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Do you still write notes with pen and paper?

With so much note taking apps nowadays, I can’t understand why does anyone still write notes with pen and paper. You need to bring the notepad, book or that paper to retrieve that information, and most of the time you don’t have it in hand. While my phone almost always reachable and you carry when you go out. For those still like to do handwriting, there’s many app does that and they can even convert it to text notes.

So, if you still write notes with pen and paper, why?

Bitrot ,
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I remember it better when I write it out. Typing doesn’t do the same.

DrRatso ,

The reason is often that writing forces you to already process and abstract the information. Especially if you are taking notes real-time like in a lecture. You will naturally want to shorten the info to write less so you have to process and understand what is the important info, you have to take the info in context of previous knowledge etc. Typing is often much more mechanical, you just need to process the info as it is coming in and transform it into mechanical keypress.

I also remember something about handwriting processing being a nuanced and very separate process from typing, although I am not certain on this. There was also some stuff about reading your handwritten notes triggering memories better than typed notes.

triclops6 ,

Til, thanks!

For anything I’ll need to share or search, digital.

But for everything else, I remember it better if I commit handwriting to it, and I use fountain pens, it’s a nicer experience.

Your explanation make sense

DrRatso ,

Another option for consideration is a tablet with a pencil stylus and palm rejection (personally, iPad works great for me). It doesn’t feel as nice as pen and paper ofc, but it strikes a nice middle ground since notes are highly editable, organisable and digitally stored. OneNote, as much as I despise Microsoft is really good for this.

There are also options for handwriting to digital transformation though you basically have to use english and have good handwriting that the algorithm can understand otherwise you will end up having to edit a lot.

I like to have a small pocketbook for important notes I want on hand and quickly (basically personal pocket guidelines in my case for the ED and a separate one for EMS), but I prefer taking lecture and study notes on my iPad in handwriting. Although I am slowly trying to create a digital version of my notes in a personal wikipedia style using Obsidian.

Also, not writing with a fountain pen is a disservice to yourself if you handwrite a lot.

triclops6 ,

Fair points, thanks! I use a surface book, and one note is great

I do enjoy fountain pen writing though, so when searchability isn’t crucial, I stay analog

That said ive seen people with a Remarkable tablet who seem to love it

user224 ,
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For me it’s other way around. If I have to write I only focus on writing itself, and not the content. This also often causes me to accidentally repeat words, mix up letters, erase it, repeatedly end up writing the wrong letter because I need to speed up, then I have to leave out a section because I already forgot what I wanted to write.
And in the end I still can’t decipher quarter of my handwriting.

NENathaniel ,
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Nah, tablet and stylus

AlmightySnoo ,
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Since I got a Remarkable 2 tablet I don’t write on paper anymore. It’s still handwriting so it’s kind of the best of both worlds.

DagingAnalog ,

Yes, for recipe.

polskilumalo ,

Ah mama’s hand written recipes, they contain more than just her recipes…

The abused paper, the fading writing, her handwriting, the smell of cocoa powder in the paper…

From a simple recipe written down quickly, it turns into a cherished family heirloom.

IRQBreaker ,

I’m 53. Never got the hang of typing fast on the phone, so whenever I’m in a meeting and not having my laptop with me, it’s pen and paper for me. 🙃

polskilumalo ,

It also gets painful real quick, I find needing to type out long texts on a smartphone frustrating and I quickly get needlessly angry 😅

Hadriscus ,

I can’t rely on a piece of electronics that might run out of battery, bug out, etc. Note taking on paper is much faster, you can draw anything with any sort of layout, it’s completely free form. Of course it depends on your needs. I know I sketch down a lot because of my line of work, that may not be the case for everyone.

newIdentity ,

You know that tablets exist?

It’s way easier to lose a piece of paper than a backed up searchable note. Not a problem if you’re super organized but I’m not.

milicent_bystandr ,

Last time I upgraded my phone, I looked at getting a Samsung Note: I’ve wanted pen input on a phone for so long. Then I considered the extra weight and bulk, and the poor condition of the second hand one I was looking at, and decided I can just just use pen and paper.

I like to be able to scribble things on paper, though my handwriting is terrible. For anything to last long for me, I want it digital, but random thoughts, calculations and stuff, I like paper and pen.

polskilumalo ,

But have you considered the true reliability of paper? Really, even a tablet is a computer that can run out of battery, bug out, etc.

Paper not only has that, but it is also an art form in itself! Writing on a tablet, which can zoom in and out is for me much more awkward compared to the set dimensions of paper and the size of a nib. It also is something that has no feel to it, it’s glass.

No scratch, no feedback and most importantly no feel. Have you ever held high quality pull and pulp paper? In Polish it’s called “Papier czeprany” and I have. It’s like nothing else. Standard copy paper be damned, that thing is a joy to hold, write on and read off of.

Also, paper is different if you have different light. It really makes all the difference for me, and I love sitting under a warm light from a lamp and either writing with a pen or typing it out on a typewriter. Having light blasted onto my face by a screen annoys and tires me out a lot of the time.

It’s not just the practicality that can win out, even though paper does also win for me on that front, it has a charm to it if approached in a way different than just absolute practicality.

Steveanonymous ,
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At work I do that exclusively. It’s faster to make punch lists for jobsites that way

Lazylazycat ,
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Same, so much quicker to make handwritten notes at work. I also just want to give my hands and eyes a break from using my phone.

Steveanonymous ,
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Also I don’t have to contend with auto complete

Skyline ,

For those of you that do, join us at !fountainpens :)

polskilumalo ,

Ooooooh, that looks nice. I think I’ll join!

SeventyTwoTrillion ,
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Typing is better than writing in a solid 75% of cases in my opinion. I agree that you tend to remember things that you physically wrote down better than things you type, but that can be mitigated against if you’re in a situation where you need to remember things with strategies like spaced repetition.

In a lecture setting I would prefer to physically write things down, but you also have to be careful with this and only try and summarize because many people have the wrong strategy and try and transcribe slideshows or the lecturer’s words verbatim, get halfway through a sentence, the lecturer moves on to the next page, you then have to try and remember the rest, probably get bits wrong, and by the time you’ve finished that then they’re on to the next page and you’re just not having a great time. If you get good at typing then you can keep up much better but that’s still not the right thing to do in the lecture hall, unless your lecturer doesn’t give out the notes or slideshows afterwards or record the lectures. then you’re just kinda shit outta luck.

In just everyday settings, like writing a shopping list, keeping reminders? probably on my phone or laptop.

kowcop ,

I don’t think I have touched a pen for much other than signing my name since Covid hit

triclops6 ,

For anything I’ll need to share or search, digital.

Everything else, I remember it better if I commit handwriting to it, and I use fountain pens, it’s a nicer experience.

Zoldyck ,

Both, for different reasons. I use paper notes to stick them on my fridge so I won’t forget about them.

ShrimpsIsBugs ,

Yes, usually when in meetings. It’s 99% a society/conventional thing, but looking and typing on your phone while talking to someone will often be perceived as rude. Taking notes in your paper notebook though usually will come off as being attentive and interested.

DogMuffins ,

100% agreed, especially true with clients.

IDK why exactly but typing notes during a consult is impersonal.

I do consults with my notepad flat on the desk so clients can see what I’m writing. I often draw diagrams for them.

BURN ,

Always pen/paper

A note on my phone is about as useful as no note at all. The physical presence of the note is much more important.

DingDongBell ,

flowchart, brainstorming and drawing is always good with p&p

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