Stumbled over that last week. There is a company where I buy nearly all my computer stuff from, and I’m a customer for more than 20 years.
I wanted to order parts for a high-end PC, but simply could not add the motherboard to the shopping cart. Everything else was already in there. I called them, and they asked me if I used Firefox. And they told me in no uncertain terms that Firefox was dead and would no longer be supported for “safety and security reasons”, I should use Chrome or Edge instead.
If their site is too stupid to cope with Firefox, why the heck does it not tell me about this upfront, e.g. when I try to enter an item into the shopping cart?
I’ve had a few websites tell me to view their website in Chrome. I just leave, because no way am I putting any kind of personal data into a website run by such incompetent people.
I used to be a web developer. Back 8 years ago, you used to have to do a lot of special tricks to make your website look and function the same in all the browsers. Now, you really don’t. Unless you’re using some really obscure closed source codec or something, websites literally render and function properly without needing any browser specific code fixes.
There’s no excuse, unless you’re blocking older versions of every browser for security reasons, which is fine, because browsers update automatically these days, and it’s very rare for someone to be running a really old version.
Usually the thing about the webpage not working is just codeword for “we have not tested it and we won’t”. If you really need to access it, there are some extensions that can change your user agent so the page thinks you are in chromium.
This is not fully true. Recently I had problems with keyboard press event propagation working differently on button elements and CSS scroll snapping behaving differently when new items are appended in the scroll container. Both are not really obscure.
While you are basically right with that, just imagine the computer shop where all the IT professionals go to get their stuff. I’m a customer there for more than 20 years because they are good. If there was any good alternative, I might be tempted to change, but so far I have not heard of such a thing.
LOL I work in IT for a rather large company and we are supposed to use FF because it’s actually more secure and is more reliable than chromium browsers.
What’s the source for that claim? To my understanding, Firefox first got sandboxed processes for sites in 2021, and only recently this year got features to sandbox the GPU processes as well - playing catch-up by many years to Chrome, and exposing attack vectors for sites to gain access to OS-level API’s to meanwhile. And to my understanding, neither are enabled by default on Firefox for Android, because of ongoing compatibility issues for years bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1610822
My take is that Firefox or its’ derivatives are better for privacy, while Chromium is better for security, due to the vastly greater development resources.
Let’s be realistic. Reddit have years of post and discussion saved who are very useful for research. So the answer is simple, use Reddit as a Wikipedia and Post new content here or on any other free platform. (Well technically new. Some meme i saw here are older than me 😅).
I deleted my Reddit account when I moved to Lemmy, but I do go back to Reddit if a Google search leads me there. You’re right, the wealth of knowledge remains there but I no longer wish to participate in the conversation there.
Pleading ignorance here and genuine questions. Is anyone, within the context of browsers able to define privacy and what it is that FF does that is superior to other say, Chromium based browsers? And what the real world effects are of not using FF for the purpose of privacy? Either reply or point to sources on the Web would be much appreciated.
As I understand it, you can make a Chromium browser just as privacy friendly as Firefox. I use Vivaldi on my home PC and mobile which is strongly privacy focused and has a ton of small QoL features neither Chrome nor Firefox has (I use both at work, prefer FF over Chrome). (Going off the tangent here) for example, it's incredibly easy to re-open recently closed tabs in Vivaldi with just two clicks—a feature I use all the time—as the recently closed tabs list is very obvious and easy to access in the tab bar itself without the need to futz around in the menus to find browsing history. The customizable speed dial, sidebar menu for things like bookmarks and downloads are really nice and the download manager in Vivaldi is IMO better than FF, too.
The bigger problem is Google having defacto monopoly over browser market and thus having too much influence over how web standards work and how the user can browse the web (I'm old enough to remember "This web page is best viewed on Internet Explorer" messages on websites). The move to manifest v3 to curb content blockers is one such example.
Thanks for your reply. I am a Vivaldi user myself currently after trying numerous browsers over the years. I was trying to reconcile in my mind what am I giving up in terms of privacy for my choice. I do tend to lean on and learn from other more knowledgeable myself. I do have a few privacy related extensions installed. But you touch on something there that extends further than personal privacy but Googles influence on web standards, good one.
Chrome is run by an ad company with a vested interest in your data and has been outspoken about banning adblockers in the past.
Firefox is a completely open source project run by a non-profit organisation who accepts donations to cover costs.
Other Chromium-based browsers can generally be fine but the overuse of chromium reinforces web standards that are hard to reproduce. A web browser is a fairly complex beast these days even for the best programmers. Just see XMPP for an example of where things could lead to.
While it’s true that Firefox receives some of those donations from Google for being the default search engine, they have no influence over decisions made by the Firefox team whatsoever. That’s the short version of it.
Just mine around the edge and make sure you catch all the blocks so they don’t fall on the pressure plate at the bottom. You can mine out the reassure plate when you get down there, and the tnt! Good luck with the loot, hope you get some cool trims! Pretty sure Notch apples can still spawn down there as well!
The pyramids have stone pressure plates, which are only set off by mobs and players. However, wooden pressure plates are activated by other things too such as items and fired arrows
I hope it succeeds though. It is exciting to be at the start of humanity becoming a spacefaring race. The idea that we might be able to see the Earth from space in our lifetime is amazing. I think people that venture into the unknown are inspiring. It’s great that we are pushing the boundaries of what humans can achieve. Sure, there are problems on Earth, but solving space problems makes it seem like figuring out our differences should be trivial given what we can achieve. Damn this is some good weed.
I remember the good old 4chan days when every 3rd post was about how “this is the cancer that is killing /b/” …
Which in hindsight was not wrong. It’s a husk of what it was. I fought with many a /b/tard in the great Tumblr wars. It was remnant of a more wild age, before the summer posters, before the psyops.
I mean I get the whole post isn’t super serious but for real, I doubt that getting rid of Hitler-Hitler would have stopped the rise of fascism and nazis. There would have just been another leader who might have caused even greater damage.
IMO much better. It’s Apple product. You give your data to them anyway while using macOS or iOS so that’s one argument: no need to share your data with anyone else.
Apart of that they have built in tracking blockers and I think they fiddle with cookies because I get logged out from services more frequently than on other browsers that I use for web development.
Do you have proof of this? For example with the payment info on Apple Pay. It is all encrypted, not even the side I’m buying from sees my address or credit card info.
Apple’s whole marketing angle is based on privacy to differentiate themselves from Google and the others. If they get caught doing something stupid it seems like that would cost them more than they would make from the stupid stuff.
I don’t have specific data on Safari, but Apple choosing to do pretty much all ML stuff on device and leave it there bodes well for their general thoughts on privacy when compared to pretty much every other company that wants to pull all that data back so it can be used for other things.
Apple’s whole marketing angle is based on privacy to differentiate themselves from Google and the others. If they get caught doing something stupid it seems like that would cost them more than they would make from the stupid stuff.
Marketing angle, sure, but starting in 2019, Apple’s core MacOS product moved to selling users data to serve them better ads. They were only private for as long as they could attract new users with that. Now all they really have is “less privacy disrespecting than Windows 11 or ChromeOS”
Eh, other vendors have been known to cooperative with police and government officials and hand over user data without a warrant - any evidence that’s been the case with Apple?
Look in the system preferences app. There’s a whole section for opting out of Apple collecting advertising data about you. That’s the preferences app of the ENTIRE OS.
Meanwhile, Apple’s application APIs set advertisements as a core feature:
They may be letting you opt out for now, but this is an early phase of the enshittification cycle. First, they attracted users by promising privacy. Now they’re attracting advertisers by dangling in front of them an expanded user base. It won’t be long until Apple will make opting out more complicated and difficult because they think they can make more money selling more data to advertisers. They’ll do it slowly. Every time saying “they’re giving consumers more granular control over their privacy” when really they’re just “creating opt-outs for things you didn’t use to have to opt out of” or “creating opt-outs that used to be part of a larger opt out.” Someday will come “we’ve eliminated opt-outs” and eventually “here’s an advertising banner at the bottom of all default apps”
Well, at least it’s apparently all in one place instead of being scattered into several different apps’ settings like with Android. Android has its Privacy Dashboard, but, from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t begin to sufficiently cover privacy.
There’s really nothing wrong with it. The only thing that Firefox enthusiasts are concerned about is that you contribute to the Chromium monopoly by using Ungoogled Chromium.
I wouldn’t consider myself a Firefox enthusiast, but there is one other major thing I’m concerned about with Chromium, and that’s the Chrome Web Store’s massive malware problem. Practically every month there’s some story about a bunch of malware being found on the store. Even accounting for the smaller userbase Firefox-based browsers have, it’s incredibly rare to see such stories about AMO. When they do come out, Mozilla tends to lay down the banhammer faster than Google does. CWS also had a pretty big problem with survey scams in the past, though I’m not sure about now. And if you look through AMO, one major difference you will notice is a distinct lack of all those sketchy search hijacking new tab extensions that seem to pop up on CWS constantly. Simply put, it appears Google’s review process for extensions on CWS is practically non-existent, while Mozilla’s is much more stringent. ~Cherri
Nah, they have a big concern on that matter. Not collecting or selling your data is one of their main selling points lol. Also, while not completely open source, the main changes they do to the chromium base is open for everyone
Not collecting or selling your data is one of their main selling points lol.
And… how can we trust that claim?
Just use Librewolf. Problem solved. If you want some gimmicky stuff that Vivaldi provides, that’s fine. Just know that it’s not as private as Librewolf is. It’s default privacy measures are subpar at best.
of course not, it hasn’t been updated for FIFTEEN YEARS and definitely didn’t even get an engine upgrade in 2017 let alone a new version half a month ago and a hotfix last week
No effect, bevause youtube uses an outdated version of Shadow DOM, which only chromium based browsers have installed. It then makes browsers like Firefox and pre chromium edge start youtube terribly.
I switched from Chrome to Firefox somewhat recently. The experience really isn’t any different, except Firefox doesn’t use 110% of your CPU.
I have a ton of privacy extensions which causes a few issues when creating accounts by linking to your Google account (the pop-up is blocked) or opening redirect links to apps (I think it’s only Discord that I’ve had an issue with). I don’t consider those drawbacks because the browser is doing its job. Instead, I go copy and paste the link in Chrome.
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