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lemmy.world has bent the knee to corporations. Consolidated comments into body.

I don’t think this is EEE, I think this is a chance for meta to dominate the narrative by drowning us out with algorithmically curated censorship, distractions, hatred, outrage etc. I would join threads if I want threads, I would be on Reddit if I want corporate influence.

The mastodon post for the same server admins admitting to allow Meta thanks @BrikoX and @Melco

This is the post regarding an admin of fosstodon being offered a secret meeting under a non disclosure agreement

Thanks lunar for articulating my central point better than I could.

Most of my primary content was within the comment section scattered so I’ll try to put it up here and edit more as i go. I was worried I’d butcher things so I avoided updating my post. Ignore the mess

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EEE - I don’t want to talk specifically about this. Many others are, and you can talk with them about it.

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Privacy - My views on privacy is that lemmy is already fully public and facebook merging into it probably wont reduce your lemmy privacy in any meaningful way. Ignoring lemmy, your privacy is already fully breached in ways I’m not going to explain here.

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People keep making blind claims that facebook/meta can’t use their algorithms to interact with us, so i will explain. For the record I know most of this effects mastodon directly, and not so much lemmy.

Threads will be able to control what gets minimised and maximised based on whatever secret algorithms they use. These end results are known to people that want to know, it’s how our parents and grandparents, became increasingly detached from reality. If facebook/meta wants to censor their users, they will, if they want to promote hate against LGBTQs then they will. Those users will then interact with our users, slowly shifting our conversations and the overall culture of lemmy into the same cesspool that is facebook.

Secondly, the content of threads will be selected by a relatively massive userbase which will drown out our content if we stay federated. Of course that content will be optimised by their algorithm, thus influencing fediverse content.

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Now onto the principle matter. FACEBOOK IS EVIL, like genocidal evil, a propaganda arm of the empire evil. They have a heavily proven track record. “Wait and see”? There is no need to ignore facebook/metas criminal record.

The admins here should have clearly stated their intent but have been deafeningly silent. People are asking for clarification or in my case, acting because of a clear lack of action.

Other posts are talking about this and I will assume you have been reading them.

– pjhenry is a troll that ignores what people actually say, he focuses on his intentional misunderstandings and straw-men, just stop feeding the troll guys, he only wants to fight over nothing. He only acts in bad faith.

Patti_OChair ,

I understand both sides’ points. At the end of the day, it’s like going to your doctor. It’s a personal decision whether you stay and wait this out, or feel an “icky” ping in your gut-- a familiar feeling that doesn’t sit right with you. I’ve read these comments and it really all comes down to how and why you “internet.”

Personally, I’m getting the icky, oh-god-here-we-go feeling because I worry about privacy. I’ve tried to learn what all of this means. The conclusion I’ve come to is that I enjoy the 3D (4D?) world much more. I will always seek these communities for reading and info… but the reality seems to be: People want to connect online. I think I just want to use it to pay bills, look up movie times, and eff off. Signing onto anything requires a risk that I must evaluate-- at least until my hand is forced. Like with paying bills, looking up movie times, shopping and so on.

I share the concerns of OP, but I love what someone on this post said. Something close to: If you think corporate America isn’t coming for free space, you haven’t been on Earth very long… (sorry, person who said this. I’m butchering your comment).

If you’re getting the icky feeling, do something about it. I think we all are “internetting” for different reasons. We aren’t all just going to run away in protest. I may or may not stay, but I will continue to my best to find the quiet places. If it becomes too much, I’ll delete.

In a perfect world, it would be really nice to have a place online to be fun, free, and find reliable information in a quick and orderly fashion. So subscribing to the Fediverse means you will have to do some digging to find the communities you trust.

Emanresu OP ,

Yeah, I think the lack of announcement was why i made this post ultimately. I felt betrayed if they kept their views censored. I’m here because everywhere with close to uncensored(in regards to the evils in the world) speech gets compromised and I let me hopes get the better of me. I just wanna hear new ideas and talk with interesting people. I’d rather not have more standard corporate approved memes and repost bots etc. I don’t want to be in a meta tainted area.

Patti_OChair ,

Yeah. I totally get that. There’s the technical aspect of things, and the the ethical which carries a perceivable looming threat: “We’re coming for you.” I think people sense it, but are trying to play fair and ethical with a monster that has proven time-and-time again that it doesn’t give a shit about our wittle-bitty feewings. That’s the icky feeling I have at the moment. I understand your reason for sounding the alarm and appreciate that you’re sort of like ‘Holdup. Y’all seeing this?’ From there, I think the question becomes, how do we activate our inner Public Enemy and fight the power… or do we? Is it okay to just do us with the hopes of staying under the radar?

I like that you brought this up. Posts like this inspire important conversations that can (at the very least) inspire mods and creators to access the “how” and “why” of participating in the fediverse.

Emanresu OP ,

This was part of my plan all along! To raise awareness about what is happening so that others can do the right thing, or at least start thinking about it in a new way. I didn’t see many others talking about the narrative hijack stuff, so i took a bullet and gave it a go.

I think we all have different skills in this and need to find our easiest ways to personally do something. It’s a part of being in a community after all :). They want to control what we think about and talk about, so we can start by talking about what we aren’t meant to say, and my downvotes paint a clear picture lol. I even had a post mentioning facebook helping enable genocide removed by a mod.

We should make a big deal about the evils of Meta, especially how they control views to help promote genocide and how they are destroying our loved ones minds. @Lunar Said it perfectly. We need to spread that kind of sentiment until we have a better idea of what to do next. We can force them to not federate.

crashex ,

Very nicely put. I’ve used all this for deep reflection about my internetting as well and I don’t think I have come to terms with everywhere being ruined by corporate. It’s not like they don’t fuck us over as well in the real world and I now realize what kind of fight we’re in on- and offline. Don’t want to give up any bit of space to evil corporations. I think it’s easy to create really quiet Lemmy instances (or other social sites, federated or not) where one can rest from all those aggressive algorithms, and if I do it at some point I will make it very connected to real life and good for information gathering. Other than that, I like real life, I’m not interested in much virtual stuff.

Patti_OChair ,

Yes! Agreed. <3 I fundamentally don’t believe that the internet is here to eat humanity alive. Corporations and greed are (sadly) integrated in our daily living in a variety of ways. And while it is wise to keep an eye on what’s going on and vote and engage accordingly, the best we can do is find what is useful without abandoning or compromising our individual quiet spaces. If they took away my ability to delete my account, then we’d have a problem. As long as I have real life to participate in, I’m good. My whole world isn’t inside of my computer screen. :D

witwiz ,
@witwiz@kbin.social avatar

I believe the approach described in https://www.timothychambers.net/2023/07/03/instagram-threads-and.html is much more pragmatic than “Meta is bad, Threads will corrupt us” argument and I honestly believe that fighting among fedi instances would be the first win of EEE strategy. Meta IS bad, federation with Threads may be an opportunity, fighting before even watching and assessing the situation is wrong imho. “Watching Like a Hawk, with our Fingers Over the Block Button.”

Emanresu OP ,

We don’t have to wait and see? Meta has a proven history.

His write up doesn’t cover the issue my post is about, but it does cover a fair bit. I also worry about fracturing the community but see it properly. If everyone rejected meta or if everyone embraced meta, we would be an unfractured community. Unfortunately we aren’t fully one way or the other. The best part though is that we can split into different instances. My biggest issue is that to my knowledge, on lemmy.world there were no announcments stating intent, and to people like me that means pro-corporate and I need to leave. If they just announced I would have just slowly left without much fuss.

i do realise lemmy isn’t effected that badly compared to mastodon, but the basics still stand.

pjhenry1216 ,

Or you can just leave once you actually see what happens. You lose nothing. You're providing no actual problem posed by wait and see. If it isn't good and they defederate after Threads federates, there's very little difference to defederating beforehand. Certainly no permanent problems. I think most people are choosing not to stress and worry for literally no reason, especially when it may not come to pass.

Less stress in your life is better. Worry is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it won't get you anywhere.

tatertime ,

I feel like your post is low info outrage bait.i am no expert on all this but this seems dramatic.

Emanresu OP ,

I made the mistake of not just updating my post when I reply to people. My responses are scattered through the post. I encourage you to ctrl-f.

I was getting sidetracked, but thanks to your encouragement I updated the main post.

tatertime ,

Awesome! Thanks a lot for caring enough to do all this.

Emanresu OP ,

Thanks :) I should have done it sooner. It was a touch exhausting managing a dozen conversations at once. Have you seen my cute downvote collection? haha

comcreator ,

If anyone does decide to leave lemmy.world, do not leave the lemmyverse. Join another lemmy instance or start your own instance. Lemmy is the future. Free, open source, federated link aggregator.

mintiefresh ,

Yes. It’s nice to have choices.

I have multiple accounts and … So I am actually fine if Lemmy.world keeps Threads on. In fact I’d just be curious more than anything.

I can always just use my other account on another instance if things go bad.

pjhenry1216 ,

You don't need to stick with Lemmy. Kbin is just as good. I actually prefer it because they already solved the problem of allowing users to block domains.

comcreator ,

What is the difference between lemmy and kbin? Is Kbin PHP while lemmy is rust based?

pjhenry1216 ,

Honestly, I don't know much of the differences or if it's even simply which framework they used. It just seems to be two different link exchanges/sharing apps that are compatible with each other. Like, I'm currently on kbin but can see this just fine. I'm not sure what my instance's stance is currently, but there's no need to act beforehand as there's nothing lost by doing it afterward instead of before. I don't understand the people complaining that it needs to happen immediately right now. Just seems so impatient and entitled. Folks just need to calm down. They're pulling their hair out for no reason. No one has been able to articulate an actual real problem with wait and see. Just very vague "meta is obviously evil" kind of deal.

comcreator ,

I understand privacy being a concern but reddit, lemmy and kbin are not designed for privacy since all posts are public. I guess the upvote/downvotes could be more private perhaps which will protect what users voted on if a database leak occurred.

And E2EE messages are coming in the future I believe

kukkurovaca ,
@kukkurovaca@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I’m not on lemmy.world, but I’ve joined some communities that are. I think an important question is, for any community mods who take this stance, do you plan to shutter your lemmy.world community and move to another?

This situation is one reason why it’s important to get tools for community migration into Lemmy. (Another is: what if an admin simply has to shut down their instance for personal reasons?)

(Also FWIW there’s already reason to defederate based on the garbage moderation even if you’re not concerned about EEE, so I don’t get admins who are in “wait and see” mode.)

Emanresu OP ,

I didn’t think about this from a community owner pov. It would be pretty rough on them.

Meta is known to promote bad things. There is already enough evidence and a top level corporation should be seen as representative of all their holdings. Meta facilitates genocide… i should get some articles but I’m done for a while.

starlinguk ,
@starlinguk@kbin.social avatar

Meta literally posted pro Brexit propaganda courtesy of Cambridge Analytica on the night before the referendum. They're evil as hell.

Emanresu OP ,

Their bots are posting anti-threaxit content as we speak.

I keep forgetting that most people don’t get the censored info about how evil facebook/meta is. Its a huge list of items. I’m considering compiling it.

pjhenry1216 ,

You do realize algorithms won't apply to your instance, right? ActivityPub doesn't support the type of tech you're worried about.

I think many of the wait and see is due to not even knowing how well Threads will turn out. Threads may come out with some valuable creators. And if they implement the same capabilities as Mastodon, they can just limit Threads. People can see posts from those they specifically choose to follow on Threads, but nothing else.

You're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

ProfessorFlaw ,
@ProfessorFlaw@kbin.social avatar

Just defederate with meta?

pjhenry1216 ,

I think it's silly people are using arguments from pre-launch. If what I'm being told is true from what is being posted there, it's no doubt that it'll get defederated from most places fairly quickly. However, whether your instance federates with it or not will do nothing to address your concerns that are legitimate. You have nothing to fear from the algorithm or curation in any way. That won't affect you, federated or not. You also won't be drowned out either. That's not how federation works. Threads will dominate the narrative for a bit regardless of federation.

And your closing statement about "us" and "we" is culty and creepy. Don't speak for people you don't even know.

You want a server run by "one of you"? Run one yourself. You can do so for well under $100 a month (likely significantly lower depending on how snappy you want it).

I'm kind of tired of folks protesting against people hosting instances for others and entitled individuals making demands that they've done nothing to earn.

This has nothing to do with corporate. If you read what you linked, you'd know that full well. I'm guessing you didn't go more than that one link deep and didn't dive down to read the given reasons for the stance. Lazy.

Emanresu OP ,

I really wanted to reply to you but deleted half way in, sorry burning out. most people aren’t responding to what I’m actually saying, but just making massive assumptions half the time. For example I’m not talking about the API, EEE or privacy at all in the slightest.

Us and we can be used strangely by some, you might be reading into it a bit too much, but i also coulda phrased better. we/us as in the refugees of corporate bs from reddit.

pjhenry1216 ,

I replied to the points you literally put in your post. I don't know what you want. What points are you making then? What worry did I not address?

Emanresu OP ,

I really wanted to reply to you but deleted half way in, sorry burning out

I just want basic respect and for you to be literate. Go view lunars answer to see my central point. I’ve answered everything else you have said in other posts here. I’m not going to feed trolls any more.

pjhenry1216 ,

I find it hysterical you pointed out someone being abusive but you're absolutely a condescending asshole. Are you sure you even belong in this community? You're acting ridiculously shitty to people. You yourself are toxic. If you want to be logically consistent, you should delete your account. Don't be toxic.

JasSmith ,

This is so histrionic. The whole point of the fediverse is instances connecting. If you want a safe space go join a forum or something.

Pseu ,
@Pseu@kbin.social avatar

Then why is there the option of defederating at all?

Ignacio ,

Defederating must be based on facts and evidences, not on imagination.

Detry , (edited )
@Detry@kbin.social avatar

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Sentinian ,

I’d argue defederating can be based on whatever the hell the admins of the instance wants. That’s the freedom of the fediverse, instances are free to choose what they do and do not want. And you the user are free to choose the instance that aligns with your wants.

Ignacio ,

Obviously, we're only guests in the admin's house, as long as the admin wants us to be there. But during the time I was on Mastodon, I saw some (de)federation discussions, and the admins said that most of the time: facts, not assumptions.

Sentinian ,

My statement was more referring to the idea that defederating based on facts are not a definite rule. Ideally facts are used, but sometimes it won’t. Speculation is pretty fair considering prior facts in this scenario.

pjhenry1216 ,

No one is using any facts that actually makes sense. They just keep using scary corporate spooky words. Ignoring that the toot says they will defederate if there is reason to do so addresses the "speculation". It's simply a matter of whether the defederate now and risk being overzealous or defederate the next day after they see evidence. There's no real harm in making sure one isn't overreacting.

Sentinian ,

Embrace, extend, and extinguish is a real tatic used by big tech companies for years though. It is fair to assume this strategy will be in play, as times the FOSS community hasn’t things died as a result.

pjhenry1216 ,

You can't just keep saying it's a tactic without remotely arguing how it's even possible. Facts will help you. Spreading FUD with no understanding of how ActivityPub works doesn't help you.

Sentinian ,

You’re right, I don’t know how ActivityPub works. Perhaps explain to me how this tactic is impossible?

I can only base things off of my knowledge and from what I understand you can remove activitypub support just as (relatively) easily as you add it.

artifice ,

You’ve been very active in this post attacking users personally, but are unable to actually articulate anything of your own. Care to elaborate on how this is all a non issue, or your understanding of ActivityPub?

pjhenry1216 ,

ActivityPub works closer to an RSS feed, so it wouldn't be real-time like an algorithmic feed that updates constantly. When you post something via ActivityPub, it simply posts. Other servers will rank it based on the actual stats. So the best that can be done to try and force the algorithm on you without breaking spec too much (ie: doesn't change the spec, but uses it improperly) would be to post it with false statistics. It's pointless to do that though. So ultimately, the algorithm will have very little effect. In regards to EEE, I can't think of how it actually could do that, and I'm at a loss why I need to prove a negative. Anyone who is positing to will happen needs to back up their point of view with how.

And literally everything I've posted were my own thoughts. And yeah, I was abusive to the person who told me I was illiterate because I asked them to clarify an extremely vague FUD stance.

I just want people to articulate what the difference is between defederating now and defederating after seeing how it actually plays out. Literally no one has done that yet. Not one single person has been able to back up their point with an articulated answer beyond "but but meta is evil." Yeah, I agree. I don't have Instagram. I don't have Facebook. I don't have Threads. I don't even care if my instance defederates before or after either. I will care if they choose not too and federating causes the experience to degrade. But I don't need to worry about that right now. It costs a lot mental stress to be worrying about such a non-issue now when it's just as easy to take action when it comes time to cross that bridge.

Personally, I just really dislike how poorly so many people are using logic and that is what I'm more interested in. Unfortunately no one has shed any light that actually has evolved the topic beyond the same vague principle of "meta is bad." Hell, some are arguing entirely different points but the OP seems to be entirely in agreement even though the logical conclusion isn't remotely the same between the two.

I just want to know why there are users so actively trying to dismantle other instances. Like, is OP secretly a fan of Threads and is spouting this nonsense everywhere trying to get people to leave instances everywhere?

It's entirely not doing anything positive for the fediverse to be acting like many of the other folks in this thread.

The only group that benefits from posts like this is Threads.

artifice ,

Appreciate you taking the time to write that out. You make some good points. I’ve been no lifing this subject for the past couple of hours, and while I was definitely on the bandwagon that OP is, I’ve pretty much arrived at the same consensus. I feel it’s a wiser choice to wait and see, before going full scorched earth. Cheers.

SJ_Zero ,
@SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net avatar

Rather than make thread after thread after thread about it, just start an instance with blackjack and hookers and threads.net on your blocklist

tenth ,

While I agreed those who do not want federation with Threads should leave (me included), lemmy.world has not bent any knee. The admin is taking a wait and see approach, and willing to block if it turns out bad

stewie3128 ,

Embrace, extend, extinguish. This is what we must prevent.

Emanresu OP , (edited )

They will extinguish us by watering down our uniqueness and incorporate us into them regardless of if we are in a separate unique server like lemmy.world. In the end this instance will become intellectually homogenised with meta while foaming at the mouth with standard twitter/reddit/facebook level hate and outrage over dumb stuff.

pjhenry1216 ,

This is bullshit. Explain how it can even occur instead of just spreading FUD.

spiritusmaximus ,

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

pjhenry1216 ,

I've responded to this article multiple times. It's actually not that great an argument. XMPP would have suffered regardless of Google temporarily joining them. Google being compatible for a short time isn't why it failed and Google changing away wasn't to destroy XMPP. It was because Google was failing at chat too. It was lagging behind Apple's messenger and even for a short bit to BlackBerry messenger. That's why Google's history of chat is a big mess. It kept trying new things and failing. XMPP didn't die because of Google. It died because of competition.

GONADS125 ,

The long-standing history of Meta’s flagrant unethical practices is enough reason to block them preemptively. I’ll certainly be leaving lemmy.world, ending my donations to them, and moving my community to another instance if they federate with Threads.

mythos ,

Not saying meta isn’t evil…. but the whole point of the fediverse is that anyone can start a server. Meta isn’t going to be able to track you any better just thru federation, anyone can already scrape the data. People are too quick to defederate everything

Emanresu OP ,

you are replying to the wrong thread, try reading my post. See how I don’t care about your arguments(I care about your comments, just not the arguments themselves) and only care they they will control the narrative.

mythos ,

No meant to post here… I see you didn’t call it out but privacy is a big reason people are worried about threads. Just posting my opinion. Feeds and algorithms can be adjusted if threads is drowning others out. I don’t know how good or bad threads will be for the fediverse but I don’t think you do either. I’m fine with servers taking a wait and see approach and with servers banning. I’m worried about people being very reactionary and servers banning other servers that take a wait and see approach. That is the thing imo that could really kill the fediverse

Emanresu OP ,

Privacy is fully violated regardless of what happens here, but I can understand people worrying about it. You will find that it still leaks in and dominates us, remember they are a very large group compared to us. We will lose our soul in this exchange, although i agree that neither of us know how bad it is. Unfortunately I’ve been watching service after service get compromised so this isn’t new to me. I think they should all preemptively defederate with threads except for oddball servers which can if they want to, I think after we know how bad it is we should defederate with instances federated with threads.

mythos , (edited )

Also you are declaring lemmy.world is dead when afaik threads won’t even be federating with lemmy, they are just federating with mastodon

Aldursil ,

All this talk of Meta is histrionics at this point until we find out if they are going to federate. Wait and see then you can decide what to do.

Emanresu OP ,

I’ve edited the post to show the 4 day old toot I was referencing. We already know they will federate and we already know meta and generic big multinational corps are evil. We have all the evidence we need.

You were abusive with what you said, and just because you were lazy to fact check doesn’t meant I’m lying or the fact it isn’t known

YMS ,
@YMS@kbin.social avatar

In that very toot they literally say they will defederate as soon as there is any reason for it, and they will be watching for such reasons.

jerdle_lemmy ,

Mate, if the word “histrionics” is abusive, wait till you see the rest of the internet.

pjhenry1216 ,

The toot that was made before launch? That toot? The toot that referenced they have their finger over the button to defederate? That toot? The toot that you didn't bother actually reading?

Melco ,

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    BrikoX ,
    @BrikoX@vlemmy.net avatar

    vlemmy.net is great

    ray ,

    As I understand it, vlemmy's policy is to federate with everyone. I'm guessing they would probably be the last Lemmy instance to defederate from Threads.

    BrikoX ,
    @BrikoX@vlemmy.net avatar

    Their stance is here vlemmy.net/comment/639289

    throws_lemy ,
    @throws_lemy@lemmy.nz avatar

    lemmyverse.net

    morgan_423 ,
    @morgan_423@lemmy.world avatar

    Leaving this site as well, as it keeps a mention as to whether an instance is currently allowing open sign ups or not.

    Note: Even if an instance isn’t currently allowing open sign ups, they may have another sign up method going on in the background (like application/approval sign ups). If you’re interested in the instance, you should still check, just don’t expect quick/instant approval.

    BrikoX ,
    @BrikoX@vlemmy.net avatar

    Their stance if someone is interested mastodon.world/@mwadmin/110654590632768079

    They basically won’t do anything preemptively.

    wilberfan ,
    @wilberfan@lemmy.world avatar

    This seems to be the part that relatively few people have read.

    Emanresu OP ,

    I knew it existed but was an idiot for not having that in the original post >_>

    morgan_423 ,
    @morgan_423@lemmy.world avatar

    Hmmm… the admins said today on this post chain (at about 10a UTC) that they were going to making a blog post regarding this issue.

    So hopefully more clarification will be coming. At this point they’ve heard from enough users to know that there’s pointed disagreement with federating with Threads for more than a nanosecond after they become visible.

    gelberhut ,
    @gelberhut@feddit.de avatar
    1. Metas algorithmically curated feed happens only for threads users
    2. In few hours threads got much more users that lemmy has - meta do us in any ways - we are small group of people which will not consume meta ads/style
    3. What special Lemmy.world did in this context?
    Emanresu OP , (edited )
    1. itl be forced onto us by being federated, and if some block, the others that dont will be controlled by those posts and indirectly influence the rest of us.

    we are small group of people which will not consume meta ads/style

    1. The quote is what i mean, we wont want them so why do we want them?
    2. lemmy.world has been silent to us inside lemmy, and their mastodon instance said they are federating and will “see” if they should based on how meta behaves. As others have said, its like letting an arsonist into your house unsupervised hoping it wont happen again.

    edit: because i get doubles of the same comment from two accounts I’ll answer in here.

    The threads algorithm will maximise likes on things they wish maximised and minimise attention on things they want ignored etc. What threads likes most will spread most, through their app and through peoples actions, then that spread will reach federated and then indirectly federated sources. The important part is they dwarf our community size and tend to be very homogenised so for gain that i cant see, we lose our soul as a community. We may as well just delete here and make threads accounts. I’m here because the people are more unique and interesting, not as a generic chat room or social media account. Once we become what most of us don’t want, then why bother?

    Kara ,
    @Kara@kbin.social avatar

    That's not how it works. Threads using an algorithm does not force it onto any other platform.

    Caoldence222 ,

    It has an impact. If threads algorithm heavily promotes something inflammatory, and that thing gets a bunch of upvotes from threads users, said post will dominate our feeds too.

    pjhenry1216 ,

    That's not how it really works either. And again, if that becomes a problem due to them somehow breaking the spec, defederating when there is an actual problem is still viable and loses virtually nothing.

    Caoldence222 ,

    how is that not “how it works” exactly? I don’t care as much about the integrity of the spec, though ofc web standards are important, as I do about the integrity of independent communities.

    We don’t know what threads will do, but currently, federated instances do share up and downvotes, no? and that does affect the ranking of a post on all instances, not just the one where the up/downvotes were made.

    pjhenry1216 ,

    Also something else I just thought of. We need to keep in mind the algorithm is per user on Threads. They'd need to make it global to affect other instances. It defeats the purpose of their algorithm. They'd make it less valuable to themselves if they tried to inflict it elsewhere.

    gelberhut ,
    @gelberhut@feddit.de avatar

    I lost you. algorithmic “feed” is created by Threads for Threads users. As long as you personally do not subscribe to Threads “communitues” (or whatever it will be) you do not see there. Without Threads you can find an unpleasant context in Lemmy as well, if you search for it just or browse “all”. If you want instance admin decide for your what you allowed to see and protect you from everything what they thing is not nice - there are few.

    pjhenry1216 ,
    1. you don't understand ActivityPub. You're objectively wrong here.
    2. that there's any arguing shows your supposed objective stance is objectively wrong. Stop speaking for people you clearly don't. It's a sign of narcissistic behavior and entitlement.
    3. it's not like that at all. It betrays a lack of understanding of the platform you're using. Defederating even a day later would clean it up fairly quickly. There's virtually nothing lost if they defederate afterword. Your analogy is just so wrong on so many levels.

    And to address your supposed algorithm issue: ActivityPub doesn't work that way. It can't change a feed in realtime. It just publishes. And again. It won't affect you. Even if they hacked and broke the spec, all it would do is change what you see from Threads. Whoopity doo. Join a Kbin instance and just block it from your feed.

    jerdle_lemmy ,

    Lemmy.world isn’t preemptively defederating with Threads.

    pjhenry1216 ,

    The developers already said they plan on Threads being multi-instance. Preemptively doing anything is just stupid. It might not even do anything.

    Marxine ,
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    As much as I preemptively created an account on another server (as I prefer admins to have a decisive stance in regards to Meta and similar corporations), it’d be good to wait for lemmy.world admins official message on it before telling everyone to leave.

    But if they do “officially” bend the knee, yeah, it’s time to leave if you want to avoid Meta.

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