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db2 , in incredible

Electricity is easy to make though… a couple magnets and some copper wire.

Transform2942 ,

Easy materials to get from your local 1st century hardware store

tallwookie ,
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they’d probably have non-shitty copper by then, but magnets? thems witchcraft

preciouspupp ,

Most people dont even know how to make wires.

tallwookie ,
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really? isnt it just forcing/extruding hot metal through a die?

Alteon ,

How do you make the die?

tallwookie ,
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1st century? probably with diamonds.

QuinceDaPence ,

Big-ass piece of cast iron with a little hole in it.

If you can convince them you know the end product I'm sure the king can point you to his metal workers and in a lot of cases come up with a solution.

Also, it's labor intensive but I think you can beat it into wire or use some other methods.

If the king says to the blacksmith "make that copper long ans skinny" he can probably make it happen.

Transform2942 ,

What tools do you use to precisely work cast iron into a small hole to create your die?

IWantToFuckSpez , (edited )

How would you buy copper with no money? It’s not like you can exchange your modern money to their currency. So first you need to find a job and any good paying job is probably protected by guilds and you don’t even speak their language so good luck finding a mentor who will offer an apprenticeship. You will be a peasant. Nothing more than a subsistence farmer who has to rent the land and give half his yield to the local lord. Hunting? Killing anything bigger than a fowl will get you in trouble since big game is property of the lord.

Also copper ore doesn’t lie freely on the ground. You need to mine for that shit and be lucky that there is a source in the vicinity, since you can’t travel very far. Can’t buy a horse with no money.

And if you found a source you need to convince an entire community to help you mine for copper. You sure as hell can’t do it alone. Good luck convincing them when everyone is busy tending their crops to prepare for the winter. And you don’t even speak their language.

BastingChemina ,

I imagine that the best way to make money would be if you manage to build a rm rudimentary still.

I feel like moonshine would be relatively easy to do and a great way to make profit of no one kills you before.

Distilled alcohol is quite rudimentary to produce but only appeared late in history. Plus it is great for leisure application, food conservation or medicine.

FlyingSquid ,
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How do you get the materials for a still with no money?

Intralexical ,

Surely you’ve got a pot or something to cook your food in, right? Stick a leaf or a hollow log over it or whatever. Seriously… Money is fake, and literally everything is materials.

FlyingSquid ,
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Sorry… how is a leaf over a pot the same as a still?

Intralexical ,

It’s a condensation surface on which vapours revert to droplets in a liquid state due to the colder ambient air-cooled temperature of the leaf compared to the gaseous medium and heat source below it (and therefore lower vapour pressure immediately next to its surface), allowing the condensate/distillate to be collected and funneled for disposal, recycling, consumption, and/or another stage of distillation, and, in this case, producing an increasingly concentrated azeotropic water-ethanol solution which you can sell for the big bucks.

…Slightly simplified, of course. You may in fact need multiple leaves over pots, or even a couple leaves bent into funnels/chutes, and possibly even one pot over another pot.

I.E., By definition, a leaf over a pot is a still, as long as you put it at a slight angle and leave a small hole at the edge so the distillate can be collected. ­— Again: Physics provides, money is mostly an illusion/labour optimization mechanism, and sheet metal might be convenient for this use case but literally everything is materials. … If your only thought on how to produce a technology yourself is “Who can I pay for this?”, then, yeah, you’re not thinking in the right lines to get there.


On another note, I like your username though. Did you know they do like pump jet lifting body action stuff in the air? Really cool.

FlyingSquid ,
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I do know that, yes. I love the fact that some squid can fly.

Gork ,

There’s always the world’s oldest profession…

Intralexical ,

Good luck convincing them when everyone is busy tending their crops to prepare for the winter.

Just sprinkle some bird poop or bat guano or whatever other nitrogen and phosphorus-rich gunk onto it when they aren’t looking.

tallwookie ,
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i guess that if we’re going to go the fantasy route, then I’d just steal everything I needed - the strong do as they please and the weak submit, after all. violence is the only language I’d need to speak

drathvedro ,

It is, but the ancient method is tedious as fuck. It was basically just pulling a piece through dozen of gradually smaller holes, by hand. I dont think you could do one pass extrusion without all of the precision machinery needed to manufacture such machine. But I aint a blacksmith, I just saw the process in some documentary a while ago.

redcalcium ,

Don’t forget it’ll need to be covered with an insulator, else your coils would short circuit and not producing any current. So you’ll need some chemistry to produce insulator thin enough to create your generator.

preciouspupp ,

No :)

PancakeLegend ,
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And don't forget that you need to demonstrate that it's producing a current. Just get a light bulb, right??

tallwookie ,
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probably go with a hand-crank zapper or something. it’s tricky to do much without resistors and capacitors.

atyaz ,

Zap the royalty to prove your point and get flayed and executed for it

Damage ,

If you can make a generator you can make a motor, just connect them together and have one move when you spin the other

Koala ,

The could do the same with a belt, go away with your flash nonsense youngling

Double_A ,
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Plating a metal object with a different metal would probably be the simplest, impressive thing. Or just heating a thin wire?

kmkz_ninja ,

Depends on if Ea-nasir was still in business.

frostwhitewolf ,

Probably easier to use a lemon and copper plates. Not sure what you’d connect to it though

Swedneck ,
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Use it for electroplating/etching, that’s cool as shit

Swedneck ,
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lodestones lol, people have known about those for aaaaaaaaaages

captainlezbian ,

Copper wire: yes. Magnets, get lodestones

pinkdrunkenelephants ,

You can literally mine lodestone and copper. Ancient people have mined those two things since antiquity. Where do you think it comes from now? Fairies?

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  • pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    You literally could just go dig some yourself while they’re away and procure it that way.

    cogman ,

    What do you think copper ore looks like? What tools would you use?

    Ancient mining was a punishment, generally a death sentence. It’s hard work often overseen by a slave master.

    Copper ore isn’t concentrated copper either a lot of ore goes into a little copper. There’s a reason only the really wealthy had copper items.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    Well, in this scenario we’d presumably have our electronic devices with us anyway, so it’s honestly a moot point.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    It’s amazing what some people here think would be such a simple task in the ancient world.

    Tavarin ,
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    Bring a live translation device, and program it with whatever the expected language is. That alone would be magic to them. And you don;t need to go to a copper mine, there were markets for processed copper. Pulling it into wire is just a case of roughly forming it into a cylinder, then pulling that cylinder through successively smaller holes. A local smith could help you with that.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    And then hope they don’t kill you for being a witch.

    Anticorp ,

    Magnets, how do they work?

    SineNomineAnonymous ,

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  • db2 ,

    You can induce voltage on more than just copper you know. Or maybe you don’t know. You probably don’t know.

    cogman ,

    Ever wonder why it goes bronze age and then iron age? It’s because it’s a minor miracle humanity discovered how to smelt iron. Iron requires temperatures higher than you can achieve with just wood. Iron absorbs carbon and sulfur making it worthless (in the wrong mixtures).

    The process is complex and resource intensive.

    Assuming a bronze age civilization, copper or tin is the best you can hope for. Finding a magnet is going to be difficult because there’s not really ferromagnetic materials available. In the modern era the most common material is iron.

    PonyDanza , in Oscar nominated

    This movie is a lot of fun! Low budget and intentionally campy comedy/satire in a way that feels more like a passion project by those involved than a soulless cheap cash grab like most Asylum movies with similar names. It’s gone over well with lots of laughs from most people I’ve shown it to, regardless of whether they usually like bad movies or not. So I feel pretty confident broadly recommending it to anyone at this point!

    Diprount_Tomato , in Geography test
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    Karakorum*

    FlyingSquid OP ,
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    Look, They Might Be Giants already covered this concept. We don’t need to do it twice.

    TheTick ,

    The Four Lads sang it in 1958, They Might Be Giants covered in 1990. That said, both versions are really fun.

    Ulaanbaatar was Örgöö, now it’s Ulaanbaatar not Örgöö. Been a long time gone is Örgöö. How did Örgöö get the works, that’s nobodies business but the Mongols.

    Doesn’t flow at all… awe well

    FlyingSquid OP ,
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    I actually knew about the Four Lads version, my mom had a 45 of it when I was a kid that she got when she was a teenager in the 50s. The TMBG album came out around the same time I found that 45, so it was a nice bit of serendipity. She also had another Four Lads 45 that had this really racist song where they were doing stereotypical Chinese accents, but the less said about that the better.

    realcaseyrollins , in Oscar nominated

    And Ninjas

    Hmm. Racial undertones?

    RagingNerdoholic , (edited ) in I'm over the Reddit posts / comments

    I’m mostly read-only on reddit via RSS on a few subs I follow. As loathe as I am to admit it, reddit still has a massive user base with a lot of active niche discussions that lemmy just can’t replicate yet.

    enthusiasticamoeba ,

    RSS

    Never thought about doing that, great idea, thanks!

    lightnsfw ,

    Honestly I’d still be on there if they weren’t trying to make it safe space for child molesters.

    RagingNerdoholic ,

    …say what now?

    lightnsfw ,

    If you say child molesters deserve to die on Reddit they will ban you.

    Zana , in Oscar nominated
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    H2207 ,
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    good bot

    Hazdaz , in incredible

    Someone posted this book the other day. I haven’t bought it yet so don’t know how good it really is, but I love the premise. Most of the revi9ews were positive:

    www.amazon.com/dp/0735220158/?coliid=I3TDLFW5C61V…

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9902d3f1-a9a4-4597-918a-9a651cb6ec8c.jpeg

    Holyhandgrenade ,
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    One of the newest Brandon Sanderson books “The Frugal Wizard’s Guide to Surviving Medieval England” has a similar premise. It’s a novel so not a how-to guide so to speak, but parts of it are an in-world manual on how to survive in a medieval alternate dimension.

    Hazdaz ,

    The premise has so much potential for entertainment. In some ways, one of the biggest game mechanics of Civilization (easily top 5 favorite games of all time for me) sort of relies on this idea - the tech tree. I haven’t pulled the trigger on this book yet, but I hope it is even 1/2 as entertaining as I envision. I might have to add the one you mentioned to my wishlist.

    PatFussy , in Research funded by Big Neck Pain

    You need to find the right pillow. This is important for good quality sleep. For instance I know that i need a thin pillow if I am on a soft bed but a thicker pillow if I am on a firm bed.

    kameecoding , in Touching grass is

    pitbulls when entering the dog park, or someone’s yard, or standing in their owner’s yard or the owners kid made a noise

    abbadon420 , in Hold up

    Yeah! Fuck apples! And pears too!

    solstice , in Research funded by Big Neck Pain

    I use small pillows, sort of like the end pillow on a sofa, about the size of a shoebox maybe. It’s all the support I really need and it’s small enough to be able to shift it around easily into whatever shape or position you need. Give that a shot.

    minorsecond , in Research funded by Big Neck Pain

    I got a buckwheat pillow and I’m never going back. It’s perfect.

    droans ,

    I had a buckwheat pillow but the zipper broke six months in.

    It’s not fun cleaning up all the little shells at three in the morning.

    minorsecond ,

    Yeah that would be horrible

    Lightning66 , in storage

    It might not be exactly 250gb.

    It could be lesser. And I won’t settle for that…

    fritter ,

    Hard drive capacity marketers have entered the chat

    justastranger , in Absolutely nothing of note happened in China in June 1989, right?

    That’s just a Tiananmen 2d circle with stretching though.

    SeatBeeSate , in You can't hear pict...

    Jamaica Ave.

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