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lemming741 , in Go already

You’re not in traffic, you are traffic

dan1101 ,

Yeah but I’m trying to GO smoothly and courteously. Somewhere up ahead someone (or many someones) is stopping or merging badly or doing something else stupid to create these phantom traffic jams.

MentalEdge , in Stay away, you might fall off the edge of the flow of time
@MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz avatar

When you scroll so far down your Lemmy feed that you break time.

Olgratin_Magmatoe , in Stay away, you might fall off the edge of the flow of time

A nicer version of Steven King’s langoliers.

RustyShackleford ,

Beat me to it lol.

Thcdenton ,

DADDY MAKE THEM GO AWAY

Ulvain , in Dynamic pricing

Call your house representatives, have them legislate on and forbid this practice, be explicit about not voting for them if they don’t make it part of their platform.

www.house.gov/…/find-your-representative

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

My representatives are already trying to prevent me from voting. Any other ideas?

Ulvain ,

Start volunteering for the person running against them!

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

My general assemblyman has run unopposed since I’ve been old enough to vote; my congressman’s district is so jerrymandered he’s got better job security than a licensed plumber.

aniki ,

As long as you found a good excuse fuck trying to do anything huh?

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Dude I’m from a Red State, we don’t have a government of, for and by the people here. Writing my congressman has less of an effect on society than pissing in my own mouth.

What I’m actually doing about it is not eating at my local Wendy’s ever again.

kautau ,

Then volunteer to phone bank for someone in a swing state where a vote may make the difference, and write other representatives. It’s not illegal to tell other reps that you feel under-represented and the issues you are concerned about

Astronauticaldb , in Cheese board

Not the point exactly, by that’s not Gouda on the left; it looks like a mix between Swiss and Sharp Cheddar with the rind still attached.

Daxtron2 ,

Gouda you know that its not having an identity crisis.

NaoPb , in Pill bottle

Lol. What?

pivot_root , (edited ) in Looks like it was a ... boobie trap

A thought on the upper half of the meme: those “fans” sound like creeps with a fetish.

Streaming is just acting for a digital audience. If someone is going to be so upset over the identity of the streamer outside of their streaming persona, they are unhealthily invested in that person’s life.

Edit: I’m not surprised about the downvotes, but I am disappointed. This isn’t very different than followers on Twitch getting pissy when they find out their favorite gamer girl streamer actually has a boyfriend, and I’m sure most of you would agree that those people are creepy, obsessive, and fetishising women gamers.

Gullible ,
ArbitraryValue ,

One of the main advantages that streaming has over other forms of entertainment is that it does create a sort of relationship between the streamer and the viewer. Generally the viewer knows that the streamer isn’t really his friend, but the viewer does feel a sort of human connection to the streamer which relies on the assumption that the streamer is being authentic.

I’ll be frank: if I watch streamer content, it’s because I’m feeling lonely and watching it is a little like hanging out with a friend. Obviously it’s not the same because it’s almost entirely a one-way interaction and I know that the streamer is deliberately creating entertainment as opposed to doing what he’s doing purely for its own sake, but I would be disappointed if I discovered that a streamer’s whole identity was made up.

Kowowow ,

This relationship thing is why I avoid streaming, just feels like propaganda eventually it affects you even if you know it can happen

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

I like watching stream highlights, occasionally I’ll watch one live. But they’re generally pretty boring, even as background noise - they’re on there for hours at a time

I don’t think the relationship itself is bad, but it’s a relationship between you (massively plural) and an individual. It’s like being part of a crowd. I get that people like it, but I don’t get much out of it

Verserk ,
@Verserk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I think people would be upset that the streamer felt the need to lie in the first place

PeriodicallyPedantic ,

I mean… I can see it both ways.

When people engage with content, they have expectations going in - they expect to know if the content is fictional, truthful, or intentionally ambiguous.

For example, if someone watches a documentary and finds out it was all made up, they’d be right to be upset, because it presents itself as honest.
Likewise if someone watches a fantasy movie, they don’t have the expectation of honesty.
And if someone watches something like the Blair witch project, they go in knowing that it’s dubiously truthful. It’s a bit of a grey area because the deceit is part of the art.

Streaming is similar, vtubers are obviously fictional - nobody really has expectations around what they’re really like.
But if someone builds a following around being authentically themselves, and then it’s discovered that they’re lying about significant parts of their content, I can understand some degree of outrage.

I don’t really watch streamers because the dynamic between streamers and viewers seems toxic AF, where streamers are kinda forced to pander and appear personable… But I still understand being upset when you find out what you got isn’t what you were sold

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

She’s stealing the identity of a marginalized minority, I say she didn’t get enough hate, this was an old case, the meme is just being recycled.

Rentlar , in Go already

The CGP Grey video on Traffic is a decent explainer on how traffic happens to begin with and how it gets relieved, kind of like a traffic snake that grows and shrinks, travelling in the direction opposite to traffic.

This City Nerd Video explains how traffic gets exponentially worse as it increases.

It usually starts with someone making a dumb move at a merge, changing lanes or another person forgetting to brake until the very last moment. That’s part of the reason I don’t see much benefit in adding more lanes to a highway save for very few exceptions, since you’ll just have more changing lanes leading to slowdowns and extending a section that was a bottleneck often just shifts the bottleneck somewhere else.

So anyways, I’ll keep preaching to the choir: trains, trains, we need more buses and trains.

kameecoding ,

youtu.be/oafm733nI6U?si=dUBMco9Ql-QtLF2a

Broke: thinking cgp greys video is informative and good

Woke: realizing cgo greys video is fucking stupid and car brained

Rentlar ,

Hey listen bud, I’m a massive advocate for trains and I think automated cars are an unrealistic idea in the near future.

Still, you have to understand the origin of traffic to get a better understanding of how to come to a solution.

“The solution to traffic is passenger trains” is a valid statement but is missing a lot of the intermediary as to how, why and completely skips the root causes of road traffic. That’s why I put the CGP Grey video 1st since that’s the first step, explaining traffic well even if I disagree with its conclusion, then CityNerd’s video 2nd. After the 2nd, the conclusion that public transit would solve traffic because it reduces drastically car volumes should start to come naturally.

drosophila , (edited )

While things like merging movements and so on is part of the story, it’s not the whole story.

You see, by saying “traffic jams are caused by merging mistakes and so on” it kinda implies that if everyone drove perfectly a highway lane could carry infinitely many cars. In actually a highway lane has a finite capacity determined by the length of the vehicles traveling on it, the length of the gap between them (indirectly determined by how fast they can start and stop), and the speed they’re moving.

There are finite limits for gap widths and speed determined by physics and geometry. As the system approaches these limits it becomes less and less able to deal with small disruptions. In other words, as more cars move on a freeway a traffic jam becomes more and more likely. The small disruption which is perceived as the cause was really just the nucleation point for a phase change that the system was already poised to transition through. If it wasn’t that event then something else would trigger it.

It is interesting to note that once a highway has transitioned from smooth flow to traffic jam its capacity is massively reduced, which you can see in the graphs in the above link. Another interesting thing to note is that the speed vs volume graph, if you flip it upside down, resembles a cost / demand curve from economics, where volume is the demand and time spent commuting (the inverse of speed) is cost. If you do this you see something quite odd, which is that the curve curls up around itself and goes backwards.

This is less like a normal economic situation (the more people use a resource the more they have to pay, the less people use it the less they have to pay) and more like a massively multiplayer version of the prisoner’s dilemma. For awhile the cost increases only slightly with growing demand, until a certain threshold where each additional actor making a transaction has a chance to massively increase the cost for everyone, even if consumption is reduced. Actors can choose to voluntarily pay a higher time cost (wait before getting on the freeway) to avoid this, but again, it’s the prisoners dilemma. People can just go, trigger a traffic jam anyway, and you’ll still have to sit through it + all the time you waited trying to prevent it.

Self driving cars are often described as a way to eliminate traffic jams, but they don’t change this fundamental property of how roadways work. It’s true that capacity could potentially be increased somewhat by decreasing the gap between cars, since machines have faster reflexes than humans (though I’m skeptical of how much the gap can really be decreased; is every car going to weigh the same at all times? Is every car going to have tires and brakes in identical conditions? Is the condition of the asphalt going to be identical at all times and across every part of the roadway? All of these things imply a great deal of variability in stopping distance, which implies a wide safety gap.), but the prisoner’s dilemma problem remains. The biggest thing that self driving cars could actually do to alleviate traffic jams would be to not enter a highway until traffic volumes were at a safe level. This can also be accomplished with a traffic volume sensor and a stop light on highway on-ramps.

Of course trains, on top of having a way higher capacity than a highway lane, don’t suffer from any of this prisoner’s dilemma stuff. If a train car is full and you have to wait for the next one that’s equivalent to being stopped at a highway on ramp. People can’t force their way into a train and make it run slower for everyone (well, unless they do something really crazy like stand in the door and stop the train from leaving).

Rentlar ,

You could carry a near infinite amount of cars on a highway if you could instantly accelerate to near the speed of light!

In all seriousness, yes you’re right that there is a max throughput of people per hour even with ideal drivers and cars on a given highway. You simply do not have enough space.

The article was very interesting and informative, but that too assumes many ideal conditions. Re: zipper merging, the author really discounts the affect of confusion causing on cumulative delay. Of course that never letting anyone get in front of you, and decreasing your headway will theoretically let you get to your destination earlier, but you run the risk of needing to detour to an auto collision center. In a 2 to 1 merge, one of the lanes must delay themselves 2 more seconds, everybody playing chicken instead of sharing the delay across the two will cumulatively slow things down on the whole.

This can also be accomplished with a traffic volume sensor and a stop light on highway on-ramps.

This kind of traffic metering does already exist, as you’re probably aware!

But the fact that even just a single rail car holds 360 commuters, equivalent to 180 cars or more on the highway changes the math completely.

drosophila , (edited )

But the fact that even just a single rail car holds 360 commuters, equivalent to 180 cars or more on the highway changes the math completely.

Absolutely. The fact that 3 million people pass through Shinjuku station every day is a testament to that.

If all of those people lived in a city in the US it would be the country’s third largest, behind NY and LA. (If we’re going by the entire urban area instead of just within city limits it would be the 20th, just ahead of the Baltimore-Columbia-Towson metropolitan statistical area.)

All in a space that’s smaller than most highway interchanges.

And that’s not even using two-level train cars (which is where your figure for 360 people per train car comes from I think?).

howrar , in Go already

Traffic dynamics are really interesting. Even after you clear the obstruction, the traffic jam remains and becomes a “ghost jam” that propagates backwards down the road until it eventually fizzles out.

Crazyslinkz ,

I agree, I think mythbusters did a small scale test in a circle.

mememuseum ,

The Mythbusters also built a sweet plow truck that would get you through traffic.

brbposting ,
TexasDrunk ,

I turned down politeness all the way and watched it become Dallas traffic almost immediately.

hydration9806 ,

Unfortunately, the same thing happens when you turn it all the way up

TexasDrunk ,

But they’re much nicer about it.

Tlaloc_Temporal ,
@Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s like a pressure wave! The boat is gone, but the wake is still causing you problems.

sodalite , in Go already

they keep switching lanes

umbrella , in Pill bottle
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

this is fucking cursed

Track_Shovel OP ,
@Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net avatar

I do what I can

Krauerking ,

What you can is scar hundreds of people…

God speed soldier.

ChronosTriggerWarning , in Cheese board

Well, duh! That’s a waste of perfectly good smeg. You should put it in your “smoothie.”

Akasazh , in Cheese board
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Fromage á la bite!

synapse1278 ,
@synapse1278@lemmy.world avatar

Non, ça se dit : fromage de bite

Akasazh ,
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

Excusez moi, c’est comme la bite-ude pour moi.

^me trying my best at a French pun

RVGamer06 ,

How did i understand a French pun when i don’t even know the language

nightwatch_admin , in Guess what dudes...

Toad’s an interesting picture!

Maggoty , in Toot toot

If that’s the only issue? Ignore it and carry on. Consider yourself lucky.

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