opinion. I also find the atomic Kinoite to simply just work and the fact that it’s much more difficult to screw up I think is a plus for normal PC users.

veer66 , in what linux OS should I install on a backup notebook if my main one is debian?

I installed Sparky Linux 7 on my backup laptop computer because I failed to install Debian.

archy , in This week in KDE: Final Plasma 6.1 polishing and new features for 6.2

Hey, we worked at your airport for 4 months last year

exu , in Is there a Linux drawing tablet, or a tablet Linux can be installed on?

Your best bet is anything Wacom as they have their own driver in Linux. Alternatively OpenTabletDriver supports some other tablets as well opentabletdriver.net/Tablets.
Or the DIGImend kernel driver digimend.github.io/drivers/digimend/tablets/

Rin ,

I think they mean a tablet computer not the tablet peripheral.

Daxtron2 ,

drawing tablet

Tattorack OP ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I mean something standalone, not something that needs to be plugged into a computer. I already have an XP Pen Artist 13.

JustEnoughDucks ,
@JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

XPpen also has their own tablet drivers and is 5x the value of wacom. Wacom is the apple of drawing tablets and has been riding their own coattails for like 10 years charging ridiculous prices for old models without doing any innovation.

I think Huion also has Linux drivers now too, though their latest H1061P tablet has a hardware issue with bad pressure sensing.

Though OP was looking more for a standalone PC 2 in 1 tablet with a touchscreen that doesn’t have to be plugged in at all.

Tattorack OP ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, agreed. XP Pen is great value for money. I had a second hand Wacom before and it wasn’t particularly better in any way.

Pacmanlives , in Let's Try BSD, Part 1 of 7: Introduction (FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragonFlyBSD)

Very excited to see the rest of this series. I still run some BSD box’s. I really really enjoy it. I really wish they would support Docker at this point but it’s complex and I get it with the developers they have. Jails still work so so well. I am on a box I think I installed end of FreeBSD 9 or 10 on and just keep upgrading. That’s probably get to the 10 year mark at this point. I will have to go and check. It’s such a smooth system to run really a dream. Wish more people tried it especially

jaypatelani OP ,
@jaypatelani@lemmy.ml avatar

Agreed and FreeBSD keeps getting better at each upgrade.

jaypatelani OP ,
@jaypatelani@lemmy.ml avatar

Also there is podmon (testing version), wiki.freebsd.org/bhyve & bastillebsd.org

NetBSD prefers qemu as far as I know.

LeFantome ,

But bhyve is a hypervisor ( VMs ) and Bastille is jails. Neither of those is a solution for running OCI containers.

Asyx ,

I feel like the FreeBSD Community ist really underestimating how important OCI containers are in the Linux world. And how much easier they are to setup than vms and jails.

admin , in What is PID 0?
@admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

It’s unused, you can go ahead and kill it.

possiblylinux127 ,

Kernel: dies

Shanedino , in What is PID 0?

It’s proportion integral derivative control of some functionality. Fans can use it.

lurch ,

only fans? 😆

Pacmanlives , in what linux OS should I install on a backup notebook if my main one is debian?

OpenSuse Tumbleweed, gets you on the bleeding edge and I have had 1 issue like 5 years ago where I got a broken xorg driver. Rolled back the patch using snapper/btrfs and was back in business. Upgraded like a week later and everything was fine. System is still chugging all these years later.

Also nothing wrong with running Debian Sid another distro I never ran into that many problems.

Persen , in Is there a Linux drawing tablet, or a tablet Linux can be installed on?

Mi pad 5, but I don’t know if it supports wacom on linux.

Tattorack OP ,
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

Took a glance at it, not bad price range. I’ll be looking more into it. Thank you. ^^

Persen ,

But don’t expect everything to work.

tfowinder , in How can I easily and conveniently transfer files wirelessly between my linux computer and android phone?
@tfowinder@lemmy.ml avatar

See localsend on github

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