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whileloop , in Here we go again
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This is your hourly reminder that Brave is still Chromium and still contributes to Google’s influence over internet standards.

amnesiacrobat ,
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Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind

big_slap ,

they’ve lived long enough to become the bad guys

Fpsfrank85 ,
@Fpsfrank85@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good

crusa187 ,

It is good for privacy, but quality of results has always felt a bit lacking to me

raunchy_noodles ,

That’s a search engine, chrome and Firefox are the browser. You can use duck duck go from either.

I haven’t heard anything negative about them yet.

Fpsfrank85 ,
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I have the duck duck app on my phone, wasn’t sure if it was any different

raunchy_noodles ,

I just looked it up and you’re right. Looks like they have a browser out now. My mistake.

julianh , (edited )

Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn’t allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.

Skyrkazm ,

What about Opera GX? The mobile and Desktop versions.

Fl1ppyR34 ,

Still chromium underneath, just like the normal opera

Skyrkazm ,

:disintigrate.png:

festemmie ,

chromium, and not even open source(from what i know)

nudnyekscentryk ,
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Skyrkazm ,

The more you know

danielton ,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

The enshittification of Opera sucks… I used to like them when they had their own Presto rendering engine. I heard Vivaldi is the spiritual successor, but it, too, is based on Chromium.

c0mbatbag3l ,
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Vivaldi isn’t just the spiritual successor, it’s built by the guy who made the original Opera. Its baked in Ad and Tracker blocking rival UBO and it has all the features Fox can only hope to barely emulate with Mozilla extensions.

I’ve got FF loaded up and set up how I like, but I won’t be switching over until Vivaldi doesn’t perform correctly.

westyvw ,

Vivaldi

So re-badged Chromium with closed source changes. Dependent on the upstream chromium. Doesnt seem like a good idea to me.

c0mbatbag3l ,
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How do you know it’s dependent? Cant anyone make a fork of the engine?

westyvw ,

It isnt a fork though, its just built on top of. Which is probably smarter than a fork, they dont have to do all that other work. It is interesting that the web hints and the user agent now say Chrome in the vavaldi reporting. At least I think it did: search for “what is my user agent” and it will tell you.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not sure I did exactly what you intended but I searched it in the address/search bar and it gives me this output.

“Your user agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/114.0.0.0 Safari/537.36 Vivaldi/6.1.3035.257”

westyvw ,

Wow thats kind of new too. Covering all bases, lol.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

At first I thought I did it wrong, since I got an output for basically every browser engine on the market. Does the order matter? I’m just a network engineer I don’t know much about systems beyond building hardware and installing/managing Windows and some PnP Linux Distros.

westyvw ,

I should have directed you here: www.whatsmybrowser.org

or use whatever search result you want for “what browser am i using”. It will tell you what I was trying to demonstrate.

No order does not matter, in the first thing we did it simply is announcing that it is capable to handle requests as if it was any of those browsers/versions. This second link is more to to the point.

Still, if you are happy with it, fine. I just find it somewhat depressing/worrysome that there are basically 2 choices no matter what browser you choose: Chrome (or webkit based) and Firefox. That is it. (Well ok or Safari. KHTML based - which was a fork of KDE’s Konqueror. )

danielton ,
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Hah you beat me to it. That’s why I said “spiritual,” because it’s still Chromium under the hood.

senoro ,

Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Source?? Very exciting if true. Haven’t heard this before

senoro ,

9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/

I think i heard a more definitive source as well since this one is a few months old that it should be coming with ios17.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Yeah I just googled and found that. Only problem is that it’s been 6 months and not a peep since. This is more of a policy piece than software (I think). Any reason why that capability would be tied to an os release?

senoro ,

Apple like to link updates to policy and software to ios updates when they could easily be added anytime. It’s just a thing they do. Maybe so they can tote it as a new feature for developers coming with ios 17

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Makes sense. Thanks for your responses!

Stalins_Spoon ,
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Duckduckgo will stick with WebKit because they want to keep it native

Danc4498 ,

I believe duck duck go sources their results from Google somehow. For whatever that’s worth

Karyoplasma ,

DDG aggregates from Yahoo afaik.

Danc4498 ,

And I thought yahoo got it’s results from Google too… I probably have no idea though.

Kernal64 ,

This is what DDG has to say about where their results come from:

duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/…/sources/

Spoiler alert: It’s not Google or Yahoo.

Danc4498 ,

Interesting. And Wikipedia says yahoo gets it’s search data from Bing.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search

ApathyTree ,
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Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Interesting. I didn’t know that. Safari is a piece of shit for other reasons too

Reygle ,
@Reygle@lemmy.world avatar

Example reason why Safari is shit: It’s Safari

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

Yeah. They selectively adopt web standards years later than the others and the mobile and iPad versions in some ways behave completely differently from desktop (and each other). If safari just acted like the other browsers, frontend web dev would be MUCH easier.

SpeziSuchtel ,

Depends on which standards, for some css functions like backdrop-filters and mix-blend-modes it was years ahead of Firefox, where some of those had to be activated through about:config. I‘m glad Firefox catchend up in the past few years though. Also WebKit accelerated HTML5 adoption a lot.

Never had any major issues developing for Firefox, safari and chrome in the past few years though. It was quite a different story 10 years ago but nowadays 99% of the time, it works flawlessly between all major browsers for me.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

I feel like you’re referring to Firefox literally 12 years ago or more. I’m talking about today. Literally any brand new standard is not supported for 1-2 years minimum. I run into problems with safari on a near daily basis. I rarely have a weird issue in Firefox. 99% of the time chrome and Firefox behave the same. The vast majority of the time that one browser has an issue others don’t, it’s safari. It’s weird to me to get pushback on this …

SpeziSuchtel , (edited )

Backdrop filters were introduced with Firefox 103, which was released just 12 months ago. And it was a major pain for me that Firefox was the only browser I had to do workarounds for this function when Safari supported it since 2015 and chrome did since 2019.

Every platform has some problems. But it’s fairly rare for me to run into these nowadays. I still love using Firefox. But just because your experience is different than mine doesn’t mean that mine is outdated. It’s not meant to be a pushback against your comment, just sharing that there had been issues with Firefox in the past as well.

balderdash9 ,
@balderdash9@lemmy.world avatar

I’m thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features

sci ,
adroidBalloon ,
@adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml avatar

the CEO is also a homophobic bigot and covid denier

Digital_man ,

Had no idea! Thanks I’m getting off brave!

TheAlbacor ,

Thanks for pointing this out! I was already using Firefox, but after looking this up I found out that they also got rid of him for being homophobic.

Firefox it is!

festemmie ,

i always use software for what it is, ignoring the beliefs of its creator, but ive already been using firefox, librewolf and mullvad browser since i moved to linux, and i have only been seeing people say stuff that shows chromium is worse. (except for people with no argument of course)

theneverfox ,
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Librewolf has been pretty cool since I started using it as a sidearm with less than 600 ff tabs, how does mullvad compare?

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

Librewolf has been pretty cool since I started using it as a sidearm with less than 600 ff tabs, how does mullvad compare?

Hobbes ,

The CEO also donated to Prop 8 in California and a number of other bigoted conservative things.

Smokeydope ,
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This is your hourly reminder that default Firefox isn’t that great for privacy thus librewolf exist

AndrewZen ,

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  • Smokeydope ,
    @Smokeydope@lemmy.world avatar

    Honestly I dunno on this one. Someone likes foxes more than wolves I guess lol

    Engywuck ,

    Cool. If me choosing Brave over FF contributes to the demise of the useless, cash-grab scam which Mozilla is, I’ll happily continue using Brave.

    dunning_cougar , in I feel the actual inflation

    Inflation is transitory, and it is Trump’s fault for overheating the economy anyways.

    EhList ,
    @EhList@lemmy.world avatar

    None of this is because of Trump. He is too far removed from office and inflation is typically not the result of something the executive did. The Fed and Congress are much more directly responsible for the economy as they control the purse strings and interest rates respectively.

    I have no love for TLFG but he’s not to blane in this case

    Torvum ,

    Love the cognitive dissonance of the populist backlash to Trump where even if you look at his 4 years and realize that logically he was pretty much an average (we haven’t had a decent one in a loooooong time) president in all categories, he’s somehow responsible for every bad in all industries, even where the checks and balances would have prevented him any influence over.

    EhList ,
    @EhList@lemmy.world avatar

    Trump is the least capable POTUS in US history with the only possible exception being Pierce. He was an unmitigated disaster for policy and the views of the USA abroad. He was shit.

    The catch is he’s not responsible for the current inflation. That’s because the Fed did not act fast enough.

    HughJanus ,

    It’s the Fed’s fault for overreacting to COVID and leaving rates at 0% for years. That shit has permanent consequences. A whole lot of people got insanely rich from a global tragedy.

    LoveSausage , in Man behind viral dress to stand trial charged with trying to kill wife
    @LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Next stop in the, I’m sure I’m living in the matrix. Fuckers lazy asf

    WtfEvenIsExistence , in I feel the actual inflation

    Now I really like the um… inflation ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    Narrrz , in cucumbers and watches

    does 'watch' rhyme with 'batch' in American?

    LemmyFeed ,

    If you’re from the Midwest then yes.

    some_guy ,

    Lived in the dead center of the country for a decade. Never heard it said that way.

    Anyway, I enjoyed this more than it deserved. Loved it and chuckled at the end.

    Diprount_Tomato , in I feel the actual inflation
    @Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

    My country’s news say we’re improving with a straight face. And I’m like “improving in what? Making the country sink more efficiently?”

    Mic_Check_One_Two ,

    The stockholders have improving profits. That’s all the media cares about. If profits go up, the media will be praising it even if inflation is killing the bottom 90%.

    TwoGems ,
    @TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m honestly not sure why there isn’t civil unrest worldwide. People have got to be suffering mass homelessness at this point and starving. I did hear that theft from grocery stores increased but to me it’s well deserved.

    Diprount_Tomato ,
    @Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

    The Internet happened

    JoMiran ,
    @JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

    Well deserved or justified? I don’t think a grocery store deserves being robbed given that they operate on slim margins, but if you steal a loaf of bread because you are otherwise going to starve, then I think you are justified.

    TwoGems ,
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    A corporate grocery store will be just fine and they have tax write offs and benefits normal people don’t.

    GreatAlbatross ,
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    “It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it. Parsons swallowed it easily, with the stupidity of an animal. The eyeless creature at the other table swallowed it fanatically, passionately, with a furious desire to track down, denounce, and vaporize anyone who should suggest that last week the ration had been thirty grammes. Syme, too — in some more complex way, involving doublethink, Syme swallowed it. Was he, then, ALONE in the possession of a memory?”

    Diprount_Tomato ,
    @Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

    Literally 1984, but this time it isn’t even a joke (I’m fucking scared)

    Mantis_Toboggan , in Man behind viral dress to stand trial charged with trying to kill wife
    @Mantis_Toboggan@lemmy.world avatar

    I feel like we should put a rest to the term “breaking the internet.”

    Am I the only one here completely out of the loop?

    nomadwannabe ,

    Yeah nothing viral has really ever broken the internet.

    Ellen Degenerate’s Oscar tweet sort of broke Twitter briefly, I can’t think of much else.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    There was that CDN that went down a couple years ago, that literally broke the internet briefly

    LegendofDragoon ,
    @LegendofDragoon@kbin.social avatar

    Laurel

    KnightontheSun ,

    …aaand hearty handshake!

    countstex ,
    @countstex@feddit.dk avatar

    You’d do it for Hedy Lamarr!

    ElBarto ,

    BRAINSTORM

    Holyhandgrenade ,
    @Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world avatar

    On the same topic, the Will Smith/Chris Rock Oscar slap pretty much saturated the internet for a few days

    VikingHippie ,

    True, but the point is that didn’t break it

    rynzcycle ,

    Which is less impressive considering a gentle breeze can break Twitter now.

    nbafantest ,

    Facebook fucking up their BGP 2 years ago broke the internet for like 1/3 of the world

    LiveLM ,

    Nowadays Twitter breaks itself spontaneously, no celeb needed

    LemmynySnicket ,

    Does Elon musk not count as a celeb? Because he was definitely needed to break twitter.

    Ddhuud ,

    Definitely doesn’t count. There’s famous, and then there’s infamous.

    sndrtj ,

    Ellen was also quite infamous among her crew.

    Ktheone ,

    And Gangnam style broke the youtube view counter too, but your point stands

    outer_spec ,
    @outer_spec@lemmy.studio avatar

    A Homestuck flash broke Newgrounds once

    basxto ,
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    The internet never breaks, it only splits

    genoxidedev1 , in I feel the actual inflation
    @genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

    You just gave me a whole new perspective

    Blastasaurus , in Canadian Taylor Swift

    So Shania Twain?

    FlyingSquid , in Man behind viral dress to stand trial charged with trying to kill wife
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Is his wife’s name Yanny or Laurel?

    Thteven ,
    @Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m putting my money on Gay Bowser.

    can ,

    So long!

    VikingHippie ,

    That’s what she said

    timelighter ,

    Green needle

    AlmightySnoo , in I feel the actual inflation
    @AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world avatar

    tbh both inflation numbers are hot

    misterawesome42 ,

    Yeah, I wouldn’t mind being screwed by either of these inflations.

    Kerensky1101 ,
    get_the_reference_ ,
    Diprount_Tomato ,
    @Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

    Nah reported inflation is better. Too much inflation might drown you

    bobs_monkey ,

    It’s a risk I’m willing to take.

    HolidayGreed ,

    If I learned anything from the film Weird Science it’s that anything bigger than a handful of inflation, you’re risking a sprained tongue.

    KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX ,
    @KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

    Small tits fan checking in.

    exohuman , in Man behind viral dress to stand trial charged with trying to kill wife
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    Death2lois ,

    Oh, wow… this is real

    Addv4 ,

    Im just reading the article, and remembering the whole domestic abuse campaign the dress produced. Think this just really drove the point home for sure.

    LemmynySnicket ,

    Domestic abuse campaign the dress produced? I barely pay attention, remember the dress but not that.

    exohuman ,
    @exohuman@programming.dev avatar

    I think it was in South Africa.

    www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/news/inf060315

    VikingHippie ,

    Oh! A campaign AGAINST domestic abuse! That’s better!

    oldGregg ,

    Hahaha what did you think?

    Like a black and white infomercial,

    “Have you come home without dinner being ready? Laundry piling up? Is your wife exposing too much skin?

    Lucky for you, there’s an easy solution!”

    Fade to color…

    VikingHippie ,

    Yeah, I thought at first it might be some kind of “mens rights” group pro-abuse because it’s traditional kind of bullshit…

    crusa187 , in RIP reddit

    huh…is this humor?

    Misconduct , in mmmmfffgh

    Oh good now I get to live with this image of Garfield for the rest of my life that’s awesome

    Zapp ,

    I truly hope that “I’m sorry Jon” sets up a federated community.

    spacesweedkid27 ,

    “Thank you daddy Jon” this time

    db2 , in I feel the actual inflation
    explodicle ,

    Sure it’s a widespread increase in the prices of goods and services, but corporate profits are up too so that makes it not inflation, for some reason. /s

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